Update to the RayGuhn Case and New Arrests

[jimnally]

PENSACOLA, Fla. — Prosecutors have charged adult webmaster Ray Guhn with money laundering, adding to existing obscenity, racketeering and prostitution charges filed last year.
Kevin Patrick Stevens, Andrew Kevin Draft, William Lee Beach and Thomas W. Dwyer also have been charged in the case. Jane Marie Dreka is being sought by authorities for arrest.
Prosecutors also have dropped Guhn's charges in Escambia County, where the case has been ongoing for a year, and re-filed them in Santa Rosa County, an act that his attorney Lawrence Walters told XBIZ is likely an attempt at venue shopping.
"I can only imagine that the prosecutors are trying to obtain an advantage by moving to another county to get a more favorable jury or judge," Walters said. "We have been litigating for a year in Escambia and we don't think it's appropriate to start over."
Walters also said that the new money laundering charges are more serious than any of Guhn's others. He said Florida law states that if a person profits from the commission of any crime — including obscenity — then the government can claim money laundering is taking place.
"If all material is presumed to be protected by the constitution until declared illegal by the judge or jury, then how could my client have had any idea that there was any attempt to money launder?" Walters said.
Walters' next priority, he said, is to have the case transferred back to Escambia County. He said that the state constitution declares defendants have the right to choose which venue in which to be prosecuted, as long as it is available, and Escambia County clearly is available.
Walters said he has filed a motion to transfer and expects a hearing to be scheduled next month.
He said that there is no case law that recognizes that the government can add money laundering charges and move the trial location. Though it's unfortunate that the charges have reached this extent, he said, this case is becoming more important.
"It's another groundbreaking precedent issue that this case may actually resolve," Walters said.
Guhn, whose real name is Clinton McCowan, was arrested last year on charges of racketeering, engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material. The arrest culminated a months-long investigation into the operations of Guhn's company, Global Technologies Inc., doing business as Ray Guhn Productions. The website that he shot content for, CumOnHerFace.com, is part of the Cash Titans affiliate program, which he owned. Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar did not respond to an interview request by press time.

[TheEnforcer]

Dang.. they are trying everything they can to win this. Will be interesting to see it play out. Justice sure isn't swift now is it? Been almost a year and now they want to start over.. sheesh...

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by jimnally

PENSACOLA, Fla. — Prosecutors have charged adult webmaster Ray Guhn with money laundering, adding to existing obscenity, racketeering and prostitution charges filed last year.
Kevin Patrick Stevens, Andrew Kevin Draft, William Lee Beach and Thomas W. Dwyer also have been charged in the case. Jane Marie Dreka is being sought by authorities for arrest. Are these people in custody? or out on Bail?
Prosecutors also have dropped Guhn's charges in Escambia County, where the case has been ongoing for a year, and re-filed them in Santa Rosa County, an act that his attorney Lawrence Walters told XBIZ is likely an attempt at venue shopping. How does this effect the charges that vary from county to county? or is that not a factor anymore since its state now?
"I can only imagine that the prosecutors are trying to obtain an advantage by moving to another county to get a more favorable jury or judge," Walters said. "We have been litigating for a year in Escambia and we don't think it's appropriate to start over."
I would think Escambia regulations and laws are much stricter than Santa Rosa?

Walters also said that the new money laundering charges are more serious than any of Guhn's others. He said Florida law states that if a person profits from the commission of any crime — including obscenity — then the government can claim money laundering is taking place.
Well if thats the case, Then why isn't Smith & Wesson charged with a crime? I mean don't they profit when a wacko goes on a murder spree using above named weapon?
"If all material is presumed to be protected by the constitution until declared illegal by the judge or jury, then how could my client have had any idea that there was any attempt to money launder?" Walters said.
Walters' next priority, he said, is to have the case transferred back to Escambia County. He said that the state constitution declares defendants have the right to choose which venue in which to be prosecuted, as long as it is available, and Escambia County clearly is available.
Walters said he has filed a motion to transfer and expects a hearing to be scheduled next month.
He said that there is no case law that recognizes that the government can add money laundering charges and move the trial location. Though it's unfortunate that the charges have reached this extent, he said, this case is becoming more important.
"It's another groundbreaking precedent issue that this case may actually resolve," Walters said.
Guhn, whose real name is Clinton McCowan, was arrested last year on charges of racketeering, engaging in prostitution and the manufacture and sale of obscene material. The arrest culminated a months-long investigation into the operations of Guhn's company, Global Technologies Inc., doing business as Ray Guhn Productions. The website that he shot content for, CumOnHerFace.com, is part of the Cash Titans affiliate program, which he owned. Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar did not respond to an interview request by press time.

This case is gonna set a few standards for the adult industry from the looks of things.
I see them attempting to use this case to set an example to embed fear into future webmasters and sponsors in this industry
and most of you fuckers are just gonna sit back and watch? aint yas?

[Greg B]

Unless there's more to the charges than meets the eye, his lawyers can beat it.

They could push for a prostitution conviction which they can. That's about all of it.

The racketeering charges? Depends on the extent of his interests, connections and attitude. If he's an asshole, and there's no crime being an asshole, he can expect some fines and probation.

The fact the prosecutors are moving around the case is an indication of 'malice' to a degree. If I was his attorney I'd bring that up immediately and ask for the charges to be dismissed or civil charges will be filed. He only needs 51% in a civil case.

The prosecutors are after this guy for reasons we don't know about. Something he's been doing or perhaps someone whose been harmed and blame responsibility on this dude. Either way they're going dangerously, dangerously outside of their authority to convict another citizen. That's a Constitutional issue that requires immediate attention by the bench. We've seen recently the immeasurable damage done by overzealous prosecutors in the Duke rape case. That prosecutor Nifong, fucked up dozens of people's lives and placed his community in economic distress the likes we've not seen in years. Those falsely accused are suing for damages inflicted as their civil rights were violated to the worst degree. Entire families and friendships were destroyed by irresponsible prosecution.

If this guy being accused is a scumbag whose been circumventing the law to do harm, then more power to the prosecutors but they should nail him on something that merits it. Not 'ideals' and 'philosophies'.

[jimatcohf]

I thought id give a bit more information on the 3 other people arrested in this case

William Beach aka Old man, was a male actor on our site
Jane Dreka aka Sandra, was a female actress on our site
Tom Dwyer provided his house for shoot locations

All 3 now charged with racketeering, wonder how the other actors and actresses now feel about shooting content.

[Hammer]

I don't know how much you know about the case Greg, but it's hardly the slam dunk you think it is. I agree that the racketeering charges are ludicrous, but when you pay a bunch of girls to have sex with guys that you don't pay, it's pretty hard to call that anything but prostitution and since prostitution in Florida is illegal, they better hope Larry Walters is really worth his lofty price tag.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I don't know how much you know about the case Greg, but it's hardly the slam dunk you think it is. I agree that the racketeering charges are ludicrous, but when you pay a bunch of girls to have sex with guys that you don't pay, it's pretty hard to call that anything but prostitution and since prostitution in Florida is illegal, they better hope Larry Walters is really worth his lofty price tag.

You should always pay everyone. Even if it is a token dollar. What I want to know, did any girls get paid to have sex with guys at parties, not on tape?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

...What I want to know, did any girls get paid to have sex with guys at parties, not on tape?

Jim already answered that in a reply in another thread. see below...

Originally Posted by jimatcohf

We NEVER used a casting couch, private party, audition for Any model of cohf or any other site we produced.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Jim already answered that in a reply in another thread. see below...

[/quote]Participants received $300 for private parties that often served as an audition for film roles. [/quote]

I always give industry people the benefit of the doubt. Which I did in their case right from the get go. It was like pulling teeth for anyone to make the statement Jim did and it took months. He seems to have been caught up in a whirlwind created by a bunch of guys who partied till they dropped and made no provision for the consequences.
When I asked Walters after he posted on some board somewhere about this very thing he did not reply. He did however make his case and as such I felt should have answered the question. Jim is pleading legal strategy for his silence. But you can't have it both ways.
It was the continued dodging of this question that aroused my suspicion. I certainly don't support paying girls to party then claiming it is a porn business issue. If these parties are bogus confections of an overzealous prosecutor, then we owe them full support. If not, then I am iffy about the whole thing. BTW, this is not all based on what I have read. I have heard a few stories along the way before this bust.

[softball]

"Why does Larry walters not respond to you well lets think about this for a minute based on your attitude about this I wouldnt give you the time of day either "

And BTW, just because I question the veracity and/or the issues surrounding a case is no reason to accuse me of having some kind of attitude. I addressed the L Walters thing, but I suppose what makes me very suspicious is the downright bad attitude displayed by the participants when asked germane questions. Just because something is printed in the newspaper that you don't agree with does not make it incorrect. I worked in the news business for years and it is always the same old story. A litany of complaints of misunderstanding when an item is shall we say less than flattering. I am being kind here.
So as I said before, I was always quite willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but on second reading of the thread Toby quoted, I am still not convinced.....by either side.

[MaskTVMaura]

Although I know these guys are in trouble and now have lots of additional bullshit-morality charges being laid upon them, they should have crossed their t's and dotted their i's before shooting anything. They made the following two mistakes:

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)
-they mixed business with pleasure and instead of putting together a professional style shoot that is legit from start to finish, they decided to mix it in with a party atmosphere and hope for the best

Sure I have sympathy for those guys, but they were lazy, ignorant, and/or fools to try and shoot anything that wasn't completely legit from start to finish. As a producer myself, I know what it takes to ensure every scene is fully compliant with the laws of my jurisdiction before I even book the models. The fact that these guys chose to be less diligent is their problem and they will now face the consequences. Good luck to them all.

Up here in Vancouver where COHF is now shot by a Canadian team, although they still have that "party atmosphere" on set, they are actually shooting where it's LEGAL to do so, so there are no concerns about those kinds of charges being laid upon them. It's all the same shit, just in a LEGAL pile!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Although I know these guys are in trouble and now have lots of additional bullshit-morality charges being laid upon them, they should have crossed their t's and dotted their i's before shooting anything. They made the following two mistakes:

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)
-they mixed business with pleasure and instead of putting together a professional style shoot that is legit from start to finish, they decided to mix it in with a party atmosphere and hope for the best

Sure I have sympathy for those guys, but they were lazy, ignorant, and/or fools to try and shoot anything that wasn't completely legit from start to finish. As a producer myself, I know what it takes to ensure every scene is fully compliant with the laws of my jurisdiction before I even book the models. The fact that these guys chose to be less diligent is their problem and they will now face the consequences. Good luck to them all.

Up here in Vancouver where COHF is now shot by a Canadian team, although they still have that "party atmosphere" on set, they are actually shooting where it's LEGAL to do so, so there are no concerns about those kinds of charges being laid upon them. It's all the same shit, just in a LEGAL pile!

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

Dish dude. What's up with that? How bad is it?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Dish dude. What's up with that? How bad is it?

Lots of threads on lots of board saing cash titians owes several people money. They are jumping on Jim's dick when he is no longer involved and the site has been sold over a year ago.

[softball]

"The new owner of the company wants to remain anonymous. So he then enlisted the services for Rey Rey and Making Coin to run the program and produce the content."

There does seem to be a lot of dissatisfaction, I see, after doing a little research. Hmmmm

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

Yeah, like I have any clout with them! LOL Nah, those of us who do GOOD business tend to flock in one circle, while those that do BAD business flock in another... and even though we're in the same small porno town, we're still worlds apart!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Yeah, like I have any clout with them! LOL Nah, those of us who do GOOD business tend to flock in one circle, while those that do BAD business flock in another... and even though we're in the same small porno town, we're still worlds apart!

Wasnt your husband supposed to have met Jon to play golf when I was up there a couple of years ago?

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Wasnt your husband supposed to have met Jon to play golf when I was up there a couple of years ago?

Wrong person, G.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Wrong person, G.

My mistake and apologies.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

My mistake and apologies.

I guess your "long memory" is faulty on occasion.

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Wasnt your husband supposed to have met Jon to play golf when I was up there a couple of years ago?

Hello Gonzo. No worries on the mistaken identity -- unless you mistook me for an asshole! LOL No, I don't believe we've ever met in person.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)!

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

in other places than CA its gray but common sense should tell you, if where you think about shooting there is no porn to be bought.Thats a bad sign. Miami is considered the porn valley of the east coast. Score, bang bros shoot all the time and nothing happens.

[softball]

Common Sense seems like it was in very short supply. Why pull the tail of the tiger if you don't have to.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?

North Florida. Not the best place to shoot porn in Florida.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by tony404

in other places than CA its gray but common sense should tell you, if where you think about shooting there is no porn to be bought.Thats a bad sign. Miami is considered the porn valley of the east coast. Score, bang bros shoot all the time and nothing happens.

Last time I checked you could buy porn in North Florida, Pensacola in particular. All it takes is a trip to your local convenience store and you can purchase the same exact content you would find on any porn site. Gangbangs, facials, no different than what was on cohf's site. If you drive across town you can find more extreme fetish material at an adult bookstore that would make most blush. That to me throws the community standards argument out the window.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

My question is..why does it have to be safe in only one or two areas to shoot porn?? That's bullshit, we should have the same right to shoot porn in small town north Florida as we do in Miami. That is why this case is so important we eventually have to stand up and fight for our rights and win the right to shoot wherever or we can just lay down and allow the government to take over and eventually have control over what we watch on tv, the internet and the radio. Wake up guys they are not going to give up their quest for complete censorship. IMO

ally

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

we can only hope

[softball]

Originally Posted by jimnally

we can only hope

Jim, I kind of agree with you. But surely you must have had an inkling that what you were doing was dodgy. I feel for you guys, but you were rockin' and rollin' with no thought to the consequences and were "surprised" when the shit hit the fan. Hell any one of us could have told you you were skating on thin ice. Now reality has kicked you in the balls, which is no surprise, and you want all of us to support your cause and validate all the fun you had. I am sure you are old enough to have read the signs along the way, but found it very convenient to ignore them in pursuit of what? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by jimnally

Last time I checked you could buy porn in North Florida, Pensacola in particular. All it takes is a trip to your local convenience store and you can purchase the same exact content you would find on any porn site. Gangbangs, facials, no different than what was on cohf's site. If you drive across town you can find more extreme fetish material at an adult bookstore that would make most blush. That to me throws the community standards argument out the window.

Funny my friend who is from there told me what a very uptight place it is and considering they went after cohf,bang bros is fine and they have been featured all over the media but they are in miami.Makes you think pensacola isnt ideal. The first thing my lawyer said was they weren't busted for porn it was for pissing off the locals.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by tony404

Funny my friend who is from there told me what a very uptight place it is and considering they went after cohf,bang bros is fine and they have been featured all over the media but they are in miami.Makes you think pensacola isnt ideal. The first thing my lawyer said was they weren't busted for porn it was for pissing off the locals.

We have personally walked into several stores and have purchased numerous magazines from Hustler to Cheri. They have it all...If Pensacola is so uptight why do they have a strip club??

[Hammer]

Rhetorical, I'm not sure if you know this or not, but Jim was Ray Ghun's manager, he was not involved with producing the content. I think it's ridiculous that he was arrested in the first place but he's simply the one that is willing to talk publicly about it so he gets the brunt of the 'I told you so's', which really isn't fair.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Rhetorical, I'm not sure if you know this or not, but Jim was Ray Ghun's manager, he was not involved with producing the content. I think it's ridiculous that he was arrested in the first place but he's simply the one that is willing to talk publicly about it so he gets the brunt of the 'I told you so's', which really isn't fair.

You are right. Don't shoot the messenger. I certainly agree with that and my apologise to Jim. I think we should always support those who are busted unfairly and challenge the oppression of the whacko right. But I just don't blindly give support when I think something is not clear and the waters are muddy.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Jim, I kind of agree with you. But surely you must have had an inkling that what you were doing was dodgy. I feel for you guys, but you were rockin' and rollin' with no thought to the consequences and were "surprised" when the shit hit the fan. Hell any one of us could have told you you were skating on thin ice. Now reality has kicked you in the balls, which is no surprise, and you want all of us to support your cause and validate all the fun you had. I am sure you are old enough to have read the signs along the way, but found it very convenient to ignore them in pursuit of what? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

By the way...this is Ally posting the last couple of rants not Jim... Just thought I needed to clear that up...

[softball]

Originally Posted by jimnally

By the way...this is Ally posting the last couple of rants not Jim... Just thought I needed to clear that up...

Ally? Sorry, you have me at a disadvantage.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Ally? Sorry, you have me at a disadvantage.

really..a disadvantage...I like....

Actually, I am Jim's best half..My other profile here on Oprano is Hipchick. I was at Internext last summer, it seems we did not meet.

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

Oh, I had no idea that you were specifically trying to challenge the laws when you chose to film outside of the usual porn jurisdictions; I just thought you folks were careless and got caught with your pants down. So, what made you choose gang bangs to protest the laws when you could have tried something a little softer on the mainstream psyche such as solo girl or girl-girl scenes? And also, if you wanted to take on this huge US morality issue, why didn't you get a few more production companies on board with you beforehand?

I do believe that the laws should be changed and that consenting adults should be free to engage in whatever sexual activities they desire, including group sex, prostitution, nude dancing, BDSM, adult film production... and even monogamy if they're really kinky! LOL Although I think you chose a pretty difficult path to challenge US laws, I hope that you achieve your goals in the end. Good luck!

[softball]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Oh, I had no idea that you were specifically trying to challenge the laws when you chose to film outside of the usual porn jurisdictions; I just thought you folks were careless and got caught with your pants down. So, what made you choose gang bangs to protest the laws when you could have tried something a little softer on the mainstream psyche such as solo girl or girl-girl scenes? And also, if you wanted to take on this huge US morality issue, why didn't you get a few more production companies on board with you beforehand?

I do believe that the laws should be changed and that consenting adults should be free to engage in whatever sexual activities they desire, including group sex, prostitution, nude dancing, BDSM, adult film production... and even monogamy if they're really kinky! LOL Although I think you chose a pretty difficult path to challenge US laws, I hope that you achieve your goals in the end. Good luck!

Maura, they only think they live in a free country. Too many years of propaganda, I think. They actually believe it.

[softball]

Originally Posted by jimnally

really..a disadvantage...I like....

Actually, I am Jim's best half..My other profile here on Oprano is Hipchick. I was at Internext last summer, it seems we did not meet.

No we didn't. I have never been to an Internext.

[Hammer]

I'm unclear on why Jim is posting as jimnally now and why is wife is using his nick instead of her own. I, for one, like to know who I'm talking to.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I'm unclear on why Jim is posting as jimnally now and why is wife is using his nick instead of her own. I, for one, like to know who I'm talking to.

I think its Jim and Ally.

I thought it was some dumbass using a play off of my "christian name" that couldnt spell.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I'm unclear on why Jim is posting as jimnally now and why is wife is using his nick instead of her own. I, for one, like to know who I'm talking to.

I do understand the logic though.
Kinda like Darci becoming Kevins spokeswoman for a while.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I think its Jim and Ally.

I thought it was some dumbass using a play off of my "christian name" that couldnt spell.

I thought the same thing. But, as I keep saying, this whole thing is kind of murky.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I think its Jim and Ally.

I thought it was some dumbass using a play off of my "christian name" that couldnt spell.

Ah, I get it now too, but I thought the same thing you did.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I do understand the logic though.
Kinda like Darci becoming Kevins spokeswoman for a while.

look at the name..jimnally= jim-n-ally...two names there.. ..nothing murkey...both names on one profile...Jim uses it mainly but I had something to say and I spoke up..that is why I signed "ally" at then end of my post...