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Morgan, this what you were looking for? Abu Ben Adam (may his tribe increase) Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace And saw, within the moonlight of his room Making it rich, like a lily in bloom An angel writing in a book of gold. Exceeding peace had made Abu Ben Adam bold And to the presence in his room he said 'What writest thou?' The vision raised its head And with a look of all sweet accord Answered: 'The names of those who love the Lord. 'And is mine one?' said Abu. 'Nay not so' Replied the Angel: Abu spoke more low But cheerily still and said 'I pray thee then Write me as one that loves his fellow-men' The angel wrote and vanished. The next night It came again with awaking light And showed the names of whom love of God had blessed. And lo! Ben Adam's name led all the rest. |
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Ok, nice find there Lisa!!
Now, that isn't what the bible, or any religious orginization I know of that believes in the bible, teaches as to the requirements to get into heaven. Any time I have seen someone espouse a belief like that it is as someone who doesn't take the requirements from the bible but rather what they think a loving God would do. Someone who is more spirutual about their beliefs on God and not a "follower" of the bible so to speak. So...... Morgan.. if you could please elaborate I would greatly appreciate it... |
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I am a frisbeetarian. We frisbeetarian believe that when you die, your soul departs your shell of a body and gets stuck on the roof.
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You got it backwards Einsteins theory of relativity has not yet been proven. Neither has Darwin, nor Big Bang, Nor anything about the dinosaurs. Science starts with a hypothisis, and all actions taken are to DISPROVE the hypothisis. When disproval can not be found it is generally accepted as fact. Relativity can not be proven until we see an object traveling the speed of light squared. Same reason that the science world for decades said we evolved from monkeys, when more recent evidence points to our simply being a different branch of the evolutionary tree. When I was a child Dinoraurs were reptiles, TRex stood straght up, and was the strongest hunter that walked the planet. Recent evidence says birds, standing would break its spine, and it was a huge vulture. |
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I understand fully the scientific method and the fact that a theory is never actually proven. The beautiful thing about the scientific method is that it leaves things open to be challeneged and changed. The difference between science and a religion is that science is open to the challenge while religion allows no room for the challenge.
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(And no, I didn't misspell "Bibles." I deliberately wrote "bibbles.") Now, I have to go pay up in points! |
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Yes, I am working on my "dark side." I'd like to thank all the "little people" that are assisting me, especially the smallest of all...you. (I do have to give total props to Dravyk and Boards Scanner for allowing me to totally annoy Trev by posting his name and setting off his inbox! Thanks, Drav! ) |
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My humor fell flat, as it is oft to do lately. I, personally, DO NOT believe that the Bible or the requirements of christian behavior espouse the ability to purchase your way into heaven, especially by giving to a church or television program. (What's the "camel, eye of the needle, rich man" quote?) I apologize to anyone who was offended by the mistaken impression I was mocking the Bible. The directives on what God would like from His children contained in the Bible are pretty much the directives contained in everybody's "Big Book." I still have - and always will have - the Bible given to me as a child. It's a Catholic Bible, and therefore different than the King James Bible used by others...and much different than the flat out silly ones that are supposed to be "easier to understand." (I actually read one where "Ruth went in to make...pancakes... ) It's not my "instructions for life," it's a momento of my childhood. Did I elaborate sufficiently, TE? If there are more questions, fire away. |
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Oh, you aren't going to ever get critisize of offend me by making humor of the bible!! LOL
I was merely commentating on the difference between "church going" believers and spiritual believers. Peoiple that are regular church goers and who subscribe to a particular "brand" of faith take the requirements of the bible as the absolute requirements for entry into heaven. The more extreme of those types do things like push for things like intelligent design to be pushed on your kids. People who are more of the spiriual belief and not regular church goers in nature like, which is what you seem to be, seem to take a more "this is what I believe God would do" appraoch and are much more open minded about those things. Alas I am somewhat rambling but what I really was asking in a roundabpout way is how you thought, and WHY, that poem answers my criticism of the concept of God and entry into heaven? Because it seems to me that is more a PERSONAL belief on what you think God would do rather than what the bible teaches God does. |
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Also, I should make clear I am not talking about purchasing your way into heaven. A man such as Adolph Hitler, I know it's an extreme example, if he truly repented and asked for sincere forgiveness of his sins and embraced God before he died can "earn" his way into heaven but the same thing can't be said for a man who is as good as can be but absolutely refuses to believe in God right up until his last breath of life on this earth.
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All of my beliefs about the Goddess/God are personal beliefs. There is no "Wiccan Bible." We keep what is called a "BOS" (Book of Shadows, I have *no* idea why it's called that) that is a compendium of many things: our own beliefs, our own personal rituals, etc. (Heavy on the "etc.") Note: the whole "spell" thing comes from the "Craft," not the religion, and I'm not going there right now. I mentioned the poem because I love it and I happened to think of it then. I, personally, found it impossible to believe in a "god" that wanted the things that some people have informed me the Bible says God wants. I'm going to have to scroll back after this to read what it was you said that you thought I was "answering." I tossed out more "comments" in this thread than "answers." I don't happen to believe that I have any answers to anything. I have lots of beliefs, and can even explain how they came to be, but as far as answers? Really short on those. Everybody's religion - I consider the atheist's beliefs a religion, since I never got a good enough definition of the word "religion," I use it as a catch all word that covers just about anything - as their way of making it through life. If my set of beliefs turn out to be totally wrong, in every way, where is the harm? I've had my one and only life in happiness, harmed no one, and turned to dust. Whatever's out there, something or nothing, I doubt seriously it's a big yellow smilie going "neener, neener" because I got it wrong. (However, if a big yellow smilie is currently laughing his ass off because I wrote that, I'll cope with that, too.) A long time ago I decided what the Goddess wanted from me personally. It's a belief that I'm very comfortable with. Does that mean I know what the Goddess/God/Fred/Whatever wants from you? Nope. It's not my job to know that. I'm in charge of me, and no one else. How am I doing, TE? Any closer to answering whatever the question was? |
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drivel drivel drivel............
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OK, I think we're on the same page now. That isn't my belief. I don't believe that believing in a god would be necessary to get into this place called heaven. I can't believe in a god who would place more value on being worshipped than having people live a good life, doing the best they can with the incredible gift that's been given them. When you give a gift to a child, sometimes the child is so overwhelmed with the gift he doesn't say thank you and sometimes is so absorbed in the gift he's no longer aware you're standing there. As making the child that happy was the desired result in giving the child the gift in the first place, I'm fine with the reaction. I have a regrettable tendency to lapse into metaphor and analogy. My concept of "heaven" is very different from the Christian/christian one, too. |
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Thanks for the post Morgan. Guess it's hard to answer because you are the type of believer I "get" so to speak. I don't understand "fundies" and such that are strict bible adherists.
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Must be a wonderful way to go through life "I don't like how it really is, so I think I'll make something up to believe". why not ? I mean it doesn't hurt anybody does it ?
Straight out escapism all around me. I can't deal with what IS, so I will create a little playground in my mind and stay there... la dee da... life is wonderful....... It's still bullshit.
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Thanks for the points Morgan. Tho I'm glad it doesn't COST you anything to give them to me. All I did was google what you posted, second search result, there it was!
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I'm referring to the smilie of course. *I* certainly would not cast any aspersions against DRAVYK'S TESTICLES. I'm also unwilling to take the risk that those honkers are the size of basketballs and he's willing to prove it with a digital pic. Unh-huh. No way. |
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I'm funny that way. See, you were supposed to zip back a zinging retort of some kind, not a real testicle discussion. I'm afraid I'm going to have to send you to your room and request that you reread the rule book on this sort of discussion. |
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