Morals and this industry

[Hooper]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I always knew you stuck around and read the threads.

Are you gonna be in Vegas?

You caught me, I check in once a day to read interesting threads.

I probably won't make vegas. I don't seem to get much out of shows these days except a hangover. Probably says more about my liver than the shows though, i'm sure they are still good.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

There's more than one way to skin a penguin.

But after you've done it the 43 times , over 20 times each...

[Osiris]

Nick, I gave the thumbs up just because I can respect his attitude. I am not taking any sides here because it isn't my arguement. Don't think I'd be afraid to though..

[PornoDoggy]

Hey, I'm not ganging up on anybody.

It is the responsibility of the Emperor's ministers to praise his new garments when he shows up in court naked.

The only thing I find suprising is that anyone who's been around the board for a while would be suprised at that.

[Anthony]

Henchman jumpin in.

Shut up PornDoggy.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Henchman jumpin in.

Shut up PornDoggy.

Hey, I was just admiring how efficiently the board works ...

[Sin]

Wow this thread took an interesting turn.

I'm going to jump back to the statement I made (I think it was in another thread though) about how I would do anything to facilitate my progress through life. Nick jumped on the "anything?" and my emphasis was on the "to facilitate" --For me it goes for if it'll facilitate me short term great, if it'll facilitate me short term & seriously hinder me long term, not great at all. If it won't facilitate my progress short term but will make things easier in the long run, great, if it won't do either, not great. As far as the issue that came up in this thread, that's touching on a whole new ballgame, as an adult I wouldn't be able to do it, it wouldn't facilitate me either in short term or long term, sure it might make me $ in that theoretical fantasy scenario but the effects it would have on me as an individual would far outweigh any dollar value. There's a reason my current goal is to be a Child Advocate lawyer, its to fight against stuff like that. I have a very low tolerance for many, many, many adults out there but the kids are still worth fighting for.

Anyways, I'm being anti-social at my hostess's parents house so have to go, will respond more later...

Good thread, and I love the way this board works. No matter what "side" or angle a person may take, it definitely keeps things interesting. I'm learning a lot, both from reading posts, and reading responses, and just in general...

[RyanLanane]

Hooper - Hell of a way of simplifying things.. Good post, I would give you some points if I knew how to... Being a failure and all though.. no idea how to


I have taken alot away from this thread even when it spun into a different directions there were posts here and there that made me do some serious thinking about my situation - and how I should change it, along with to what degree...

Pry just a manic moment but I feel good about myself for the first time in a while... And Nick, starting over again on the drinking thing... I didn't want help this time, I wanted to get fucked up and forget about things for 3 or 4 days. As usual it didn't help ... and never will, hopefully that sinks in eventually *for real* one of these days

This thread went of in a scary direction, I don't think Sarettah was implying anyone was doing . You guys then reacted Much like the way I reacted to not believing people should be able to write about in a thread a while back. I got my ass jumped over that - and even though I didn't agree .. I respected other people's beliefs and understood they were protected under the constitution to write about if they so chose to... as sick as it made me.

I wasn't even accused of it ... and went off it is such a touchy subject - so I understand the reactions... But really guys I don't think Sarettah meant anything else except to put out a situation showing there ARE lines people won't cross when it comes to 'cut throat do whatever it takes to make money in business'

The fact that it was that was the subject used caused a stir and upset alot of people... It's natural... But the real question I ahve for you guys, especially you Anthony cause you got REAL pissed.. Is why didn't any of you state how strongly you were against in writing ? Just because it's considered legal under our constitution?

I am NOT trying to throw a stone, I live in a glass house as it is... Just trying to keep the peace

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=40233



http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=43888&

Mkay, you got me there.. I don't see an individual being branded by lack of morals though.

[Trev]

<---- Henchman?

[PornoDoggy]

No, no, no, no, no, Trev - get with the program.

Morals are for pussies and rich people who can afford them.

It's about decency.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

No, no, no, no, no, Trev - get with the program.

Morals are for pussies and rich people who can afford them.

It's about decency.

Ah well, if you put it like that then I don't want any.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

Mkay, you got me there.. I don't see an individual being branded by lack of morals though.

And you don't see it in the question I posed either, unless you conveniently take it out of context and ignore the quote that it was in reply to.

But that doesn't matter, does it? Anthony decided to take it out of context and you just follow along. Attack the person asking the question instead of answering the question and admitting that the quick platitudes that are thrown out there to show how business savvy we are might have a couple of fucking holes in them.

I was neither drunk, stoned or high last night and neither am I this morning and I don't appreciate the accusations of such.

[NickJ]

What did you not do that you think if you did do you would have made a lot of green? Was it sell something to someone who will never make a dime with them? Was it something like that? You have a customer wanting to spend a bunch of money on you, your product or service and you know he will never make a dime with any of them because of his own incompetence? Something like that?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

And you don't see it in the question I posed either, unless you conveniently take it out of context and ignore the quote that it was in reply to.

But that doesn't matter, does it? Anthony decided to take it out of context and you just follow along. Attack the person asking the question instead of answering the question and admitting that the quick platitudes that are thrown out there to show how business savvy we are might have a couple of fucking holes in them.

I was neither drunk, stoned or high last night and neither am I this morning and I don't appreciate the accusations of such.

Henchman jumping in:

Oh WWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHH, WWWWAAAAAHHHHHH!

Does your mangina hurt now?

I gave you an out, but again, you have to show how tough you are with the last word.

Who you gonna accuse today, and of what?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I was neither drunk, stoned or high last night and neither am I this morning and I don't appreciate the accusations of such.

I'll have to re-check my posts, I don't recall accusing you of being drunk or stoned.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I gave you an out, but again, you have to show how tough you are with the last word.

Who you gonna accuse today, and of what?

Save your gifts for someone who needs them.

I accuse you of kindergarten pissing techniques, but hell, I can play that game too.

If you reply, oh you must of needed the last word nanny nanny boo boo. C'mon puppet. dance.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

I'll have to re-check my posts, I don't recall accusing you of being drunk or stoned.

No, you didn't. I didn't want to do 2 posts, so I included it in reply to you.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Save your gifts for someone who needs them.

I accuse you of kindergarten pissing techniques, but hell, I can play that game too.

If you reply, oh you must of needed the last word nanny nanny boo boo. C'mon puppet. dance.

OH you really hurt me now!

I quit.

I won't take this type of behaviour, do you know who I am?!

Oh wait, sorry I forgot.

Nobody.

[Anthony]

Goddamn whole place is gonna fall apart if I leave!

Just you wait!

Goddamnit, I'm important!

[Nickatilynx]

The fucked thing is Ryan fell of the wagon

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

The fucked thing is Ryan fell of the wagon

Yeah, caught that in Ryan's post..sucks

[Nickatilynx]

And sarettah as I said to you in icq...you can catch me in "the morals make you a loser " generalisation , but it wasn't very imaginative using that.

Or was that the only thing you could think of that you knew some of us wouldn't do? LOL

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Goddamn whole place is gonna fall apart if I leave!

Just you wait!

Goddamnit, I'm important!

Don't worry about it. you aren't that important.......

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Don't worry about it. you aren't that important.......

I was quoting you and your whining, old man.

Funny enough, you came up with your own answer.

Without this board you are nothing.

This board means nothing to me.

See the difference?

Sad isn't it.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I was quoting you and your whining, old man.

And where did I say anything about leaving? Or how important I am?

Once again you try to make whatever you read mean whatever the fuck you want.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

And where did I say anything about leaving? Or how important I am?

Once again you try to make whatever you read mean whatever the fuck you want.

It's a gift.

[NickJ]

Ryan, I think you did the right thing. But what you talk about no money and shit? You said this is the worst it has been? Where has it been before? I mean were you once rolling in the dough and that has ended? what has changed?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I was quoting you and your whining, old man.

Funny enough, you came up with your own answer.

Without this board you are nothing.

This board means nothing to me.

See the difference?

Sad isn't it.

Nice edit in there.

I like the board but as far as being nothing...lololol....

I have more of the important stuff in my life then you will have for a long long time. I have a beautiful wife, I have wonderful kids, and I have loyal friends.

What do you got except a whole lot of cash, a bunch of guns and watches and whichever partner/employer/whatever you've hooked yourself up with this month.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Nice edit in there.

I like the board but as far as being nothing...lololol....

I have more of the important stuff in my life then you will have for a long long time. I have a beautiful wife, I have wonderful kids, and I have loyal friends.

What do you got except a whole lot of cash, a bunch of guns and watches and whichever partner/employer/whatever you've hooked yourself up with this month.

Edit? No addition. I hit the enter button before putting in the rest.

OH NO! HERE WE GO AGAIN, HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE!!!

You don't know me you old fuck. The earliest memory I have you is being a backstabbing cunt, sending my personal emails to other people, WHILE YOU WERE WORKING FOR ME.

But hey, I get the job done, which can't be said the same for you.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by NickJ

Ryan, I think you did the right thing. But what you talk about no money and shit? You said this is the worst it has been? Where has it been before? I mean were you once rolling in the dough and that has ended? what has changed?

He was making great oney in this business in the late 90s and then left...

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

OH NO! HERE WE GO AGAIN, HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE!!!

You don't know me you old fuck. The earliest memory I have you is being a backstabbing cunt, sending my personal emails to other people, WHILE YOU WERE WORKING FOR ME.

Now where thefuck do you get important thing again. Say it enough times and you think you might convince someone that I said it somewhere?

As far as the rest. Bullshit. I shared nothing when I was doing the one bit of business with you. And I have never sent anyone anyone else's emails without permission that I can recall.

The only thing I can think of is that you could be referring to is the PM you sent me warning me about dealing with Nick that day I stood up for Nick on GFY. That was long long after you and I had done any business and it might have come up in an icq discussion somewhere, but sending your emails on. Bullshit. Prove it.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Now where thefuck do you get important thing again. Say it enough times and you think you might convince someone that I said it somewhere?

As far as the rest. Bullshit. I shared nothing when I was doing the one bit of business with you. And I have never sent anyone anyone else's emails without permission that I can recall.

The only thing I can think of is that you could be referring to is the PM you sent me warning me about dealing with Nick that day I stood up for Nick on GFY. That was long long after you and I had done any business and it might have come up in an icq discussion somewhere, but sending your emails on. Bullshit. Prove it.

1. How important you are...

I have more of the important stuff in my life then you will have for a long long time. I have a beautiful wife, I have wonderful kids, and I have loyal friends.

2. Forwarding my email I sent to you... Would the horse's mouth be enough?

Bad enough I lost my temper and burned the receipient of that email's trust by mentioning it.

What's worse is your dementia.

Maybe this is just one big setup for you to use as an excuse why you can't finish, YET AGAIN, another job.

[MorganGrayson]

I don't suppose suggesting that everyone take a deep breath, get a cup of coffee and reflect for a moment will help this thread any...but I'm taking a shot at it.

Ryan...back up on the wagon, my friend. OK, you fell off. Dust yourself off and climb back on again. Staying dry is a process, not an event.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

1. How important you are...

I have more of the important stuff in my life then you will have for a long long time. I have a beautiful wife, I have wonderful kids, and I have loyal friends.

2. Forwarding my email I sent to you... Would the horse's mouth be enough?

Bad enough I lost my temper and burned the receipient of that email's trust by mentioning it.

What's worse is your dementia.

Maybe this is just one big setup for you to use as an excuse why you can't finish, YET AGAIN, another job.

Doesn't make me important to have that stuff. It was in reply to being nothing without the board. Once again your tactic is to remove all context to get the meaning you want out of something.

Again, prove it. Who did I send an email from you to? If I did that then I do not recall it, however I screw up sometimes too, just like anyone else.

As far as a setup etc...lol.. I do not depend on this board or this business for my main income, so I pick and choose what I am gonna get involved in business wise. If I decide it isn't worth the time of effort, I don't do it. That simple.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Doesn't make me important to have that stuff. It was in reply to being nothing without the board. Once again your tactic is to remove all context to get the meaning you want out of something.

Again, prove it. Who did I send an email from you to? If I did that then I do not recall it, however I screw up sometimes too, just like anyone else.

As far as a setup etc...lol.. I do not depend on this board or this business for my main income, so I pick and choose what I am gonna get involved in business wise. If I decide it isn't worth the time of effort, I don't do it. That simple.

Makes you feel important posting it, eh? Or why would you post it in the first place then belittle me? You are an idiot. A sad fuck.

So you want me to prove you sent that email. Sure. My words were given back to me verbatim when I was told of it. Enough proof? You back stabbing cunt.

I've been part of, and heard enough stories of your business acumen. It is wanting.

[PornoDoggy]

Balderdash, poppycock, and horseshit.

Because of tension on the ward, afternoon basketweaving has been canceled, and medication will be increased for all patients.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Makes you feel important posting it, eh? Or why would you post it in the first place then belittle me? You are an idiot. A sad fuck.

So you want me to prove you sent that email. Sure. My words were given back to me verbatim when I was told of it. Enough proof? You back stabbing cunt.

I've been part of, and heard enough stories of your business acumen. It is wanting.

That is both the problem and the delight of this business.

People who were the best of friends may part ways for a few months then become the best of friends again.

I suggest we return to this argument....In about two weeks?

;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Balderdash, poppycock, and horseshit.

Because of tension on the ward, afternoon basketweaving has been canceled, and medication will be increased for all patients.

Fuck , I love the basketweaving too...still...can't grumble about the extra meds though

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

That is both the problem and the delight of this business.

People who were the best of friends may part ways for a few months then become the best of friends again.

I suggest we return to this argument....In about two weeks?

;-)))

Righto Old Boy!

[Newton]

Ryan, look forward to 2006 with anticipation and excitement, focus on the projects and not on the money.

Remuneration will naturally come if all the links of the project are in place and I wish you well chap.

Make 2006 your year chap

[TheEnforcer]

Well, haven't checked this thread in a while!!

Anyways, Ryan, sorry to hear about the lapse. It's not an uncommon thing and don't let it get you down. Just get back on the horse and start anew.

[Anthony]

Ryan,

Tried to call you homeboy! Pick up thy phone!

I was the 954 number.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

So you want me to prove you sent that email. Sure. My words were given back to me verbatim when I was told of it. Enough proof? You back stabbing cunt.

Prove it. Once again your proof is you said so, therefore it is so.

Back stabbing cunt...lololololol.... Takes one to know one I guess eh ?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Prove it. Once again your proof is you said so, therefore it is so.

Back stabbing cunt...lololololol.... Takes one to know one I guess eh ?

You really are a bonafide idiot.

I don't have to say who it is, it's pretty apparent who you sent it too, without having to name names. Look a few posts up, since I know you are near sighted.

You thought you could get some suck up points for shooting my emails over. You did. You also got labled as a back stabbing bitch from that whole episode.

You now want me to post emails from 2 years ago when I have already stated that my exact words were quoted back to me from the email you sent?

Don't you think that if this were not true, that the other party who was involved reading this would have jumped out and said that it wasn't?

You are clinging to one thing that you think matters.

While these things about your are true.

1. You are unbalanced
2. You can't finish a goddamn job
3. You are a backstabbing bitch
4. You live in lala land
5. You need this board, or any board for that matter.

Even after quitting and giving back your salary, you are still on here proving your worth, and that you can hang with the big dogs.

I'm still hiring guys like you.

You are still working for guys like me.

Nothing has changed in 3 years, eh?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

You really are a bonafide idiot.

I don't have to say who it is, it's pretty apparent who you sent it too, without having to name names. Look a few posts up, since I know you are near sighted.

You thought you could get some suck up points for shooting my emails over. You did. You also got labled as a back stabbing bitch from that whole episode.

You now want me to post emails from 2 years ago when I have already stated that my exact words were quoted back to me from the email you sent?

lololol... First of all I did not shoot your emails anywhere. I did quote one in a icq conversation (it's the one you copied serge on..remember that? So, you can choose who you share your comment to me with but I can't? Gotcha, it's a one way street for you isn't it?

You want to see the whole conversation in icq? I can do that for you but I don't believe I have ever sent an email from you to anyone.

Even after quitting and giving back your salary, you are still on here proving your worth, and that you can hang with the big dogs.

Nah, I just don't go at it with someone I am being paid by, against my way of doing stuff. So, yeah, I sent back a paypal and then I removed my mods and admin rights. Then I came in to answer the bullshit. That's the way I do things.

Seems you are awful in the know on some stuff that went by email to one person only.. hmm

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

lololol... First of all I did not shoot your emails anywhere. I did quote one in a icq conversation (it's the one you copied serge on..remember that? So, you can choose who you share your comment to me with but I can't? Gotcha, it's a one way street for you isn't it?

You want to see the whole conversation in icq? I can do that for you but I don't believe I have ever sent an email from you to anyone.




Nah, I just don't go at it with someone I am being paid by, against my way of doing stuff. So, yeah, I sent back a paypal and then I removed my mods and admin rights. Then I came in to answer the bullshit. That's the way I do things.

Seems you are awful in the know on some stuff that went by email to one person only.. hmm

Your debating skills are lacking. You are talking out of your ass, dementia must be so bad you can't even remember putting on the judas hat. So you want us to confirm to the world that you are a back stabbing cunt? Your choice. Would confirmation of receiving said email be enough, do you think? Or are you going to infer everyone is lying?

Yes I do know quite a bit of what happens in this place, did you miss the thread/post where Nick brought in me as a counsel? Please seek help, or just take your brain meds.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Your debating skills are lacking. You are talking out of your ass, dementia must be so bad you can't even remember putting on the judas hat. So you want us to confirm to the world that you are a back stabbing cunt? Your choice. Would confirmation of receiving said email be enough, do you think? Or are you going to infer everyone is lying?

Let's see the proof. Like I said, I mentioned an email from you in icq. You copied that particular email to serge.

Let's see a confirmation of me passing on emails.

[Nickatilynx]

On all Oprano matters I seek Anthony advice and keep him up to date with events.

Things like if the guy who was going to take over as COO starts to feel the pressure and starts up a mindless piss so he can either get himself fired or resign in some sort of made up huff ...ANYTHING except actually do a job from start to finish.

You do have a habit of deciding not to do a job for some reason at the last moment don't you sarettah...

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

On all Oprano matters I seek Anthony advice and keep him up to date with events.

Things like if the guy who was going to take over as COO starts to feel the pressure and starts up a mindless piss so he can either get himself fired or resign in some sort of made up huff ...ANYTHING except actually do a job from start to finish.

You do have a habit of deciding not to do a job for some reason at the last moment don't you sarettah...

lololol....I didn't start this as a mindless piss. I questioned your platitude. I got double and then triple teamed. I have watched you an Ant do that before and if that is the way it is going to be, then fuck no I don't want any part of it.

I do plenty of jobs from start to finish, there are merely some that aren't worth finishing or for that matter not worth starting