Adultery is a punishable crime under military law?

[KRL]

Never knew that Adultery is considered a punishable crime in the military. They're using that charge to go after that Muslim chaplain down at the base where they're keeping the Al-Quaida followers in Cuba.

Ex-Muslim Chaplain at Guantanamo Charged

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - A Muslim chaplain accused of taking classified material from the U.S. prison for terrorist suspects in Cuba has been released, but now faces charges of adultery and storing pornography.

The new charges announced Tuesday included making a false statement, storing pornography on a government computer and having sexual relations outside marriage, a punishable offense under military law.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice classifies adultery as a punishable offense, U.S. Southern Command said.

The adultery allegedly occurred with an unspecified woman at Guantanamo and in Orlando, Fla., between July and September 2003, and the pornography was on his government-issued computer at the base in eastern Cuba, Duany told The Associated Press.

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Last edited by KRL at Nov 26 2003, 03:46 AM

[InXtacy]

Anything other than straight missionary sex is considered punishable under military law....which is kind of odd because the majority of the swingers i have met come from the military. Personally i think it's dumb and that the military should spend their efforts on something a little more important. I saw several people get busted for "sexual misconduct" (is there such a thing??) in the military. I'm just glad I wasn't one of them.

This Chaplain Yee at Guantanamo...I'm thinking the military is more concerned with the pornography stored on a government computer than they are the adultry. (According to an article I read at CNN). Actually, my own personal belief is that once they found out he was innocent of espionage, they had to find something else to bust him on to justify holding him in the first place. I'm sure they did some serious digging on him just to come up with these charges.

But then...that's just MHO.

[KRL]

Very true. If you check your server logs, there are lots of .mil surfers cruising porn.

[jimmyf]

They made some kind of deal with him. didn't have enough evidence 2 get him on the treason charge.

[Carrie]

Many *states* still have adultery as a punishable crime. They just never bother to prosecute for it, though.

[Wizzo]

There's lots of thing that are legal for us and illegal for the military... Plus UCMJ has the "catch alls":

933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Which means they can fry your ass for just about anything they want!

[TheEnforcer]

Oh yeah. You can get charged with all sorts of crimes when in the militarythat no prosecutor in their right mind would charge someone with in a civilian court. It'sd a part of being in the military in that you ou give up some of your rights/basic freedoms so you can have the priveledge of serving your country.

[davecummings]

YUP! As I recall, it's generally under the "Conduct not becoming of an officer" catch-all; one of the thoughts behind it is that someone doing something outside of marriage might also be susceptible to being bribed into providing classified info/materials/etc.

Dave
www.davecummings.com

[jimmyf]

I came within a hair of getting a court-martial when I was in Germany.

I was off post when everyone else was in the field, (they left me behind 2 work on some dead line Vehicles) except for one other person and he came back early. My future paltoon Sgt. I kind of ran into him with my VW bug head on. His wife went thru. the winshield. He was very upset. Out of all the people in that German town I had hit him.

[PornoDoggy]

the maximum sentence for adultery: confinement for one year, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and a dishonorable discharge. The maximum sentence for fraternization: confinement for two years, forfeiture of all pay and allowances and dismissal.

As the resident liberal, this may suprise some people - but I think there are damned good reasons for this. The military is not like the factory or the office. If Johnny is humping Janey, who is married to Freddy, you've got a morale problem - and it's very likely that it won't be limited to Johnny and Freddy.

Also, most cases don't get near the kind of punishment described above - those are the maximum penalties that can be imposed at Courts-Martial. The majority of cases are handled under Article 15 (Captain's Mast/Office Hours) of the UCMJ as administrative matters, with much less serious penalties.

There are fairly specific guidlines in the Manual for Courts Martial about what can be considered violations of Articles 133 & 134. It's not quite as discretionary as it sounds. That being said, it is most often used when they want to "get" somebody and can't find anything else.

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 26 2003, 09:46 AM
As the resident liberal, this may suprise some people - but I think there are damned good reasons for this. The military is not like the factory or the office. If Johnny is humping Janey, who is married to Freddy, you've got a morale problem - and it's very likely that it won't be limited to Johnny and Freddy.

As the resident liberal, don't you think you should have made that:

"If Johnny is humping Jeffrey, who is married to Freddy, you've got a morale problem - and it's very likely that it won't be limited to Johnny and Freddy."

[Mike AI]

There is a HUGE difference between espionage, spying on your country - an adultery. While there are good reason for the adultry laws for the military, it strikes me as fishy that they are going this route.

[Carrie]

I don't think there's such a huge difference.

If you could lie to your wife and cheat on her for nothing more than a bit of fresh pussy, what's to stop you from lying to your superiors and betraying your country for a stack of fresh money?

It sets the precedent that you are not to be trusted and can be "bought out" or "tempted away".

[KRL]

Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 26 2003, 11:17 AM
I don't think there's such a huge difference.

If you could lie to your wife and cheat on her for nothing more than a bit of fresh pussy, what's to stop you from lying to your superiors and betraying your country for a stack of fresh money?

It sets the precedent that you are not to be trusted and can be "bought out" or "tempted away".

That's an interesting point Carrie and you can see the logic behind it. If a man cheats on his wife, he'll probably be inclined to cheat on his country as well.

[Fletch XXX]

LIARS ARE EVERYWHERE.

[PornoDoggy]

As the resident liberal, don't you think you should have made that:

"If Johnny is humping Jeffrey, who is married to Freddy, you've got a morale problem - and it's very likely that it won't be limited to Johnny and Freddy."

Hey, soldier ... I didn't ask, so you don't have to tell.

Actually, I suppose that is just as true.

If you could lie to your wife and cheat on her for nothing more than a bit of fresh pussy, what's to stop you from lying to your superiors and betraying your country for a stack of fresh money?

I think that's a stretch and a half. You'd laugh your ass off - at least, I HOPE your ass off - if somebody suggested that a shoplifter is more inclinded to committ murder. I've heard that logic before in a discussion on the same issue. It was offered up by a Lieutenant Commander who was a pooh-bah of some sort in the LDS church. Of course, he also thought that drinking coffee was sinful. It reminds me of the old George Carlin routine about mother's milk leading to heroin addiction.

The facts don't support that premise - on any given military base on any given day there are all kinds of folks fucking all kinds of other folks who are married to persons other than the fuckers in question - but I guarantee you that the same sinful adulterers wouldn't dream of committing espionage. The arguement that an adulterer is more vulnerable to blackmail has more credibilty than this one.

[Peaches]

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