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I'm sure Janet Reno thought she had a "good enough reason" as well when she gave the order to storm Waco and slaughter children.
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What exactly?
That Janet Reno gave the order to go in to Waco, that children were slaughtered, or that Reno had a good reason?
The first two are facts, the third would be Janet's opinion, not mine.
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Serge do you honestly believe that *all* of those children were murdered at the hands of their parents, and that *none* of them died from all of the bullets being fired into the building or from the fires, etc?
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Serge do you honestly believe that *all* of those children were murdered at the hands of their parents, and that *none* of them died from all of the bullets being fired into the building or from the fires, etc?
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yes, I do....and unless you can prove otherwise,
your argument is as priceless as a speculation on how many devils can dance on the tip of the needle
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Serge, because this is how I remember it:
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and how old were you when it happened?
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Serge, because this is how I remember it:
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In my 20s, but what has that got to do with anything?
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yes, I do....
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Serge I love this country as much as you do. I understand that our gov't is far better than the system you came from. But that doesn't mean you should have blind faith in it. Our country is great *because* we have the right to question, the right to speak out without fear of being shot, and the right to change things.
Politicians lie. Gov't is made up of politicians. Blindly trusting the gov't to tell you the truth 100% of the time will make our system no better than Russia's was.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 1 2003, 08:51 AM
Serge do you honestly believe that *all* of those children were murdered at the hands of their parents, and that *none* of them died from all of the bullets being fired into the building or from the fires, etc?
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Just so folks remember what people are actually capable of:
In Guyana 1978, a cult led by Jim Jones chose to commit suicide:
"914 died: 638 adults and 276 children. Some sources say 911 died. Most appear to have committed suicide by drinking a grape drink laced with cyanide and a number of sedatives, including liquid Valium, Penegram and chloral hydrate. Some sources say it was Kool-Aid; others say FlaVor-Aid®. Other victims appear to have been murdered by poison injection."
So, is a group of people led by a charismatic leader capable of killing their children?
most definitely.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm
"During the late 1970's, Jones had been abusing prescription drugs and appears to have become increasingly paranoid. Rumors of human rights abuses circulated. As in most high-intensity religious groups, there was a considerable flow of people joining and leaving the group. Tim Stoen, the Temple attorney and right-hand man to Jones left to form Concerned Relatives who claimed that Jonestown was being run like a concentration camp, and that people were being held there against their will. This motivated Leo Ryan, a Congressman, to visit Jonestown in 1978-NOV for a personal inspection. At first, the visit went well. Later, on NOV-18, about 16 Temple members decided that they wanted to leave Jonestown with the visitors. This came as quite a blow to both Jones and the rest of the project. While Ryan and the others were waiting at Port Kiatuma airfield, the local airstrip, some heavily armed members of the Temple's security guards arrived and started shooting. Congressman Ryan and four others were killed; three were members of the press; the other was a person from Jonestown who wanted to leave. 11 were wounded. Fearing retribution, the project members discuss their options. They reach a consensus to commit group suicide. 914 died: 638 adults and 276 children. Some sources say 911 died. Most appear to have committed suicide by drinking a grape drink laced with cyanide and a number of sedatives, including liquid Valium, Penegram and chloral hydrate. Some sources say it was Kool-Aid; others say FlaVor-Aid®. Other victims appear to have been murdered by poison injection. The Guyanese coroner said that hundreds of bodies showed needle marks, indicating foul play. Still other victims were shot. A very few fled into the jungle and survived. The bodies were in a state of extensive decay when the authorities arrived. There was no time to conduct a thorough investigation"
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I wish. I am a young 32. My youthful good looks are the result of good living!
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exactly my point...
the government actions are responcible for your good living,
just say:
Thank you, US Government, and enjoy your life...
I LOVE when my opponents make points for me
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Ha! The government tried to destroy my good looks by sending into combat zones all over the planet. They taxed me, trying to limit how much personal hygiene products I could afford!
I have my stunning good looks DESPITE the government.
All that, and I play a good game of chess.
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you are just an INGRATE!
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The gov't isn't responsible for his good life - he is. It was his choices that gave him that good life, the gov't didn't choose for him.
He could have chosen to sit on his ass and collect a welfare check that he wastes on beer before he gets home, live in poverty and not have a dime to his name - would that be because of the gov't too? Nope, it's HIS choice.
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and WHO gave him this choice?
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He could be the illegitimate love child of Thomas Jefferson and his slave mistress! 
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great, we finally agreed on something in this thread
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