Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

You are already my bitch, punk.

Look inside a TCP packet. That is easy to do.

I have already made my point, you are just chattering on and on and on.

Point was and is: it is common knowledge that MAC address tracking is possible. That is how you were caught posting under another account.

How do you track it?

By looking inside a TCP packet. It's RIGHT in there! HAHAHAHAHA

All the other BS you tried to pile on to the discussion is just that. BS. Why don't companies use it? ETC ETC: IRRELEVANT to the point I made, and have proved.

That wasn't a hint, that was a direct answer. If you are not capable of understanding it, that's your problem Jack.

NOT giving you a freebie under the pretense of meeting your "challenges" or playing your little games. I could care less about that. I done know what I am talking about, whereas you are just putting on a clown show in an attempt to get out of having been caught posting under another account, which it was my intention to refute, and which I did. Plain and simple.

Anyone reading this who knows TCP/IP knows that the information I posted is accurate. And that's that. Go on, keep chattering.

[2MuchMark]

By looking inside a TCP packet. It's RIGHT in there! HAHAHAHAHA/

GOTCHA!!!!

So tell me, sir Genius,

Exact what MAC address does the TCP packet contain? The Mac address of the sender? The Mac address of the last hop? All of them? None of them?

You have just proven to EVERYONE that you don't know a fucking thing of what you're talking about.

You have failed to prove it to me, and failed to prove it to everyone else.

And I guess you don't want ASACP or FSC to have my $100.00 in your name.

I Win!

Look at my smiling face in my picture on the left. See that? That's me, Happy as shit. Don't you just wanna give me a kiss now?

Thank you and goodnight!

WOOHOO!!

Mark Prince

http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

I was completely disatisfied with 2much.net and you Mark Prince why would I continue to work on something destined to fail. Once again you have a huge failure rate with customers you have sold licenses not just me.

Here are a few

www.bkslive.com
www.primalsecrets.com
www.xxxstrippercams.com
www.southerngirlslive.com
www.icutoocams.com
www.orgasmwebkams.com
www.girlsgonecam.com
www.assworshippers.com
www.sexyteaser.com
www.sexyteaserguys.com
www.euroticalive.com
www.livemodelnetwork.com
www.365livecam.com

Right now you have one girl online and no one in paid chat - so why don't you go back to work.

I think that deservers more emphasis so you all can understand why Mark is so furious.

Here let me add a few

www.livehotcamz.com
www.cambabez.com
www.easycyberdate.com
www.livemuscleshow.com
www.livesexydolls.com
www.livebabes.com

So were all these webmasters and clients of 2much.net as bad as me. Do you just have the best luck picking people who will fail on 2Much.net's platform.

I came to you to do a coaching site - completely non-adult. I went in this direction for reasons and my success and failure should not quite be measured in the first 9 months...

Let's look at your site 9 months later....
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://livecamnetwork.com

Boy 10 years at this and you only got 1 girl online.. Maybe you should be out recruiting. at least I had some talent wanting to work on a new site in a saturated market muscles or not.

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by moetheman

I done brought it the fuck on, and owned your ass.

If your networking gurus can't figure out how to look inside a TCP packet, they are not worthy of the title.

I posted the answer, the rest is up to you. If you can't obtain the information based on that, you are even dumber than what you have shown yourself

What you say is right about TCP packets within a LAN but NOT on the WAN side, where the packets carry only the MAC address of the closest router.

Originally Posted by moetheman

I replied to all your inane imbecilities, and I see what you are doing, another conman trick: keep replying in total disregard of what has been said, so as to "bury" what others have previously stated, for the benefit of future readers of the thread.

Talk about projection, yet in between all the insults and name calling you have only said you answered... without answering... amazing.

You have really changed your posting style with all this "bitch" and "yo" shit lol since the days when you were out protecting women's honour from perceived verbal attacks.

I guess the gentleman thing was too faggy....

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Make it $1,000 USD to the Free Software Foundation and I will post a breakdown of how you can obtain a MAC address from a TCP packet.

As to how to obtain YOURS RIGHT NOW, that would entail breaking the law. I don't do that shit.

And then again, once again, the context being discussed was a WEB APPLICATION AND A CLIENT.

You know, I think you really are convinced that it cannot be done. Amazing. I figured you were just being your jackass self, but it seems as though you are convinced that it cannot be done.

If $1,000 is too much, ok, make it more than $100. To the Free Software Foundation. Straight up do that and I will post a breakdown of how to accomplish this.

As to having bigger balls than me, you wish, however, I can see that you are claiming that you will put your money where your mouth is at. Fair enough. More than 100 and to the Free Software Foundation.

I await your reply.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

What you say is right about TCP packets within a LAN but NOT on the WAN side, where the packets carry only the MAC address of the closest router.



Talk about projection, yet in between all the insults and name calling you have only said you answered... without answering... amazing.

You have really changed your posting style with all this "bitch" and "yo" shit lol since the days when you were out protecting women's honour from perceived verbal attacks.

I guess the gentleman thing was too faggy....

WAN, BAN, LAN Thank you MAM or you all just still trying to cover your ass for coming on here as "Soundslikebullshit?"

Get a clue we know it's you however do you want some milk with those cookies?

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

What you say is right about TCP packets within a LAN but NOT on the WAN side, where the packets carry only the MAC address of the closest router.

No, the packet contains the MAC address of both the sending and receiving computer.

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

Talk about projection, yet in between all the insults and name calling you have only said you answered... without answering... amazing.

Oh, I am sorry I didn't break it down enough for you. But I answered.

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

You have really changed your posting style with all this "bitch" and "yo" shit lol since the days when you were out protecting women's honour from perceived verbal attacks.

I guess the gentleman thing was too faggy....

I have changed my posting style??????

Please elaborate.

[2MuchMark]

As to how to obtain YOURS RIGHT NOW, that would entail breaking the law. I don't do that shit.

No its not breaking the law, because I am giving you permission right here to do it. Stop lying. And are you implying (or outright saying) that GONZO broke the law when he obtained someone's Mac Address? (You're slipping, dude!)

And then again, once again, the context being discussed was a WEB APPLICATION AND A CLIENT.

What? Now you're changing your tune!! Read my posts, asswipe! I said the only way you could obtain a Mac address from another machine would be to have a program installed on that machine which obtains and then posts the MAC address back to you. Are you now implying that Gonzo has SPYWARE on Oprano?

(No, he doesn't. The only way to do what you said is via an executable (or .msi file) that runs as an application on a windows machine. Jesus fucking H christ dude..)

If $1,000 is too much, ok, make it more than $100. To the Free Software Foundation. Straight up do that and I will post a breakdown of how to accomplish this.

Who the fuck is the Free Software Foundation? And how the fuck would it help ANYONE here in adult?

No way jackass. If I'm going to learn a $100.00 lesson from you I an going to pay to either ASACP or FSC since I beleive that they both help the Adult community. If you have another foundation that helps Adult then I will consider it.

You have 10 Minutes left, brainiac.

7....6....5...4...3..2..1..... MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF! (or me!) GO!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

WAN, BAN, LAN Thank you MAM or you all just still trying to cover your ass for coming on here as "Soundslikebullshit?"

Get a clue we know it's you however do you want some milk with those cookies?

Shit!

Shellee.... baby... please.... I am SO SORRY.....

I completely forgot that you are an EX MICROSOFT NETWORK ENGINEER GURU AND PERSONAL ADVISOR TO MR. GATES HIMSELF.

Can you perhaps tell us if its possible to obtain a MAC address of a PC without a client or web application running on that target machine?

And if you can't, maybe you can tippy-toe over to Steve Job's house next door and ask him?

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by moetheman

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

NOTE: I posted this on the previous page, but I don't think anyone saw it

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.

[gonzo]

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

WAN, BAN, LAN Thank you MAM or you all just still trying to cover your ass for coming on here as "Soundslikebullshit?"

As I recall Shellee, you encouraged a little Troll of yours to log in under a fake name just to lend support to you as you lost another argument and stir shit up for you on a board a few months ago, under the name of "XXXPornGuy"? This is starting to seem like your work all over again. VERY Internesting....

m

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No its not breaking the law, because I am giving you permission right here to do it. Stop lying. And are you implying (or outright saying) that GONZO broke the law when he obtained someone's Mac Address? (You're slipping, dude!)

I would have to break in, and you posting on a thread is not enough permission. Also, I don't break into systems.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

What? Now you're changing your tune!! Read my posts, asswipe! I said the only way you could obtain a Mac address from another machine would be to have a program installed on that machine which obtains and then posts the MAC address back to you. Are you now implying that Gonzo has SPYWARE on Oprano?

(No, he doesn't. The only way to do what you said is via an executable (or .msi file) that runs as an application on a windows machine. Jesus fucking H christ dude..)

Changing my tune? PLEASE. The original context was a web app and client. You turned that into "get mine right now" (like a 14 year old). I stated that you can get it from a TCP packet. There are many ways to look inside a TCP packet. No one was talking about spyware, you FUCKING IDIOT.
There are many ways to look inside a TCP packet. What is known as "spyware" (I know you don't even know the actual definition of it) CAN be ONE of the methods used to obtain this information.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Who the fuck is the Free Software Foundation? And how the fuck would it help ANYONE here in adult?

The person who started that is directly responsible for the creation of the operating system that most of the world's websites RUN on YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No way jackass. If I'm going to learn a $100.00 lesson from you I an going to pay to either ASACP or FSC since I beleive that they both help the Adult community. If you have another foundation that helps Adult then I will consider it.

You have 10 Minutes left, brainiac.

7....6....5...4...3..2..1..... MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF! (or me!) GO!

Free Software Foundation.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

NOTE: I posted this on the previous page, but I don't think anyone saw it

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.

Hi Danny,

I saw it... and you're right. MAC addresses are undiscoverable outside of a LAN unless something is being used to broadcast it.

Mark

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Shit!

Shellee.... baby... please.... I am SO SORRY.....

I completely forgot that you are an EX MICROSOFT NETWORK ENGINEER GURU AND PERSONAL ADVISOR TO MR. GATES HIMSELF.

Can you perhaps tell us if its possible to obtain a MAC address of a PC without a client or web application running on that target machine?

And if you can't, maybe you can tippy-toe over to Steve Job's house next door and ask him?

I prefer to eat cookies.

If you had been that smart you would have used a different network card not just a different IP when you logged in as "Soundslikebullshit."

[2MuchMark]

Here ye, here ye (oops sorry, only Shellee talks like that).

It is now 6:00, and Moeman has failed me. He has failed himself and everyone else here too.

I'm sorry, Moeman. It looks like you don't get that networking job after all. I hear McDonalds is hiring someone to clean the shitters at night, though.

What I may do is give the $100.00 to ASACP anyway, but under my own name, or Danny's, or hell, maybe even under Oprano's name.

Then again, there's a pub down the street with a fucking delicious pitcher of beer just waiting for me...

Ah well, we'll see.

Shellee: Cookies? Hmm.. better lay off them a little, if ya know what I mean.


Goodnight everyone! (And thanks for visiting Oprano.com)

I'm television'ss Mark "Nobody's bitch" Prince.
Add video chat to YOUR website! http://www.2Much.net
Send traffic to girls who convert! http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

WE LOVE YOU ALL!

[Sexyteaser]

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

[2MuchMark]

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by moetheman

No, the packet contains the MAC address of both the sending and receiving computer.

That's the case only within a local netowrk or a P2P connection.

I did what you said and ran a search. Didn't take long.

TCP/IP packets only need or use your MAC address within a LAN, or on a P2P connection. They keep a full ARP Table on local networks, but those sent out over WAN connections use only the MAC address of the last and next router; they don't need the MAC on your network card and they don't carry the MAC address of your router beyond the next router to destination.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Wow things are improving 3 girls online and no one in paid chat.... And your going to have a beer.... try recruiting.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

Here ya go, Shellee:
http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/faqs.htm. Scroll down to the bottom and it says:

"Why cannot I get MAC address of remote computer?
If the computer is out of LAN and the computer is not windows platform and without install NetBIOS protocol in network property, you cannot get mac address of this computer remotely."

When digging to find out if it was possible to grab MAC addresses or not, I found this program and this site, and then saw this line.

If anyone wants to, try running that program and entering our IP Address:205.150.5.126. You will see that it does not work because our computers are outside of "Your" lan.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[CouchSitter]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Hey Mark I just got in here its nice to see you're remaining true to form with those whom disagree with you ...

Very nice work ...

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

That's to find the MAC addresses of devices on your local network, and seems to be directed at network administrators who need to monitor larger networks and subnets.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Wow things are improving 3 girls online and no one in paid chat.... And your going to have a beer.... try recruiting.

Hi Shellee,

Things are quite well, thanks. I'm sure you know what this is:


Actually, we'll go have dinner with Michel (but we promise not to talk about you). The studios are running just fine. Now just run along and go play, or even better, hang out at LiveCamNetwork.com and see how this business works.

MUAH!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

That's just for a LAN. I can get the same information by logging into my router. I still don't believe you can get a MAC address remotely. I may be wrong as I am nowhere near a Network guy, but from what I have read, that is just something used locally to a network.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Shellee,

Things are quite well, thanks. I'm sure you know what this is:


Actually, we'll go have dinner with Michel (but we promise not to talk about you). The studios are running just fine. Now just run along and go play, or even better, hang out at LiveCamNetwork.com and see how this business works.

MUAH!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Hey Couchsitter - does that look familiar isn't it one of those 2much.net accounting statements with the funny math - you know where 2+2 = 10 and we have to wait a week for Sue to fix it?

[Sexyteaser]

Well Mark 3 girls online and FINALLY one in paid chat - it's time for that beer. It took what 8 hours or so to get one of your girls in paid chat today.

Anyone else want to take advice from the gurus of cam sites Mark Prince and Greg Jones on running and marketing a chat site?

Yes I failed but I wasn't at this for 10 years and coming across like an expert while my site was looking so dismal.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Danny,

I saw it... and you're right. MAC addresses are undiscoverable outside of a LAN unless something is being used to broadcast it.

Mark

Hahaha

If you had paid the FSF, I would have given you a breakdown, but since you are such a cheap little ignorant fuck, I will give you a bigger freebie:

A PACKET SNIFFER CAN BE USED TO OBTAIN THE MAC ADDRESS FROM A TCP PACKET. IT WILL BE ON THE SECOND LINE TITLED "LINK" (WHICH GIVES YOU INFORMATION ABOUT LAYER 2) WHICH INCLUDES THE MAC ADDRESSES OF THE SENDING AND RECEIVING COMPUTER.

I know that you don't know what a packet sniffer is, and you are obviously confused about what can be done with it, or what is or isn't done with it, and you see it from a 14 year old point of view, and "challenge" others to do "cool" and "wow" stuff with it. Matter of fact is, by using a packet sniffer in certain ways, along with other software, you can obtain this information. The rest of your attempts at deflecting the focus from you being caught by Gonzo posting under another account are just that, pathetic attempts to wiggle out of being caught. Examples of that are "challenging" me to "get" your MAC address.

Anyone can see right through you.

How pathetic, attempting to turn this into some kind of "pride" and "authority" charade, where I am supposed to "impress" you and your sidekick, when in fact, quantifiable information is being discussed.

Now, I just told you how to get that info from a TCP packet, do I need to break it down for you even MORE?

If so, I won't do it . . . your games are ridiculous.

Now, try to refute that the MAC address can be obtained from a TCP packet using a packet sniffer.

Do it. Make more of an ass out of yourself.

[Hammer]

I like pie.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I like pie.

Hammer your back..... I got two black eyes a broken rib and a bruised kidney so don't make me re-live it with telling me how big of an idiot I am... Why didn't you just invite me over to the newbies section?

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Here ye, here ye (oops sorry, only Shellee talks like that).

It is now 6:00, and Moeman has failed me. He has failed himself and everyone else here too.

I'm sorry, Moeman. It looks like you don't get that networking job after all. I hear McDonalds is hiring someone to clean the shitters at night, though.

What I may do is give the $100.00 to ASACP anyway, but under my own name, or Danny's, or hell, maybe even under Oprano's name.

Then again, there's a pub down the street with a fucking delicious pitcher of beer just waiting for me...

Ah well, we'll see.

Shellee: Cookies? Hmm.. better lay off them a little, if ya know what I mean.


Goodnight everyone! (And thanks for visiting Oprano.com)

I'm television'ss Mark "Nobody's bitch" Prince.
WE LOVE YOU ALL!

Nice try. You have been proven to be an idiot.

The slew of hypothetical scenarios you brought into the discussion to muddle up the initial point are meaningless.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Good luck trying to drink your problems away.

I have news for you: you've seen nothing yet.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

That's the case only within a local netowrk or a P2P connection.

I did what you said and ran a search. Didn't take long.

TCP/IP packets only need or use your MAC address within a LAN, or on a P2P connection. They keep a full ARP Table on local networks, but those sent out over WAN connections use only the MAC address of the last and next router; they don't need the MAC on your network card and they don't carry the MAC address of your router beyond the next router to destination.

Much as I dislike your innuendo, you at least have been ATTEMPTING to discuss facts.

I will say this: you are assuming that the only way to obtain the MAC addy of the computer that the user is on is by looking at JUST the TCP packets that reach the server (the "last leg" of the trip, so to speak).
That is not so.
The simple fact that the information is contained within TCP packets is enough for anyone with a bit of knowledge and half a brain to realize that the originating computer's MAC address can be eventually obtained after it has connected to a server on the WAN.

Which has been the point all along.

I am not going to break it down for you all any further. I am amazed that it appears as though you two TRULY CANNOT obtain this information on your own.

And guess what? I AM NOT EVEN INTO NETWORKING THAT MUCH AT ALL AND I KNOW THIS!!!!!!

Goes to show.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Hammer your back..... I got two black eyes a broken rib and a bruised kidney so don't make me re-live it with telling me how big of an idiot I am... Why didn't you just invite me over to the newbies section?

How'd you do that?

Look, sometimes we all tend to post things we don't mean and I'm sure you're not an idiot. I apologize for calling you one. I still don't think it's a good idea to post home addresses on an adult forum, especially for a woman. One of the major complaints many solo models had concerning the changes to 2257 was the fact that they'd have to post their home address as the custodian of records and they were worried about stalkers.

I also had a problem with your cavalier attitude over the child references in your code when it was pointed out to you. I realize the way it was brought to your attention and the fact that it was done so by someone with a fake nick wasn't the optimal way of doing so but it was still something that IMO should have been addressed immediately.

The newbies section doesn't seem to be very popular here on Oprano and even though I'm the moderator I must admit I rarely remember to check it out.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Hammer

How'd you do that?

Look, sometimes we all tend to post things we don't mean and I'm sure you're not an idiot. I apologize for calling you one. I still don't think it's a good idea to post home addresses on an adult forum, especially for a woman. One of the major complaints many solo models had concerning the changes to 2257 was the fact that they'd have to post their home address as the custodian of records and they were worried about stalkers.

I also had a problem with your cavalier attitude over the child references in your code when it was pointed out to you. I realize the way it was brought to your attention and the fact that it was done so by someone with a fake nick wasn't the optimal way of doing so but it was still something that IMO should have been addressed immediately.

The newbies section doesn't seem to be very popular here on Oprano and even though I'm the moderator I must admit I rarely remember to check it out.

I did not mean to sound or look cavalier but I did. I was actually freaking out and wanted to make sure some important people viewed it and took notice that the incinuations of the links to cp were false. This took some time I had to cover all my bases with the accusations so outrageous.

Once that was accomplished I made the documentation and changes as not to seem like I was hiding something.

I would not be lucky to have a stalker but I'm definitely not fun to stalk it would wear someone out following me around. My name, address, phone and a ton of other information is out there all over the place and I have been around dangerous people volunteering - I checked in a level 3 sex offender to a shelter who shot and killed his girlfriend in front of a pact house last year so it isn't like I have not seen some bad stuff or have been pretty scared at times - gone into some rough neighborhoods in the middle of the night to respond with Disaster Relief.

Don't give up on me yet - I really have some good ideas and they all will take some time to fully develop. I think most of the mentors I have in this business have a Mark Prince type story and spent a lot of money on attorney's regretfully.

Keep looking out for my work and give me some good criticism I respect and appreciate the opinions of those that really want to help.

Thank you for your concern and it's a little late to take it back... whats done is done.

[bluemoney]

I'm Dick Fitzwell from Cumming Georgia

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Hey Couchsitter - does that look familiar isn't it one of those 2much.net accounting statements with the funny math - you know where 2+2 = 10 and we have to wait a week for Sue to fix it?

Hi Shellee,

I'm sorry if you never learned even basic math in school. I guess you just never needed it living off of your hubby's success. Must suck to forever be in someone's shadow, no? Oh well. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you can be an expert tupperware party planner.

[2MuchMark]

[quote=Shelleehale;808763]Well Mark 3 girls online and FINALLY one in paid chat -[quote]

Here you go, Shellee:

This screenshot is just like yesterdays, and just like the day before. Damn these girls are popular. If only you had girls like this on your site instead of that fat fuck prostitute of yours.




Oh but wait!!! I totally forgot!! You were the fucking EXPERT who told me that Guys don't care about looks - and we don't care about personality. All that we care about is a fucking gaping CUNT on screen and MEN will pay $5.00 a minute to see one!!

Genius, Shelee Hale, pure Genius.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Shellee,

I'm sorry if you never learned even basic math in school. I guess you just never needed it living off of your hubby's success. Must suck to forever be in someone's shadow, no? Oh well. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you can be an expert tupperware party planner.

Even if that was true it would be better than borrowing money from your girlfriend Tracy to keep your Company out of bankruptcy.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Hahaha


I know that you don't know what a packet sniffer is,

Wow, you sure owned me. You're right about everything.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE: IF YOU NEED AN EXPERT NETWORKING / SECURITY GURU, PLEASE CONTACT MOETHEMAN!! HE REALLY KNOWS HIS STUFF!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Even if that was true it would be better than borrowing money from your girlfriend Tracy to keep your Company out of bankruptcy.

Hahahahaha... yep! Got me.

[gonzo]

Damn all this talk about gaping cunts.

Im gettng thristy again.

Did yall keep at this the entire time?

[helix]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

Thanks, and a happy one to you as well. I raise one in honor of our heritage. I even used a green theme on my new webcam blog tonight

[Sexyteaser]

Well you must be really busy manipulating things to try and look good on here - this is the screen shot I took a short while ago. Let's see we are bragging about the 5 girls online? You go!

[2MuchMark]

Hi Everyone -

I have an idea.... here me out.

It's very clear here that some people don't like each other. Thats a given. It's also clear that alot of people have alot of strong opinions and even some good ideas.

Shellee, I don't like you because I consider you a bragger who insists on giving people advice even though you have no experience. It doesn't mean that your advice is not good, it means that your advice may not necessary have as much value as you think it does.

You don't like me because you think that our program doesn't work. You blame us for the failure of the 2 chat sites you had with us. I disagree, but your belief is your belief, and that's fine. It's yours, and I won't try to change your mind anymore.

Moeman, well, um, sorry. I have nothing to say to you dude, sorry. You were just mean to me for no reason and all I tried to do was to ask you to educate me if I was wrong. I have no room for you in my business, sorry. (And thanks for the hundred bucks)

Anyway, there is a GREAT opportunity here. Please continue to read this post for a while and see what everyone thinks.

We (2Much) have a video chat program called LiveCamNetwork v2.0. It is my entire life and that of my programmers. I swear my my fathers grave (Robert) that the accounting is accurate, that it works well, and that we are not out to screw anyone.

On this very board we have marketers, billers, talent (and agents), and traffic guru's. In essence, everyone still reading this can contribute "something".

What if we could assemble a small group of people, in this very thread, to form at least a temporary trial business idea.

Think about it! We can provide the software to anyone for free. We will give all the usernames and passwords so EVERYONE here can check and re-check the system until they are blue in the face. We can assign each person a different task. YOU! Get traffic. YOU!! Get chat models. YOU!!! - Make the website look snappy.

Everyone is busy here shooting off their mouths about what an expert they are here, right? Why don't we prove it not only to the world, but to ourselves as well?

We will provide our software for free. We can all take a cut of the revenues it generates. We can all agree on every single part of the deal, otherwise there's no deal.

Besides our software, what 2Much will bring to the table is everything that we have learned in the past bazillion years. We have about 25 chat models that we train and log in during various days of the week. Everyone can contribute their own chat models too.

So what do you say? Are you EXPERT enough to come on board? Call it the grand Adult experiment or anything you want. Even better, since Gonzo was gracious enough to allow this thread to continue, I say we should continue to use this thread to communicate with everyone else!

I have no trouble whatsoever making ALL of the stats, web, sales, expenses etc, completely public to ANYONE who is interested.

I and 2Much Internet Services Inc stands by our product 100000%. Many of our customers that Shellee listed earlier failed simply because they were newb's who did not understand the adult market. While I'm sure there are some newb's reading this, there are certainly more experts.

So what do you say?

2MUCH Internet is willing to offer-up its software and experience to anyone up for this new revenue stream. I am proposing a no-cash-up-front partnership for anyone and everyone who is interested, installed on the domain name of your choice.

Anyone who would like to talk to me about this can ICQ me at 322403761


Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Well you must be really busy manipulating things to try and look good on here - this is the screen shot I took a short while ago. Let's see we are bragging about the 5 girls online? You go!

Shellee,

2 Of the girls in your screenshot went home 30 minutes ago at 10:30pm eastern time, but your post as listed as 5 minutes ago at 11:00pm eastern time. Who is manipulating what exactly?

I suggest that you check http://cam.livecamnetwork.com/cgi-bi...e_custmain.cgi right now at 11:02pm. They're all in private or group chat again. This page refreshes every 60 seconds.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Shellee,

2 Of the girls in your screenshot went home 30 minutes ago at 10:30pm eastern time, but your post as listed as 5 minutes ago at 11:00pm eastern time. Who is manipulating what exactly?

I suggest that you check http://cam.livecamnetwork.com/cgi-bi...e_custmain.cgi right now at 11:02pm. They're all in private or group chat again. This page refreshes every 60 seconds.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Are you kidding me - I did take it 30 minutes ago but I am sure when you got back from beers and read the thread about no one in paid chat still you spent a few minutes "fixing that" took a screen shot to post here like eveyone wants to go see your 5 girls online. Do you think anyone really cares about your 5 chat hosts? Please.

Then you tried this before with the free offer on Ynot after the bashing over there and did that ever pan out for you....Nope!

Why don't you share with all of us the two new clients you sold to and their site names? Or was that another lie as well.

Accounting errors 101 - Here is a snipit of the errrors

Shellee,

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and here is another one

Shellee,

I found my notes - thanks.

MBASE
The MBASE fees will be credited and corrected. After this you will be charged 35 cents per minute for ALL mbase usage.

Technical Support:
We will credit you for all Chatvibe Licenses. Technical Support for your performers will NOT be offered or rendered until this has been cleared with you first. At that time you will be required to send us a signed letter by fax authorizing you to give that performer ANY support, clearly indication the performers name, real name, date and time. We will not render any support whatsoever for your performers or customers until we have received this authorization by fax.

Email Setup Fee:
You are allowed 10 email setups. To the best of my knowledge you already have 2 or 3. Once you reach 10, you will be charged $100.00 for each additional email address.

Refunds on chargebacks.
There will be absolutely no refund on chargebacks or revenue share. I am fully aware of the legal issue regarding tips, however I will argue that Webmasters who bring you customers via MBASE are entitled to a percentage of all sales they bring to your models, including tips. If you disagree you are free to post this question to the BBS and ask all of our customers who drive traffic to your models if they should give up 100% of their revenue to you or not.

10% Holdback.
No problem, Shellee. We will payout whatever the current holdback is owed to you as soon as we receive a guarantee for MABSE usage. As stipulated in 4.05.04 "Payment Guarantees for MBASE Usage" which reads: Licensee shall put up such additional sureties which are, in the sole and absolute discretion of Licensor, sufficient to cover any negative account balance that may occur in the operation and/or maintenance of the Licensee's website, or which will cover additional services requested by Licensee, and the amount will be based upon an estimate provided by Licensor which would cover, at the minimum, an equivalent of three months operating expenses and Mbased usage, including an amount to cover hold backs which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Licensor, may be incurred in the operation of the website; Which shall be in this case, $1500.00 USD per website. If you prefer not to pay the $1500.00 per website, then we respectfully suggest that you leave your 10% holdback where it is until 6 months after each original purchase from each retail customer of your sites.



Mark Prince

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wow, you sure owned me. You're right about everything.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE: IF YOU NEED AN EXPERT NETWORKING / SECURITY GURU, PLEASE CONTACT MOETHEMAN!! HE REALLY KNOWS HIS STUFF!

Hahaha

As I previously stated, I am not even into networking that much . . .

I am a Junior Ruby/Python programmer.

But, WHATEVER homes, I joined the slugfest in order to refute your claim that Gonzo did not catch you posting under another account because it was technologically impossible.

I have illustrated, albeit at a high level, that you were either lying, or did not know it could be done. It turns out you really did not know that. I had thought that you were just being an ass.

Either way, my point was that. And just that.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Everyone -
Moeman, well, um, sorry. I have nothing to say to you dude, sorry. You were just mean to me for no reason and all I tried to do was to ask you to educate me if I was wrong. I have no room for you in my business, sorry. (And thanks for the hundred bucks)

Niiiiiice. You admit that I was right in the debate, and now refuse to donate the money.

You should donate it to ANY legitimate charity.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Niiiiiice. You admit that I was right in the debate, and now refuse to donate the money.

You should donate it to ANY legitimate charity.

Whatever you say. You bragged about your know-how, and I bet you in front of everyone here that you couldn't prove it. A simple LINK to a network expert site would have been all the proof anyone here needed, but you couldn't even produce that because you were wront.

And now, everyone knows you for the fool, the liar, and the joke that you are.

Try not to toss and turn too much tonight as you think about how I, a confessed non-expert, proved you wrong.

Mark Prince