Google's Chrome browser screws you over with copyrights??

[TheEnforcer]

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09...me_eula_sucks/

Burned by ChromeYour copyright goes up in smoke
By Chris Mellor → More by this author
Published Wednesday 3rd September 2008 13:39 GMT

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Astute Reg readers have pointed out a Chrome condition of service that effectively lets Google use any of your copyrighted material posted to the web via Chrome without paying you a cent.

Here's the relevant section 11.1 of the Chrome EULA:

11. Content licence from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights that you already hold in Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

Granting Google 'a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content that you submit, post or display on or through' Chrome is coming it rich.

[RawAlex]

Reality is that the contract is between the end user and google, not the web site owner and google. Google cannot write terms that legally allow third parties to give rights that they don't already own.

I am suspecting this is a T&C copied from somewhere else and not completely modified to match up to Chrome.

[TheEnforcer]

There is actually a section in the article, it's only another couple of paragraphs more than what is posted that specifically addresses the third party issue and how google handles it in the EULA. They use the example of an employee uploading work material.

[RawAlex]

Again, who is using a browser to upload anything? How can Google gain rights to something that the end user isn't in a position to grant rights to in the first place? Word product wouldn't be owned by the user but in fact owned by who is paying it, so the user would not be in a position to grant any rights to Google. Thus, Google would be using stuff without rights.

It's sort of the youtube dilemma. They know they don't have the rights to 99.9% of it, but they try to pull the covers over themselves and blame the end user

[jdog]

Well would this mean anything like if a user goes to flickr and uploads a file through the browser? And would this be more like using Google Docs and or Picasa?

[Dravyk]

This was brought up elsewhere in mainstream a while back, not in connection with Chrome, but other Google Apps. Same EULA.

Basically it is for the ability of the search engine to cache pages and use translation software without anyone suing them.

Can it be used in more nefarious means? Sure. Will Google do that? Doubtful; they would lose more than they would ever gain.

Is it legal? Nope, as said here, it really has nothing to do with nothing, and they would lose. In short if the ACLU, EEC and FSC see no problem with it, no reason to be pro-active, then I am not going to worry about it. Cause they would be all over it if it meant something.)

[raymor]

Google already fixed that EULA, which was copied from one of their services,
hence the paragraph quoted talking about stuff posted to the SERVICE.
It was the same stuff used by a great many message boards and such services -
if you post something on Oprano, you're giving Oprano the right to display your
post and otherwise use it. Kind of makes sense. Oprano doesn't have that in
the terms when you register, but many boards do. That's all Google was doing
for the service from which they copied the EULA.


I posted a bunch of stuff to a board several years ago which did not have
that in the terms. Later, I went to refer back to some of my old posts. They
had started charging money for access to the forums, so I wasn't able to
see my own posts without paying. Since I hadn't agreed to a EULA that gave
them the right to sell my posts, I forced them to remove everything I had posted.

[miz_wright]

9.4 Other than the limited license set forth in Section 11, Google acknowledges and agrees that it obtains no right, title or interest from you (or your licensors) under these Terms in or to any Content that you submit, post, transmit or display on, or through, the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in that Content (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, you agree that you are responsible for protecting and enforcing those rights and that Google has no obligation to do so on your behalf.


11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.


11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.

So there's that too, in the EULA version I have, which seems much less dire than the edited version above with pertinant data redacted and in fact allows them to do what Google does: namely, provide a relevant and uselful search engine and deliver the content via those means and the browser created therein.

[Sexyteaser]

[RawAlex]

Actually, it brings up the only thing that I worry about in dealing with Google: The amount of data they collect.

For a company that says "do no evil" they sure do seem to check everyone's shit out real close.

[RawAlex]

As a side note, there are already 2 significant security holes and a number of minors ones being reported. The basics of Chrome is Safari (Webkit), and an older version at that. The older version has security issues.

Thus, chrome is not safe for surfing. park it and move on for now.

[Dravyk]

I think the above posted cartoon captures the true spirit of Google's 15-year ultimate plan, the things the browser, the apps, all of it has been slowly leading up to one inescapable conclusion ....



The Total Dominance and Conquest of the Adult Industry
as It's Sole Sponsor with 5,000 Niched Paysites!



It already has images.google.com as its free TGP .... It's own browser for hiding and tracking (you'll never lose your affiliate code link with it) .... Google Earth to tie it in and show where you live if you try to hack their adult sites .... It's own check out pay system to bypass using any third party processor .... Doesn't need hosting ... Other than buying up every adult content company in existance as it's final master stroke, it's all there, waiting, ready, for the world to see.









PS - They've already started by buying everyone out under a secret shadow company subsidiary known as "Dee Cash". Bwahahahahaha!

[RawAlex]

Had a special on tin foil this week and the Mini-mart?

[TheEnforcer]

Very enjoyable dicussion here. :>)))

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Had a special on tin foil this week and the Mini-mart?

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't chasing after you!

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't chasing after you!

the drive black cars with the lights off. Those helicopters are in stealth mode, using night vision. That guy sitting behind you at dinner drinking nothing but water isn't listening to your conversation, he is just there.

You are number 7.

[helix]

I just saw a silent black helicopter hovering over the back of my property. It had a google logo on it.

*never mind...it was the county sheriff, they found Jebus's dope crop.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

You are number 7.

Who's number one?

[RawAlex]

I am number 2.

[DannyCox]

....and the big plastic ball will get you if you try to escape!