Morals and this industry

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Let's see the proof. Like I said, I mentioned an email from you in icq. You copied that particular email to serge.

Let's see a confirmation of me passing on emails.

You sad fuck. Even if it was an ICQ you still are a backstabbing cunt. You WORKED for me, but then you were lacking in getting that job done anyways.

You really think because I can't find a going on 3 year old email will vindicate you as a backstabbing fuck?

It's readily apparent that you can't do a few things:

1. Keep your mouth shut
2. Finish a job
3. Piss

[Osiris]

Is there a position open?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I do plenty of jobs from start to finish, there are merely some that aren't worth finishing or for that matter not worth starting

What's that I hear?!

It's the mating call of the loser.

Hey, might as well not do it if you are going to fail at it, eh?

I guess that's why you needed to post why you have so many important things in your life earlier. Eases the guilt of realizing that you need to rationalize why you can't finish something, let alone start it.

[RyanLanane]

Everyone who wished me well, I appreciate it - Last night was again Day #1 of Sobriety... I've been here before so I'll be just fine. Time to go to my regular 'I slipped' AA meeting tonight and see if I last more than 4 meetings this time, LOL. Unlike you, I don't think I'll ever make it without attending those damn things tegularly even though I HATE admitting that.

Besides a splitting heading and an insatiable craving for a drink... Suprised I'm not in worse shape after a total of 4 days on the bottle - and suprisingly (even though it doesn't make it any better) I didn't do anything stupid except maybe one or two idiotic posts on GFY- which hell they are all idiots there anyways

Anthony, no calls from that area code... Only calls from people I knew the last 48 hours. A couple 14 year old girls tried added me to Skype though - was that YOU?? LOL

I have have about 30 numbers over the years, you pry had an old #of mine, guessing the -0279 since that was the last number we talked on.. That line is dead now

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

lololol....I didn't start this as a mindless piss. I questioned your platitude. I got double and then triple teamed. I have watched you an Ant do that before and if that is the way it is going to be, then fuck no I don't want any part of it.

I do plenty of jobs from start to finish, there are merely some that aren't worth finishing or for that matter not worth starting

Like the vacuuming?

I thought we had sorted it in icq...then left for my daughters concert found your paypal in my mail , and that you had done all this searching to prove that KP is mentioned on the board LOL etc etc.

You're right.I suggest you get more of those $200 programming stints that take you two weeks to start ,two weeks to get going, then 2 weeks to find it was the guy who hired you fault, not yours , so you can quit.

LOL

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

You sad fuck. Even if it was an ICQ you still are a backstabbing cunt. You WORKED for me, but then you were lacking in getting that job done anyways.

You really think because I can't find a going on 3 year old email will vindicate you as a backstabbing fuck?

It's readily apparent that you can't do a few things:

1. Keep your mouth shut
2. Finish a job
3. Piss

lolololololol...........

Fuck off Anthony.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Is there a position opened?

Indeed there is!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

lolololololol...........

Fuck off Anthony.

Hey, at least I can make you laugh.

Everyone needs that at least once a day.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I thought we had sorted it in icq...then left for my daughters concert found your paypal in my mail , and that you had done all this searching to prove that KP is mentioned on the board LOL etc etc.

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Everyone who wished me well, I appreciate it - Last night was again Day #1 of Sobriety... I've been here before so I'll be just fine. Time to go to my regular 'I slipped' AA meeting tonight and see if I last more than 4 meetings this time, LOL. Unlike you, I don't think I'll ever make it without attending those damn things tegularly even though I HATE admitting that.

Besides a splitting heading and an insatiable craving for a drink... Suprised I'm not in worse shape after a total of 4 days on the bottle - and suprisingly (even though it doesn't make it any better) I didn't do anything stupid except maybe one or two idiotic posts on GFY- which hell they are all idiots there anyways

Anthony, no calls from that area code... Only calls from people I knew the last 48 hours. A couple 14 year old girls tried added me to Skype though - was that YOU?? LOL

I have have about 30 numbers over the years, you pry had an old #of mine, guessing the -0279 since that was the last number we talked on.. That line is dead now

Do this one...

Go to your kid and say , you'll never ever see me drinking again.I give you my word.

It works.

I will never dink again

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

No difference, both mean to you...

"I'm going to be a fuckwit even after hearing your side"

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

didn't know you were Japanese , sorry ;-)

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Everyone who wished me well, I appreciate it - Last night was again Day #1 of Sobriety... I've been here before so I'll be just fine. Time to go to my regular 'I slipped' AA meeting tonight and see if I last more than 4 meetings this time, LOL. Unlike you, I don't think I'll ever make it without attending those damn things tegularly even though I HATE admitting that.

Besides a splitting heading and an insatiable craving for a drink... Suprised I'm not in worse shape after a total of 4 days on the bottle - and suprisingly (even though it doesn't make it any better) I didn't do anything stupid except maybe one or two idiotic posts on GFY- which hell they are all idiots there anyways

Anthony, no calls from that area code... Only calls from people I knew the last 48 hours. A couple 14 year old girls tried added me to Skype though - was that YOU?? LOL

I have have about 30 numbers over the years, you pry had an old #of mine, guessing the -0279 since that was the last number we talked on.. That line is dead now

Yah, it was the 0279 number. No worries man. I just wanted to catch up with you, make sure you were okay. Sounds like you are back up that mountain again.

Success isn't only the height of what a man can reach, but how high he goes after hitting bottom. We've all been there.

It will 365 days come January 1st for me. I'm pretty proud of it. Take one day at a time.

[Osiris]

Turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so..


"dink" again. You sure man?

[Newton]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

Never confuse 'common decency' with 'morality' either.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Do this one...

Go to your kid and say , you'll never ever see me drinking again.I give you my word.

It works.

I will never drink again

I've taken the liberty of replacing the needed consonant in that, as it is such an important gift to bestow upon the world.

This is a man who plays "Sobriety Hardball." The lady in your life will pick you up and understand, Ryan. Your friends will do the same. But the one thing you never, EVER want to see is the look in your child's eyes when you break a promise like that. It will gut you.

It also makes you very mindful of what you could be passing on. Every parent wants their child to inherit the best of them. Not the worst. Unfortunately, alcoholism runs in families. Some say it's genetic, some say it's learned behavior. Whatever it is, you sure as hell don't want to pass it down.

My Dad scared the hell out of us when he was drunk. He wasn't a violent drunk. He was never absusive. He just wasn't "Daddy" when he drank. Thick voice, inchoherent conversation, the smell, the regrettable tendency to collapse on the floor...it was scary as hell. The "mornings after" weren't a lot of laughs, either. Instead of "happy breakfast" we got a white-faced mother telling us not to make noise...and we had no idea why at the time.

My husband "self-medicated" a lousy life with Jack Daniels before he met me. Then, it occured to him as he held his infant daughter that there was a "talk" in the future about drinking. So he stopped drinking entirely until the girls got old enough to discuss the subject intelligently. We're proud to have a 24 year old who looks at wine lists now. (If she's going to drink, she's having a good wine, thank you very much. )

You can do it, Ryan. There's a hundred reasons to fall off the wagon. But one very important one to stay on that outweighs everything. That child.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I've taken the liberty of replacing the needed consonant in that, as it is such an important gift to bestow upon the world.

This is a man who plays "Sobriety Hardball." The lady in your life will pick you up and understand, Ryan. Your friends will do the same. But the one thing you never, EVER want to see is the look in your child's eyes when you break a promise like that. It will gut you.

It also makes you very mindful of what you could be passing on. Every parent wants their child to inherit the best of them. Not the worst. Unfortunately, alcoholism runs in families. Some say it's genetic, some say it's learned behavior. Whatever it is, you sure as hell don't want to pass it down.

My Dad scared the hell out of us when he was drunk. He wasn't a violent drunk. He was never absusive. He just wasn't "Daddy" when he drank. Thick voice, inchoherent conversation, the smell, the regrettable tendency to collapse on the floor...it was scary as hell. The "mornings after" weren't a lot of laughs, either. Instead of "happy breakfast" we got a white-faced mother telling us not to make noise...and we had no idea why at the time.

My husband "self-medicated" a lousy life with Jack Daniels before he met me. Then, it occured to him as he held his infant daughter that there was a "talk" in the future about drinking. So he stopped drinking entirely until the girls got old enough to discuss the subject intelligently. We're proud to have a 24 year old who looks at wine lists now. (If she's going to drink, she's having a good wine, thank you very much. )

You can do it, Ryan. There's a hundred reasons to fall off the wagon. But one very important one to stay on that outweighs everything. That child.

Didn't I just say all that with a 10th of the words and one misspell?

;-)))

seriously though , good post.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Didn't I just say all that with a 10th of the words and one misspell?

;-)))

seriously though , good post.

I have always, and will always, write like I get paid by the word.

One of my favorite quotes, that unfortunately I can't attribute, is by a famous writer: "I'm sorry this letter is so long but I didn't have the time to make it shorter."

And...thank you.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Do this one...

Go to your kid and say , you'll never ever see me drinking again.I give you my word.

It works.

I will never dink again

I can see that working very well too...... even as a non parent.

[domtheboy]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Is there a position open?

There certainly is, bend over....



Oh sorry, you meant on Oprano

[RyanLanane]

Good Advice on saying that to my daughter... One I am not sure I can quite make yet though as the good ole mild DT's are starting to kick in a mere 2-3 hours after waking up.. I made it through last night and everything is out of my system entirely now.. Most likely why. I've kicked harder things before and kicked this MANY times.

Maybe telling my daughter would be enough motivation for me... Outstanding idea, I just hate the idea that I may break that promise since I'm not sure i'm strong enough to make it through the holidays (my family is a BIG drinking family). The good thing is alot of the stressors are slowly melting away, life isn't good but it's livable at this point. That being said, I would drink now if I coud lol ...

Wrong thread for this though... Another thread another day ... And it will be reporting my sobriety birthdays !!!

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by domtheboy

There certainly is, bend over....



Oh sorry, you meant on Oprano

I think it's time for a quiet word, Dom.

[RyanLanane]

BTW, Anthony No better way to celebrate a New Year's Even then knowing you are HOURS away from a year of sobriety - Kudos To You, I know it couldn't of been easy !

[DrGuile]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Good Advice on saying that to my daughter... One I am not sure I can quite make yet though as the good ole mild DT's are starting to kick in a mere 2-3 hours after waking up.. I made it through last night and everything is out of my system entirely now.. Most likely why. I've kicked harder things before and kicked this MANY times.

Maybe telling my daughter would be enough motivation for me... Outstanding idea, I just hate the idea that I may break that promise since I'm not sure i'm strong enough to make it through the holidays (my family is a BIG drinking family). The good thing is alot of the stressors are slowly melting away, life isn't good but it's livable at this point. That being said, I would drink now if I coud lol ...

Wrong thread for this though... Another thread another day ... And it will be reporting my sobriety birthdays !!!

Dont make that promise if you are going to break it you fucking twat.

Also, nice that you are already working on blaming others for your next fall off the wagon.

We dont know each other, but I dont think I like you.

[MorganGrayson]

Shitfuck. My *extremely* bad.

I meant to congratulate you, Anthony, when I first read your post, but I got sidetracked. HUGE KUDOS!!!!

[DrGuile]

Also,

Congratz Ant on Year 1.

Keep it going.

[Nickatilynx]

Congrats Ant

Ryan,

Jesus dude.... I can't blame the Frenchie.

[Newton]

Congratulations Anthony and good on ya chap

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Congrats Ant

Ryan,

Jesus dude.... I can't blame the Frenchie.

I've been sitting here trying to find a way to reword what DrGuile said. Mind you, all I'm attempting to do is make it a tad gentler. I am by no means castigating DrGuile for what he said.

If anyone starts anything by giving a reason why he/she won't be able to do it, it's guaranteed that he/she won't be able to do it. (For lack of a neuter pronoun, we are now moving to "she.") She is not only setting herself up to fail she is detaching herself from responsibility for it. "It's not my fault," she can now say. "It's their fault. They made me do it."

One of the more accomplished dry drunks I know is an uncle-by-marriage. I met my husband's entire family - and still married the guy and had children with him on purpose, go figure - and watched them mock this guy. Why? Because he had stopped drinking. He was a brother/son/uncle/cousin/whatever to a big crowd of Slovak/Lithuanian fucking drunks. However, good ol' Uncle Billy took a long look at his life and said "this ain't working." (Or whatever he said.) And right in the middle of this crowd of lushes, he stopped drinking. He didn't get support. He got mocked. I caught his eye at this gathering and gave him my best "way to go!" smile. He smiled back at me gently and with appreciation. He stayed sober, too, despite the hell he took. He also went on to become mayor of the town he lived in. He was a good mayor, too...and a sober one. The rest of the family is still one large crowd of drunks.

Nobody's saying it's easy. Just that it's possible.

[Anthony]

Thanks everyone.

I've been able to say no everytime the plate was passed around. Even said no to a few girls.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Good Advice on saying that to my daughter... One I am not sure I can quite make yet though as the good ole mild DT's are starting to kick in a mere 2-3 hours after waking up.. I made it through last night and everything is out of my system entirely now.. Most likely why. I've kicked harder things before and kicked this MANY times.

Maybe telling my daughter would be enough motivation for me... Outstanding idea, I just hate the idea that I may break that promise since I'm not sure i'm strong enough to make it through the holidays (my family is a BIG drinking family). The good thing is alot of the stressors are slowly melting away, life isn't good but it's livable at this point. That being said, I would drink now if I coud lol ...

Wrong thread for this though... Another thread another day ... And it will be reporting my sobriety birthdays !!!

Oh my fucking god in heaven. Just when I thought this clusterfuck of a thread had reached bottom, now this.

We have already laid the groundwork for our next little slip (which is most often a fucking leap), so we can get some more kudos for trying again.

I cannot tell you how to make major bling. I am not an expert in morality or decency or whatever you want to call it. I am certainly not an expert in soberity, either.

However, if you want some advice on how not to drink today, I've managed to string together consecutive time since 10/23/93, after diddlyfucking myself and everyone around me about it starting in June of 82.

Shut the fuck up and get to a meeting, because everything you know is wrong.

ICQ is on the board.

[Trev]

Many congratulations Anthony mate

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Thanks everyone.

I've been able to say no everytime the plate was passed around. Even said no to a few girls.

Goddamn, you're doing excellently.

[RyanLanane]

Originally Posted by DrGuile

Dont make that promise if you are going to break it you fucking twat.

Also, nice that you are already working on blaming others for your next fall off the wagon.

We dont know each other, but I dont think I like you.

Guile, no we don't know eachother - I have seen you post sporadically here though. I think you misunderstood my post. I am not blaming anyone at all for my shortcomings, I blame myself and myself only. When I mentioned my family being big drinkers I was simply stating it is more difficult for me to quit drinking around a group of drunks - my shortcoming.. not their fault. Not that it helps right now, but I can say I am powerless over Alchohol... 'Cunning, Baffling...' some of you know what I mean and I have at least been working towards getting off the last thing I have a problem with.

Some people can do it cold turkey, without support groups such as AA... Some people need detox, then AA... Some people just need a group like AA to help them keep their sanity. To everyone it's different and unfortunately I am not one of those people who can just turn off the switch on this problem.

I quit a much more serious drug for my daughter, and if I hadn't I would be dead right now. I am much happier in my life without that shit now, and I am sure eventually I will be able to say the same about alchohol. It's just been 100X as tough for me to kick as the 2nd most addictive drug on the planet was - not an excuse.. a fact.

What I was saying is I am not sure I am ready to tell my daughter that because I am not 100% sure I can keep that promise right now, which is why it seems you have a problem with me I am guessing.

BTW Guile, I have talked to certain people here about falling off the wagon (nearly every time) and I can't think of ONE time I have ever blamed anyone but myself. I may say it was because this happened or that happened to myself but to them I don't even tell them why much less put the blame on anyone. I may be an alchoholic, but I am an alchoholic that admits it is his own fault.

[RyanLanane]

PD - You really are a bastard....

That being said, you are right most of the time. Probably why we bump heads so much.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

PD - You really are a bastard....

That being said, you are right most of the time. Probably why we bump heads so much.

PD is just a "straight shooter."
Grab his ICQ#, Ryan.
That's where I'd head if I needed some advice on "one day at a time."

That's what AA is, if it's working correctly.
A bunch of sober drunks who don't pull any punches, helping the shaking newbies make it one day at a time.

If you'd like to read about a fictional character who's a dry drunk, check out Lawrence Block's "Matt Scudder" series. Matt Scudder has a sponsor who reacts to every damn thing that happens with "yes, but did you drink today? No? Then today is a success." His sponsor says if he ever says anything else, it's time to get a new sponsor.

No, PD, I didn't just volunteer you as a sponsor.
I just think the books are great and related to them a LOT.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

PD - You really are a bastard....

That being said, you are right most of the time. Probably why we bump heads so much.

Could be that much of the reason I get in touch with my inner bastard when you get to posting is that I've heard a lot of it come out of my own mouth a time or twenty.

I have three daughters, and the promise I make to them whenever the subject comes up today - not nearly as often as it used to - is the same as it was starting twelve years ago.

Not today.

One minute at a time, bud ... the easiest way to keep from lying to yourself and those around you right now is to say nothing.

[DrGuile]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

I have three daughters, and the promise I make to them whenever the subject comes up today - not nearly as often as it used to - is the same as it was starting twelve years ago.

Not today.

One minute at a time, bud ... the easiest way to keep from lying to yourself and those around you right now is to say nothing.

That sounds about right.

The only way not to drink, is to not be drinking right now....

That sentence sounds odd, but I can't rework it and it says what I mean...

[domtheboy]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I think it's time for a quiet word, Dom.

*grumbles*

yes miss

[TheEnforcer]

Ant, missed it before. Congrats on the 1 year anniversery!!

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Ant, missed it before. Congrats on the 1 year anniversery!!

Same here. Missed that post through all the other .... "rheteoric" .... Congrats, Ant!!

[Hell Puppy]

I only have one thought to add to all of this....

You can shear a sheep over and over, but you can only skin it once.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I only have one thought to add to all of this....

You can shear a sheep over and over, but you can only skin it once.

Ah, but we really need to know if skinning the sheep is moral ... no, wait, it doesn't matter if it's moral.

Is it decent?

And I suppose that if shearing involves rubber boots and a cliff, we have opened another can of worms indeeed ...

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Ah, but we really need to know if skinning the sheep is moral ... no, wait, it doesn't matter if it's moral.

Is it decent?

And I suppose that if shearing involves rubber boots and a cliff, we have opened another can of worms indeeed ...

Now *there's* a reference I haven't heard in a long time!

Points coming, PD!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Now *there's* a reference I haven't heard in a long time!

Points coming, PD!

Sheep, rubber boots, and water.

Less dangerous.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Sheep, rubber boots, and water.

Less dangerous.

This is going to get you points, Anthony...but I'm going to have to sit quietly and reflect on *why* I'm giving you points for expertise in this area.

[VooMan]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

You can shear a sheep over and over, but you can only skin it once.

[MorganGrayson]

Hi, VooMan!

I second that pearl!

TREV!

[Red]

Congrats on 1 year Anthony.
And congrats to anyone who has managed to kick an addiction. It takes a lot of inner strength to accomplish and not everyone has it.

[VooMan]

I'm a dumbass...

Congratulations Anthony. Way to go...

Hiya Morgan.