Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Well then call "soundslikebullshit" back up and tell him to come on and say who he really is... You said you already called to tell him to change his MAC address so who is it?

No Shellee,

What I said was is that I think I had an idea who it was based on the computer domain / workgroup name because sometimes, this is obtainable over the net. This person assures me it is not her and that is the end of it. I did not mention Mac addresses.

Mark

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Why does the phrase Turnkey Website keep running through my head?

Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions.

[2MuchMark]

Hi Rhetorical,

I don't think that this is what Dirty D meant. I think he's making a point about how this thread is a complete waste of time, and he's right. Thank god its Sunday and the weather's shitty outside.

I'm going home. Goodnight everyone!

http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Dirty D]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Dude, you may be rich. Or you may not. There is a dealership down the street from me that sells that lotus you post as a big deal and they are about 60K or so....the price of a useful volvo. You posted a picture of a motorcycle...no idea how much that cost but I am sure it is not a lot. You live in a hood that 500K buys you a house. I live in a three bedroom apartment that doubles that. So I have no idea how much you make. You say....and that is just your call...that you give away a million bucks a year. I am sure that is not verified by KPMG.
But here is the deal. We have a mutual friend who speaks very highly of you....I believe you performed the ceremony in Costa Rica. But that in no way means you are as stinking rich as you post. What you do for the traffic rats is one thing. We are not that interested. You have no idea if money is made here or not. Like I said earlier, I have tons of respect for what you do. You may or may not be able to afford that little Lotus. But that is not the point. It should have occurred to you some time ago, that you are posting with your peers and to lighten up. BTW, I have earned shit online for a couple of years, so I have a inkling of what I am saying here. I hope we meet someday and this is just a memory because I think you are winding yourself up about nothing. You had a perfectly plausible response to the legal issue. I think most believed you. I did.

Not sure what my post has to do with my car or motorcycle.

I am talking about earning money online vs shooting your mouth off.

I pay $1 Million Dollars EVERY Year to affiliates in addition to what they have earned.
This obviously means my business makes plenty of money and I take it seriously.

Perhaps you and your online ventures make millions also, since you took offense to my post.
It was obviously geared toward those that are experts in theory but not practice.

My point here is that there are many of my "peers" on here don't make shit but are full of advice.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman,
Let's be clear on this. I'm not that person, period, and that the "proof" that it was me is by my Mac Address. Not only do you believe him,

I do believe him - because it's true!

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

but you also claimed earlier that Mac Address tracking is common.

And I reiterate that claim. You simply missed the context being discussed, namely, a web application tracking a visitor's MAC address, which is how you were caught . . .

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Am I a networking guru? No. I am saying that Obtaining a Mac Address via the Internet is impossible, unless an application is installed on a PC which broadcasts that mac address.

No need to be a guru to know it . . . please.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

If you are not a networking expert and cannot prove me wrong, then thats ok. Whoever you are, I don't hate you for it. Please, dude, chill a sec..

HA HA HA - coming at me with the authority card? when talking about technology? You are clueless. Telling me to chill? Have you been nippin' on the cooking sherry?

Once again, I am not here to give you lessons. The information is freely available. Learn the same way I did, and do: find the right information, and read it, and understand it. Google is your friend if you are too cheap to buy a decent textbook.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

... but if there is a networking expert reading this who can show me how it is done, I would REALLY like to know how. From what I have read (yes on Wiki), it is impossible. Could I be wrong? Hell yes. I'm sorry if I came off to you as a networking expert earlier - it certainly wasn't my intention to do so. I never called you ignorant or stupid and I don't see why you get to call me that. Can you at least show me a link to a place that says obtaining MAC address IS possible?

Find it yourself. Oh, but it is ok to sit there and call a woman who is bringing up legitimate grievances several names is it? Don't try to play the victim here . . .

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

However if it is your opinion of me that I'm stupid and ignorant, then oh well. I won't say the same about you, sorry. I don't even know you. However, I must refuse any free drinks for you from me at Internext or Qwebec Expo this summer then, sorry!

Yeah, like I would need your free drinks . . . how cute.

LOL

Point stands, you were caught posting under another account.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions. (on Turnkey Websites)

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does. It's a video chat system that includes things like billing, accounting, user management, performer management, ability to network with other sites, etc.

It's still completely non-turnkey though to let owners customize the look and feel any way that they want, hire their own chat models, charge anything they like per minute, and pay anything they want per minute.

When people purchase our system, we advise them on how to use it. We even give them free access to our own business model which has worked for us for years.

(We would be pleased to offer a demo if anyone is interested! Even better, if you qualify, we would consider giving the right customer a FREE LiveCamNetwork license in exchange for a small revenue share.

If it works for you, great! Hopefully you will understand our grief with Shellee Hale. If it does not work for you, then at least you're out absolutely no money.

Shellee's unfortunate experience with 2Much derives from the fact that she simply ignored virtually every bit of advice we offered her and that is what lead to (continues to lead to) the pissing contest you see here. Oh well.

Contact us at 2Much!
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Toby]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does...

There's good reason to hate the term, since the vast majority of them are scams and rarely earn anyone but the site seller a dime.

[softball]

Perhaps you and your online ventures make millions also, since you took offense to my post.
It was obviously geared toward those that are experts in theory but not practice.

D, I feel like shaking you by the fucking collar. I am not taking offense at your posts I am supporting you. I have been all along. The million dollar thing is for your customers. I have no idea if you pay that out or not. Nor do I fucking care. The car thing is another bling thing that may or may not sell product. That is not the issue. What you put in the bank is and I have no idea what you put in the bank. But online, you pitch rich. So, when you fire broadsides on a board of your...no fear quotes necessary...your peers, then that all means shit. We all do that. It is how we make our living. So stop ragging on me for trying to make you look good. OK?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

I do believe him - because it's true!


Once again, I am not here to give you lessons. The information is freely available. Learn the same way I did, and do: find the right information, and read it, and understand it. Google is your friend if you are too cheap to buy a decent textbook..

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

I am out of my league here. I remember at the first conference I went to a guy got up to monitor a panel in the newbies seminar he said "adult is a close group and if we don't like you we will destroy you." Now I clearly know what he meant. I am definitely losing fans here quickly and not for being right or wrong but for even responding. I guess an apology is warranted and some rest.

Dirty D was right being the newest one I really do need to work as I have a lot to try and fix and learn to earn respect around here.

I am going to work on redeeming myself another way.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Kisses? no thanks, I don't kiss fags.
When you end up in the pen though, you'll just be the Posse's bitch.

Still trying to draw attention away from the original point are you? Must have hit a nerve there.

Google is your friend.

MAC addresses can be spoofed, like many, many other technologies.

How do you know that isn't being used widely?
You don't.
If it were not, how do you know it is due to technological reasons?
You don't.

Tracking is not synonymous with BLOCKING, to begin with . . . but this is a waste of time, I could break it down for you all the way to protons and neutrons, and you still wouldn't get it . . .

Your assumptions are much too broad, and shallow. Your logic is awful basic there. I am starting to feel sorry for you . . .

I can see that this goes WAY over your head.

And the point STILL remains, you were caught, and have obviously been wiggling like crazy to shrug it off . . .

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Actually I was hoping aebnliz could take care of it for me. Mmmm..



m

... I suppose my secret is out at long last...

That's right, y'all: I am a ball crushing she bitch. *whew!* It's good to have that out in the open..

[2MuchMark]

First of all,

GOOD MORNING!!!!

Next,
Moetheman:

Dude, whatever. You're the one who said Mac Address Tracking is everywhere. I'm just asking you in a really polite way, to Teach Me (and everyone else here) how this is possible.

And if you don't know the answer, to kindly show me some links to some resources that would explain MAC Address tracking.

You are the one who is getting completely bent out of shape on all of this, not me. You said something, I asked you to prove it. You didn't. I fully admitted that I'm no networking expert but politely and calmly showed you what I found (and invited true networking experts to tell me if I was right or wrong), and then you went balistic. Score one against the professionalism (or at least professional facade) of the Adult Industry.

I don't know you, but I don't hate you, whoever you are. You hate me without even knowing me, because you have prejudged me. All I did was offer a reply to your post.

I hope everyone reading this has a good, PRODUCTIVE, business day. Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Emp, you are not exactly in the "adult business". You are a manufacturer. If publishing your real name would hurt your relationship with your loved ones, put you at risk from the local bubba sheriff, put you in danger from stalking fans, or perhaps more to the point, cost you money because of other business interests, you would not be so quick to lose money or endanger any of the above relationships and/or people. JFK tried that shit out on me once at a GFY party, and I am sorry it just doesn't fly. Pseudonyms have been used by everyone from writers to actors. The Nom de plume is a time honoured tradition. This has a lot to do with safety and business and nothing to do with morals or pride. In your line of work, none of this is a threat to you unless perhaps you are putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera and we don't know about it. In which case, see above.

I have tried to ignore your posts, but you clearly have no intention of acting civilly.
So, I'm forced to respond to your errors, and assaults on my character.
First of all, you are completely ignorant to our situation. (No surprise there...you have always acted this way with everyone.)

For the record, I have absolutely NO Problem with people using fake names if they feel they must. But then they should not be surprises when the public at large views them with suspicion. They should also not get excited when they are "found out," or whatever it is anyone else here is hollering about.

As far as risk, in point of fact, I am at a higher risk EVERY DAY than most of your actors, and actresses that, as you put it "putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera," in a very important point. I can lose EVERYTHING, and be jailed on a whim.
While they are "performing art" and what can be successfully argued as "free expression," (and in my opinion, is,) I have no such protection.

I am manufacturing a product, with real taxable employees, in a real taxable building, with a real fixed location that every local legislator with an agenda can find. I can't hide behind services and anonimizer scripts. If someone claims our machine sucked their balls off, I go sit in court for product liability.

And, after all that, at any time, aforementioned legislator can go for asset forfeiture, (Including our shiny new factory) various infractions that were intended to stop organized crime, (Which they have somehow managed to apply to my peers in the adult business, ) As WELL AS ALL the other "personal reputation" attacks you have suggested.

You think the public sees me as different than the actors and actresses? You bet they do...we are "WORSE," because we are "promoting" this behavior, and supposedly somehow talking people into it. I HAVE had my business relationships destroyed by taking my stance. I have had subcontractors refuse to work for us because of what we do. I REGULARLY have trouble with "Bubba sheriff" as you put it. I HAVE spent 2 years fighting my local government that didn't have a law to stop adult companies from building in "their town," but do now. EVERY way they could slow down our construction has been tried. Resulting in Thousands in legal fees, and delays.

So you are simply wrong.
You should think before opening your yap. And as someone who has never shown any connection to the adult industry, or, actually, to any real person alive, your opinion doesn't even rate the saying "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."
As far as I know, you aren't a real person, with an asshole. You're just the hole.
Get a life. Either stand up and be a person, Prepared to defend your position publicly, or just slink around, like you do, and keep quiet. I'd actually prefer that, as I've never heard you make ANY valuable contribution.

In case you hadn't noticed, most of the legal battles have been won are fought by the people that DON'T hide. Then the rest of the industry piggybacks on the decision. My heart goes out to the guy that made the stand, and fought the good fight, not the person hiding behind the decision through 15 levels of dead end secrecy.

All my "loved ones" know exactly what I do, and support it. If you have "loved ones," that don't support you, then should they really be "loved ones?" Doesn't sound like "love" to me. Sounds like "conditional control."

If you can't handle all that goes with it, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it?
McDonald's is hiring. Burger King has a permanent sign screwed to the wall.

It's what makes the difference between "Amateurs," and "professionals."

Oh, and one more thing Jackass....I've been in the "adult business," since May 20, 1985, with my first adult video store.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

... I suppose my secret is out at long last...

That's right, y'all: I am a ball crushing she bitch. *whew!* It's good to have that out in the open..

Nah -

You're a nice person that has earned lots of respect in this business from lots of people, and represent a rock-solid company too. Congrats!

m

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I have tried to ignore your posts, but you clearly have no intention of acting civilly.
So, I'm forced to respond to your errors, and assaults on my character.
First of all, you are completely ignorant to our situation. (No surprise there...you have always acted this way with everyone.)

For the record, I have absolutely NO Problem with people using fake names if they feel they must. But then they should not be surprises when the public at large views them with suspicion. They should also not get excited when they are "found out," or whatever it is anyone else here is hollering about.

As far as risk, in point of fact, I am at a higher risk EVERY DAY than most of your actors, and actresses that, as you put it "putting your bare ass and dick in front of the camera," in a very important point. I can lose EVERYTHING, and be jailed on a whim.
While they are "performing art" and what can be successfully argued as "free expression," (and in my opinion, is,) I have no such protection.

I am manufacturing a product, with real taxable employees, in a real taxable building, with a real fixed location that every local legislator with an agenda can find. I can't hide behind services and anonimizer scripts. If someone claims our machine sucked their balls off, I go sit in court for product liability.

And, after all that, at any time, aforementioned legislator can go for asset forfeiture, (Including our shiny new factory) various infractions that were intended to stop organized crime, (Which they have somehow managed to apply to my peers in the adult business, ) As WELL AS ALL the other "personal reputation" attacks you have suggested.

You think the public sees me as different than the actors and actresses? You bet they do...we are "WORSE," because we are "promoting" this behavior, and supposedly somehow talking people into it. I HAVE had my business relationships destroyed by taking my stance. I have had subcontractors refuse to work for us because of what we do. I REGULARLY have trouble with "Bubba sheriff" as you put it. I HAVE spent 2 years fighting my local government that didn't have a law to stop adult companies from building in "their town," but do now. EVERY way they could slow down our construction has been tried. Resulting in Thousands in legal fees, and delays.

So you are simply wrong.
You should think before opening your yap. And as someone who has never shown any connection to the adult industry, or, actually, to any real person alive, your opinion doesn't even rate the saying "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one."
As far as I know, you aren't a real person, with an asshole. You're just the hole.
Get a life. Either stand up and be a person, Prepared to defend your position publicly, or just slink around, like you do, and keep quiet. I'd actually prefer that, as I've never heard you make ANY valuable contribution.

In case you hadn't noticed, most of the legal battles have been won are fought by the people that DON'T hide. Then the rest of the industry piggybacks on the decision. My heart goes out to the guy that made the stand, and fought the good fight, not the person hiding behind the decision through 15 levels of dead end secrecy.

All my "loved ones" know exactly what I do, and support it. If you have "loved ones," that don't support you, then should they really be "loved ones?" Doesn't sound like "love" to me. Sounds like "conditional control."

If you can't handle all that goes with it, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it?
McDonald's is hiring. Burger King has a permanent sign screwed to the wall.

It's what makes the difference between "Amateurs," and "professionals."

Oh, and one more thing Jackass....I've been in the "adult business," since May 20, 1985, with my first adult video store.

And your point is? That is a lot of wasted verbiage for no real reason. I was acting in a civil manner with no real disrespect. You, in your usual apoplectic manner, once again flew off the handle. Dude, you really need to chill once in awhile. BTW, I am a real person with a real business and prolly made my first adult video while you were still jerking off to plastic bag magazines. Now fuck off and go eat your bacon and eggs and read the newspaper or something. Anything to bring down your blood pressure.

[softball]

I never even heard of a mac address till yesterday. Still can't figure out what the fuck it is or if I should even care. Should I?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Either post your first and last name or shut the fuck up because he has a point. He produces glory hole content that requires you to fly under the radar if you're smart.
.

Eric J. White
CEO/CS
VR Innovations, Inc.
Would you like the Corporate address as well?
It's published in the AVN Printed Directory, as well as our website, and multiple places on the internet.
It's really my handsome face, and I'm really listed in IMDB.com and TV.com
My Personal Address is also easily found.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Eric J. White
CEO/CS
VR Innovations, Inc.
Would you like the Corporate address as well?
It's published in the AVN Printed Directory, as well as our website, and multiple places on the internet.
It's really my handsome face, and I'm really listed in IMDB.com and TV.com
My Personal Address is also easily found.

Emporer:
You're on IMDB? Me too!! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0484952/

See you at the Oscar's!

Cheers!

m

[softball]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Emporer:
You're on IMDB? Me too!! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0484952/

See you at the Oscar's!

Cheers!

m

Did you do well out of that Webdreams thing? A lot of people seemed to crash after being on that show.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Did you do well out of that Webdreams thing? A lot of people seemed to crash after being on that show.

Hi again -

We did ok... we have lots of type-in traffic, especially right after the show airs. The show was completed years ago but season 1 is still playing on Showcase on Friday nights at 10pm, and on IFC on Saturday nights here in Canada.

What kills me though is that the show can't be shown in the US. I don't know why but I think it has somehting to do with 2257 and Dugmor's infamous "Drilldo" scene. (Dugmor attaches a sex toy to a powerdrill and use it on Malasia. yikes...) Probably too racy for TV.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[softball]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi again -

We did ok... we have lots of type-in traffic, especially right after the show airs. The show was completed years ago but season 1 is still playing on Showcase on Friday nights at 10pm, and on IFC on Saturday nights here in Canada.

What kills me though is that the show can't be shown in the US. I don't know why but I think it has somehting to do with 2257 and Dugmor's infamous "Drilldo" scene. (Dugmor attaches a sex toy to a powerdrill and use it on Malasia. yikes...) Probably too racy for TV.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

They whizzed through Vancouver, pissed everyone off. I think it might be hard for them to recruit around here again. Glad you did ok, though.

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman:

Still trying to draw attention away from the original point are you? Must have hit a nerve there.

No, sorry! I just already answered the question. Go back and look for it.

MAC addresses can be spoofed, like many, many other technologies...

If MAC Addresses can be spoofed, then they're not credible as proof of anything, are they?

How do you know that isn't being used widely? You don't.

.

Wrong, YOU don't. You are just saying what you think you know about TCP/IP, and making a fool of yourself. Try Googling MAC addresses and you will see for yourself that everything you think you know about it is wrong.

If it were not, how do you know it is due to technological reasons? You don't.

What? Hahahahaha this last one does not even make sense. You sound like those dipshits that sell that rediculous Q Ring or whatever its called to give people vitality and energy, just from a simple bracelett.

Anyway, sorry to now put you in your place, but here is a lesson for you in TCP/IP Networking:

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model This is the industry standard OSI model for data. TCP/IP functions at Layer 3 & 4, and MAC functions at Layer 2. Layer 2 is for the physical addressing of the local network.

If you then look at the structure of the IP packet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ip_%28struct%29 you'll see that it contains IP addressing only, not MAC addressing, because that is done in the lower layers (Layer 2).

That is why the arp function is needed to translate MAC <-> IP in order to deliver on the LAN.

The only exception in modern day for MAC to leave the LAN is when a user has a Cable Modem and the Cable Modem has a MAC address, which is sent via the PPPoE protocol (or PPP for dialup) to the local ISP for uthentication to allow Cable Modem to communicate on network and to get assigned an IP address from the ISP.

Once the Cable Modem PPPoE authentication is complete, the rest of the communication occurs at a higher Layer, so there is no MAC in the IP (IP or TCP/IP or higher).

Now before you decide that "Wiki" is shit or not good enough for you, kindly offer a good, smart reply to the contrary, or please shut the fuck up.


Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Emporer:
You're on IMDB? Me too!! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0484952/

See you at the Oscar's!

Cheers!

m

Naaa, I'm waiting for my Emmy.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

And your point is? That is a lot of wasted verbiage for no real reason. I was acting in a civil manner with no real disrespect. You, in your usual apoplectic manner, once again flew off the handle. Dude, you really need to chill once in awhile. BTW, I am a real person with a real business and prolly made my first adult video while you were still jerking off to plastic bag magazines. Now fuck off and go eat your bacon and eggs and read the newspaper or something. Anything to bring down your blood pressure.

Don't like you, never have liked you, think you're a Jackass, and would prefer you simply did not exist in the world. You contribute nothing, have no value, and are really nothing more than a tiny stone in the road. You have no original ideas, never have anything positive to say, never contribute to the commerce of the world.
Don't care who you are, don't want to know about you, or anything you are doing. Would prefer you never come to my country, use the same airwaves as me, or breath the same air.
I would like to never have another interaction with you.....ever.

That clear enough?

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Don't like you, never have liked you, think you're a Jackass, and would prefer you simply did not exist in the world. You contribute nothing, have no value, and are really nothing more than a tiny stone in the road. You have no original ideas, never have anything positive to say, never contribute to the commerce of the world.
Don't care who you are, don't want to know about you, or anything you are doing. Would prefer you never come to my country, use the same airwaves as me, or breath the same air.
I would like to never have another interaction with you.....ever.

That clear enough?

But seriously Emp, how do you really feel about me? Sorry to say, I earn my living in your dollars. I take them out of your economy as you import my product. Sometimes I even cross the border and breath your air. I was even married to an American woman and would burn up your gas visiting the in laws. I have investments in your country, so I guess I own a piece of you as well. Fuck me, I must be your worst nightmare. Prolly worse than illegal mexicans stealing your jobs. Do you feel kinda threatened here in the final days of the American empire which the president you elected trashed in 5 short years? Your offshore thing apparently failed and now you are forced to manufacture in the US, but fear not, American labour is getting cheap. Now if you are nice to us we will sell you our gas and let you buy our water. BTW, I never see your product anywhere. Never have. So apart from all the bluster and bullshit you have been puking since the days of Amateur Masters when you got your ass handed to you on a plate, what exactly have you done? Emp you are a most amusing guy. A bit demented but amusing.

[CouchSitter]

Originally Posted by Toby

There's good reason to hate the term, since the vast majority of them are scams and rarely earn anyone but the site seller a dime.

Amen Toby ...

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Nah -

You're a nice person that has earned lots of respect in this business from lots of people, and represent a rock-solid company too. Congrats!

m

Aww, thanks, Mark. That's lovely to hear - especially since I am a newb.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Aww, thanks, Mark. That's lovely to hear - especially since I am a newb.

Well, at least 2 people I have talked to have said nice things to me about you, so you're obviously doing something right.

Cheers!

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

I owned that domain before I ever met you or even knew of you.. Fuck off

You're right, I'm wrong, sorry.

My records go back to May 5th last year, when I emailed you to point your domain to our servers. In order to have CCBill approve your site, you had to change your domain registration which for some reason was private.

So I guess you never took any advice, at least from us, in your several months in the industry.

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.

You can lie to our faces all you want but don't try to insinuate Michel did anything wrong.

A designer designs your site, after which you are responsible for it - you own the work. Michel was never your webmaster, you ran your own site supposedly, so you're responsible to maintain and update it.

If you didn't know how to remove the images, you could have asked me.

As you said, Michel is a profesional and one of the most ethical people I've met. You can see at http://www.3xwebdesign.com/ he's all booked up and not taking on new jobs for a while. There's a reason for that and it's not because of what you tried to smear him with in your post.

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

Yall really need to quit talking about that plug in while your ahead.
Youve assumed way to much about what Ive told you.

[DannyCox]

Okay, finally went through all four pages of this, and it was interesting in a convoluted way.

I do have a question though....how do you track someone's MAC Address?? A couple of people alluded to it being quite easy with readily available tools, but I sure can't find anything. The most I found was a tool that will return a MAC Address from the main router on a network, but nothing deeper. Doing a quick Google search, I came across Geek boards where people asked this question, and the response was "You can't, unless someone is purposely and actively broadcasting it".

So, please let me know how. I'm just curious as to how this can be done. I have a feeling I won't be getting a response.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

You can lie to our faces all you want but don't try to insinuate Michel did anything wrong.

A designer designs your site, after which you are responsible for it - you own the work. Michel was never your webmaster, you ran your own site supposedly, so you're responsible to maintain and update it.

If you didn't know how to remove the images, you could have asked me.

As you said, Michel is a profesional and one of the most ethical people I've met. You can see at http://www.3xwebdesign.com/ he's all booked up and not taking on new jobs for a while. There's a reason for that and it's not because of what you tried to smear him with in your post.

Please refer to our contract I paid 2much.net to maintain and update the website. Why would I need to call you if you were calling me to do something that was your responsibility. If you did not have permission to use photos or if permission changed - you had a fiduciary duty to me for services paid for you should have been doing YOUR JOB.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Okay, finally went through all four pages of this, and it was interesting in a convoluted way.

I do have a question though....how do you track someone's MAC Address?? A couple of people alluded to it being quite easy with readily available tools, but I sure can't find anything. The most I found was a tool that will return a MAC Address from the main router on a network, but nothing deeper. Doing a quick Google search, I came across Geek boards where people asked this question, and the response was "You can't, unless someone is purposely and actively broadcasting it".

So, please let me know how. I'm just curious as to how this can be done. I have a feeling I won't be getting a response.

Hi Danny,

That has been my question all along. I *THINK* it's impossible. According to my 2 network guru's, its impossible. I can't find anything about it on Google, and in my post earlier, I found out that MAC Addresses is simply not a part of the TCP/IP Layer.

I also posted my IP Address in a previous thread, and asked Moetheman to grab my MAC Address from it. So far, no response.

Anyway, all BS aside here, I would really really like to know if this is possible. If so, it would help us to make our credit card fraud detection system (http://www.2much.net/fraud-detection.html) even better than it already is. If we could block users by MAC Addresses, we could illiminate CC fraud altogether!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Please refer to our contract I paid 2much.net to maintain and update the website. Why would I need to call you if you were calling me to do something that was your responsibility. If you did not have permission to use photos or if permission changed - you had a fiduciary duty to me for services paid for you should have been doing YOUR JOB.

Hi Shellee!! How are you darling? Did you have fun yesterday? I sure did!

Anyway, Here goes.

Shellee:
When we made your original website, we offered you webmaster services. Then when you went to Mr. Plante, he became your new webmaster. Michel has all of the PSD (Layer) files for all of your graphics so he could make any changes you asked him to do.

What I bet happened is that you asked him for changes later and he told you he had to charge you for those changes, but you didn't want to pay him for his work.

Finally, if you look back at my older posts here SWEETHEART, you will see that not only did I ask you many times to remove the pictures, but in the end we offered to do the work FOR YOU, FOR FREE. All we needed was ANY other picture of ANY other chat model you had. You never provided us with one. (I guess that fat fuck of the On-Cam Big-Mac Eating Florida Prostitute you had stealing from you and jeopardizing your business was not someone you wanted to have on the front page of your website. Can't say I blame you.


Mark "How about a hug? Ah Camaaann??" Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Shellee!! How are you darling? Did you have fun yesterday? I sure did!

Anyway, Here goes.

Shellee:
When we made your original website, we offered you webmaster services. Then when you went to Mr. Plante, he became your new webmaster. Michel has all of the PSD (Layer) files for all of your graphics so he could make any changes you asked him to do.

What I bet happened is that you asked him for changes later and he told you he had to charge you for those changes, but you didn't want to pay him for his work.

Finally, if you look back at my older posts here SWEETHEART, you will see that not only did I ask you many times to remove the pictures, but in the end we offered to do the work FOR YOU, FOR FREE. All we needed was ANY other picture of ANY other chat model you had. You never provided us with one. (I guess that fat fuck of the On-Cam Big-Mac Eating Florida Prostitute you had stealing from you and jeopardizing your business was not someone you wanted to have on the front page of your website. Can't say I blame you.


Mark "How about a hug? Ah Camaaann??" Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Our contract speaks for itself. You are welcome to ask Michael Plant if you are correct in this assumption but I am sure he will tell you that your not. You were paid to do this service period and Michale Plante was used at your suggestion.

But isn't it pointless as I don't even do business or support your platform in any way shape or form. I think you are losing the point it was a complete waste of my time and money to work with you and nothing ever got accomplished.

I was completely disatisfied with 2much.net and you Mark Prince why would I continue to work on something destined to fail. Once again you have a huge failure rate with customers you have sold licenses not just me.

Here are a few

www.bkslive.com
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www.xxxstrippercams.com
www.southerngirlslive.com
www.icutoocams.com
www.orgasmwebkams.com
www.girlsgonecam.com
www.assworshippers.com
www.sexyteaser.com
www.sexyteaserguys.com
www.euroticalive.com
www.livemodelnetwork.com
www.365livecam.com

Right now you have one girl online and no one in paid chat - so why don't you go back to work.

[Mediaguy]

Shellee, I just remembered what this thread was about...

Are you going to hijack every thread me or Mark post in and turn it into your little 2much target range?

It's getting tiresome, really, and DirtyD made some good points that all your tepid ass-water is just obfuscating...

People should have the right to not have their real names associated with the business if that's what they want. It doesn't mean they have anything to hide.

You live in a very different world than a great majority of people Shellee, and you know it, since you're down the road from Ted Turner or Sweet Jesus or whoever.

Most of us unfortunately live in a world where the good christians in our communities will come pour diesel fuel in your jacuzzi (happened to a friend of mine) if they discover that you produce what they consume (on the sly most probably).

I'm Gregory Martin Morgan Fucking Jones and I live at 5365 Berri in Montreal, Quebec (H2J 2S7) Canada, born August 17th 1966 and I'm in a position not to care about being associated with adult (though who knows I may regret it in the future).

But I don't live in your world and never will no matter how much money I make because it's really not a question of money, that world of yours, is it?

Some people aren't so lucky, and those of us who are should respect that.

[gonzo]

Damn I was hoping for another piece of wisdom from Wikipedia.

How many girls and customers are online now?

[2MuchMark]

Shellee -

You forgot 2 important names in that list:

http://www.SexyTeaser.com: FAILURE
http://www.SexyTeaserGuys.com: FAILURE.

Its not the software that failed, Shellee, it is YOU.

LiveCamNetwork is at its most basic, A video streaming program, and an accounting program. It's is not a "get rich quick" scheme (as we even point out in our FAQ). All it does is stream video, and count money.

It can only make money for you Shellee if you:
- Know your market
- Know your content
- Know how to run a business
- Work hard, hard, very hard.

You failed on all of the above Shellee, and I will prove it to you and everyone else, right now.

One of your FAILED sites was SexyTeaserGuys.com.

The site's promise by way of teaser pictures, tour, sales pages etc, promised customers the chance to chat with Young, muscular men.

Here, everyone, is the kind of Young, Muscular Men that Shelle ACTUALLY had on her website, SexyTeaserGuys.com



And you Shellee, had the fucking nerve to complain to me that you weren't making any money. You are one fucking piece of work.

I don't know what you might call the type of actual content that you offered your customers, Shellee, but it is a safe bet to say that NONE of the "models" you listed above fit into the Young Muscular Male Niche. We tried to tell you this an endless amount of times to choose your chat models carefully. But no, you the fucking expert blew us off. Anyone can see that the guys above were a poor fit to your website.


Now take a look at this:


The above are all girls that work for LiveCamNetwork.com. (And, all of them will be online and chatting tonight for anyone who's interested in saying Hello). When we advertise, we go only for the COLLEGE GIRL traffic, and hire only COLLEGE GIRLS to chat for us (with only the rare exception).

In addition, we insist that all of the girls that work for us, talk to our customers by voice. Each girl Looks at the camera, addresses each customer by name, and is pro-active in getting them to talk. The girls (and guys) you hired did NONE OF THAT except eat Big Macs and whore themselves out to strangers on your website and demand payment by paypal instead of your own CCBill account. I don't know what your guys did but I know they didn't convert at all.

This SIMPLE business model is fairly easy for anyone to understand Shellee. When we sell our LiveCamNetwork system, we tell all of our customers Exactly how we make money and offer to help everyone to do the same, FOR FREE. If you weren't so busy telling us about your expertise, you might have learned to offer quality streams to your customers, and you might have actually made a few bucks.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

First of all,

GOOD MORNING!!!!

Next,
Moetheman:

Dude, whatever. You're the one who said Mac Address Tracking is everywhere. I'm just asking you in a really polite way, to Teach Me (and everyone else here) how this is possible.

Yawn. No one said it was everywhere. Are you functionally illiterate? You strike me as though you are.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

And if you don't know the answer, to kindly show me some links to some resources that would explain MAC Address tracking.

I am going to be generous to an ignoramus like you, and say this:

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

You don't read people's posts do you?

Just gave you a freebie, jackass.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

You are the one who is getting completely bent out of shape on all of this, not me. You said something, I asked you to prove it. You didn't. I fully admitted that I'm no networking expert but politely and calmly showed you what I found (and invited true networking experts to tell me if I was right or wrong), and then you went balistic. Score one against the professionalism (or at least professional facade) of the Adult Industry.

I don't know you, but I don't hate you, whoever you are. You hate me without even knowing me, because you have prejudged me. All I did was offer a reply to your post.

Yeah, keep clinging to saying I am angry about this. YAWN. This is entertaining, watching you resort to every trick in your conman's handbook.

LOL

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman:
No, sorry! I just already answered the question. Go back and look for it.

Please. You are the one that obviously cannot read properly.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

If MAC Addresses can be spoofed, then they're not credible as proof of anything, are they?

WRONG. Went over your head, again. One of the reasons they are credible is that it takes BRAINS to know that they even exist and how to spoof them. Proof of the fact that idiots don't know about them is you yourself.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wrong, YOU don't. You are just saying what you think you know about TCP/IP, and making a fool of yourself. Try Googling MAC addresses and you will see for yourself that everything you think you know about it is wrong.

I just solved the mystery for you and your crew . . .

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

What? Hahahahaha this last one does not even make sense. You sound like those dipshits that sell that rediculous Q Ring or whatever its called to give people vitality and energy, just from a simple bracelett.

Anyway, sorry to now put you in your place, but here is a lesson for you in TCP/IP Networking:

I just gave you one - you have been humilliated in public, how does it feel?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am starting to enjoy this.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model This is the industry standard OSI model for data. TCP/IP functions at Layer 3 & 4, and MAC functions at Layer 2. Layer 2 is for the physical addressing of the local network.

If you then look at the structure of the IP packet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ip_%28struct%29 you'll see that it contains IP addressing only, not MAC addressing, because that is done in the lower layers (Layer 2).

That is why the arp function is needed to translate MAC <-> IP in order to deliver on the LAN.

The only exception in modern day for MAC to leave the LAN is when a user has a Cable Modem and the Cable Modem has a MAC address, which is sent via the PPPoE protocol (or PPP for dialup) to the local ISP for uthentication to allow Cable Modem to communicate on network and to get assigned an IP address from the ISP.

Once the Cable Modem PPPoE authentication is complete, the rest of the communication occurs at a higher Layer, so there is no MAC in the IP (IP or TCP/IP or higher).

Now before you decide that "Wiki" is shit or not good enough for you, kindly offer a good, smart reply to the contrary, or please shut the fuck up.

Do you realize what a clown you have just shown yourself to be?

I can't wait to see what inane imbecility you are going to come back with next.

Oh, and in case you missed it, the answer you have been begging for like a little bitch since last night is in my previous post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you realize you are now my bitch?

[gonzo]

I see the disconnect here.

http://www.adult-webcam-faq.com/revi...amnetwork.html

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Yawn. No one said it was everywhere. Are you functionally illiterate? You strike me as though you are.



I am going to be generous to an ignoramus like you, and say this:

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

You don't read people's posts do you?

Just gave you a freebie, jackass.



Yeah, keep clinging to saying I am angry about this. YAWN. This is entertaining, watching you resort to every trick in your conman's handbook.

LOL

Moetheman,

I have posted several replies to yours already, with links, with details, with explanations, and with questions.

You on the other hand, of posted nothing useful back. Why bother posting a "Hint" when you can post the link OR the text and shut me up for good?

The answer is, Moetheman, is because you don't know. You have been talking out of your ass the entire time. You have had plenty of chances to prove me wrong and put me in my place.

Let me try this, Moetheman. Tell me please. For 10 points, can you tell me what the difference is, between WAN and LAN?

And for an extra 10 points, can you give me an example of an IP Address that might exist in a WAN, and one that might exist in a LAN?

Once you GOOGLE to get the answers to these 2 basic questions, do some more, and then tell me, tell the world, tell yourself, how MAC Addresses can be broadcast over WAN a protocol (TCP/IP) that does not carry that information.

Until you prove me wrong, you are just all talk, no action.

Trust me, I will apologize to you if I am wrong, but I have asked several people and done some research, and I can't find anything to the contray.

And yeah yeah, I know you hate my guts. I am avoiding the issue, whatever the fuck you say big man. Try not to repeat yourself yet again when you answer me, ok?

I'm waiting.....!!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

(and by the way, my challenge to you to tell me what my MAC Address is is now almost 24 hours old and you haven't even done that. ) Afraid I'll lie about it? Ok! Let ANYONE here post their IP address and have Mr. KNow it All display their MAC address.

Oh fuck! Even better! Select ANY IP address on the Internet that we ALL can verify with a simple traceroute or ping (not your own, dumbass!). Then tell us how YOU, you fucking GENIUS you, got the MAC address. Then post the instructions so that we can ALL reproduce this fucking magical miracle that you insist exists.

Bring it the fuck on, or Shut it the Fuck up!

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman,

I have posted several replies to yours already, with links, with details, with explanations, and with questions.

You on the other hand, of posted nothing useful back. Why bother posting a "Hint" when you can post the link OR the text and shut me up for good?

The answer is, Moetheman, is because you don't know. You have been talking out of your ass the entire time. You have had plenty of chances to prove me wrong and put me in my place.

Let me try this, Moetheman. Tell me please. For 10 points, can you tell me what the difference is, between WAN and LAN?

And for an extra 10 points, can you give me an example of an IP Address that might exist in a WAN, and one that might exist in a LAN?

Once you GOOGLE to get the answers to these 2 basic questions, do some more, and then tell me, tell the world, tell yourself, how MAC Addresses can be broadcast over WAN a protocol (TCP/IP) that does not carry that information.

Until you prove me wrong, you are just all talk, no action.

Trust me, I will apologize to you if I am wrong, but I have asked several people and done some research, and I can't find anything to the contray.

And yeah yeah, I know you hate my guts. I am avoiding the issue, whatever the fuck you say big man. Try not to repeat yourself yet again when you answer me, ok?

I'm waiting.....!!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

(and by the way, my challenge to you to tell me what my MAC Address is is now almost 24 hours old and you haven't even done that. ) Afraid I'll lie about it? Ok! Let ANYONE here post their IP address and have Mr. KNow it All display their MAC address.

Oh fuck! Even better! Select ANY IP address on the Internet that we ALL can verify with a simple traceroute or ping (not your own, dumbass!). Then tell us how YOU, you fucking GENIUS you, got the MAC address. Then post the instructions so that we can ALL reproduce this fucking magical miracle that you insist exists.

Bring it the fuck on, or Shut it the Fuck up!

I done brought it the fuck on, and owned your ass.

If your networking gurus can't figure out how to look inside a TCP packet, they are not worthy of the title.

I posted the answer, the rest is up to you. If you can't obtain the information based on that, you are even dumber than what you have shown yourself to be.

I replied to all your inane imbecilities, and I see what you are doing, another conman trick: keep replying in total disregard of what has been said, so as to "bury" what others have previously stated, for the benefit of future readers of the thread.

Once again, you are assuming that others are as ignorant and dumb as you are.

How weak . . .

Remember, you are my bitch now.

[2MuchMark]

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by moetheman

[u][i][b]You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.