Too Much Media vs. NR Media....

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Lolol... when the facts don't present themselves, make them up right?

I am on no side in this. But, that wouldn't set well with you to recognize that some of us are after the real truth and not what some friends fed us.

Back to your allegations against Chris and Tracy though. You say that you don't want to make accusations, but you have already made them by what you've said.

So, again, you gonna back up what you say or continue to just throw innuendo around?

Fact - affiliates not paid for almost 2 years those are not allegations, those have been stated by actual affiliates of Xclusive Cash that wasn't fortunate enough to be called 'friends' by Chris so they weren't offer the special deals. I don't need to be fed anything to realize that when you don't have enough money to pay hide behind an attorney

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Jace

wil76...i mean sarettah,

Thats a joke? right?????

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

wil76...i mean sarettah, I have no interest in bringing outside parties into this if they don't want to be brought in, just to appease some old fart with nothing better to do than argue about shit he has absolutely no interest in

Lol. Play that spin wheel there Alien, er I mean Jace.

You already made the accusations. You just did not give detail. Like I said before, a scumsucker tactic.

Mediator type my ass.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

please tell me what exactly I made up in this thread

exact examples please

That was in reference to the fact that you made up the fact that I was on someone's side in this.

I am not.

But I am interested in the truth which you are not.

You are apparently interested in besmirching reputations and creating innuendo because of what your friends have told you.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

I don't need to be fed anything to realize that when you don't have enough money to pay hide behind an attorney

And there can't possibly be any other reason for the lawyer, can there?

Nope, because that wouldn't fit the distorted version of stuff that you see, now would it.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Lol. Play that spin wheel there Alien, er I mean Jace.

You already made the accusations. You just did not give detail. Like I said before, a scumsucker tactic.

Mediator type my ass.

yea I know I'm not the one who didn't pay the affilaites, or taken their links off without notice.. do I need to make accusation on the obvious?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

But I am interested in the truth which you are not.

Yea that's OBVIOUS

[Jace]

i love the fact that russ and I have known each other for years, even done business together, yet when it comes to something like this, all the sudden I am not credible anymore

dude, keep getting your panties in a bunch and siding with the assholes who don't pay affiliates and run off with massive amounts of money

I will continue to side with the affiliates, if you wanna take that as me siding with vegas and angel, so be it

I am done here, there is no use arguing with will76pt2, he is always right

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

i love the fact that russ and I have known each other for years, even done business together, yet when it comes to something like this, all the sudden I am not credible anymore

dude, keep getting your panties in a bunch and siding with the assholes who don't pay affiliates and run off with massive amounts of money

I will continue to side with the affiliates, if you wanna take that as me siding with vegas and angel, so be it

I am done here, there is no use arguing with will76pt2, he is always right

That's it, run away...lolol

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

i love the fact that russ and I have known each other for years, even done business together, yet when it comes to something like this, all the sudden I am not credible anymore

I have never questioned your credibility.

I am however questioning your motives.

Please try to stay with the conversation.

Thanx in advance

[Toby]

Originally Posted by sarettah

If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed?....

And there is the rub in a nutshell. I don't believe that John's phone call in Aug 2006 was the first time that Chris had been made aware of the rebill problem. Blake's deposition details a number of occassions where Chris is involved in conversations about it and I don't think Blake lied about them in his deposition.

Ohhh, and for the record, I have no personal relationship with ANY of the parties involved in the lawsuit.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Toby

And there is the rub in a nutshell. I don't believe that John's phone call in Aug 2006 was the first time that Chris had been made aware of the rebill problem. Blake's deposition details a number of occassions where Chris is involved in conversations about it and I don't think Blake lied about them in his deposition.

Ohhh, and for the record, I have no personal relationship with ANY of the parties involved in the lawsuit.

Yeah, but Chris says there was a brief discussion at some point and that was all there was and he has the chat logs to back him up.

That is a telling point to me. Chris and Tracy have documentation. When Blake is asked if he does he does not say, well I would if I could get on the company's computer or something like that, he says, no. (period) He does not have documentation.

My personal feelings on this after doing all the fucking reading, and this is with a good deal of supposition thrown in, is something like this:

Chris, Tracy, Blake and Amy start a company. Blake is the tech guy. By accident, Blake puts in a wrong user/pass co on the CCB datalink. He finds that several months down the road and is like "Oh shit". So, he talks to TMM and finds out the data is not lost and tells them to start correcting it. He sees how fast the money is piling up and is again "Oh shit" and tells them to turn it off. Somewhere in there he tells Chris there is a problem but they do not go into detail, Chris asks is it being handled, Blake says yep and that is the end of it as far as conversation goes. Blake forgets that he put the issue on hold because of shows and shit. They get back to it months later and he turns the repull back on sees the same issue with it mounting up too quick, stops the process while he wrestles with what to about it.

Meanwhile, Chris and Tracy decide that Blake and Amy must go because of other issues. They do the split up and are unaware that the rebill issue is still sitting there until Chris gets his phone call from Albright. The call does not go well and within hours (literally) lawyers are involved and all action comes to a halt.

And then it sits because of the oh so fast speed of our legal system.

Like I say, a lot of supposition in there.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Yeah, but Chris says there was a brief discussion at some point and that was all there was and he has the chat logs to back him up.

That is a telling point to me. Chris and Tracy have documentation. When Blake is asked if he does he does not say, well I would if I could get on the company's computer or something like that, he says, no. (period) He does not have documentation.

My personal feelings on this after doing all the fucking reading, and this is with a good deal of supposition thrown in, is something like this:

Chris, Tracy, Blake and Amy start a company. Blake is the tech guy. By accident, Blake puts in a wrong user/pass co on the CCB datalink. He finds that several months down the road and is like "Oh shit". So, he talks to TMM and finds out the data is not lost and tells them to start correcting it. He sees how fast the money is piling up and is again "Oh shit" and tells them to turn it off. Somewhere in there he tells Chris there is a problem but they do not go into detail, Chris asks is it being handled, Blake says yep and that is the end of it as far as conversation goes. Blake forgets that he put the issue on hold because of shows and shit. They get back to it months later and he turns the repull back on sees the same issue with it mounting up too quick, stops the process while he wrestles with what to about it.

Meanwhile, Chris and Tracy decide that Blake and Amy must go because of other issues. They do the split up and are unaware that the rebill issue is still sitting there until Chris gets his phone call from Albright. The call does not go well and within hours (literally) lawyers are involved and all action comes to a halt.

And then it sits because of the oh so fast speed of our legal system.

Like I say, a lot of suppostion in there.

That is exactly what Chris wanted you to believe. Congratulations, it's official, you've been manipulated.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Toby

That is exactly what Chris wanted you to believe. Congratulations, you've officially been manipulated.

Actually I go most of that from Blakes depositions and it is not what I believe. It is a possible version. If Chris has been putting that out there I haven't seen it.

I have no idea what to believe and what not to believe.

[Hell Puppy]

It's official.

I'm bored with this whole thing.

[EmporerEJ]

This has become officially too complicated for me.
It has turned into a bad deal all around.
I had no idea it was this bad in the industry, and it makes me sad.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

This has become officially too complicated for me.
It has turned into a bad deal all around.
I had no idea it was this bad in the industry, and it makes me sad.

Its been at the point where the lawyers will have to sort it out.

Discovery is going to be unreal on this. I think weve only just begun.

EJ its been this bad in this business for as long as I can remember. More people are just louder now and dont hide it.

As the scramble becomes tighter for the cash grab you will see more of it.
Ive already heard tales of self important program reps saber rattling with exclimations of "Do they know who they are fucking with?" at the forum.

Starbucks is a future ambitious goal for them.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Its been at the point where the lawyers will have to sort it out.

Discovery is going to be unreal on this. I think weve only just begun.

EJ its been this bad in this business for as long as I can remember. More people are just louder now and dont hide it.

As the scramble becomes tighter for the cash grab you will see more of it.
Ive already heard tales of self important program reps saber rattling with exclimations of "Do they know who they are fucking with?" at the forum.

Starbucks is a future ambitious goal for them.

It does them no good to fight to hold a share of the decreasing market with increasing competition. Reminds me of the buggy whip manufacturers from "other people's Money."

See "Proprietary interest" in another thread.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

It does them no good to fight to hold a share of the decreasing market with increasing competition. Reminds me of the buggy whip manufacturers from "other people's Money."

See "Proprietary interest" in another thread.

IMHO if you want to watch how it will go. Observe how the studios are dealing with decreased DVD sales.

Same market... different verticle.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

IMHO if you want to watch how it will go. Observe how the studios are dealing with decreased DVD sales.

Same market... different verticle.

Yes indeedy.....different delivery vehicle. That certainly sounds like a good idea!