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Old 04-29-2005   #101
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With all due respect to both Nick and KK, morals don't have anything to do with this situation.

This is business, pure and simple; and, if an employee acts in a way that can cost the company current or future revenues, then the situation calls for an action, be it a lecture or a firing.
Brad you got to realize some people's value system consists of "He's a good guy....he bought me drinks."

Dont take a stand against anything and soon you will fall down. All I can say is I hope some pople enjoy their time in this business. The next job might not have these types of parties to attend.
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The sad thing is, it's not just the employees - it's the company owners and principals as well that get away with type of behavior pretty much scot-free. You don't have to be "content" to be treated badly by drunken "professionals". Not only is it humiliating for the woman when it happens to then, being the subject of debate about it later is even more embarassing. Good thing the women in this business are tough.
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Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.
Thanks for validating what I've been posting.
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Gonzo , mate ,

If you fall off that horse mate it sure is gonna smart!!!! LOL

I have first hand experience of waaaaaayyyyyyyy worse happening at conferences for Stockbrokers , and Lloyds brokers , in the 80s or 90s.
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Pretty hard to keep beating on a kid when he has apologised.

Rinaldo has apologised to all involved.

I think this thread has run its course.

Though it is interesting seeing the ripe mixture of "holier than thou" and boardwhores acting like a "C" Class porn actress at an orgy (ie Not knowing whose cock to suck next) LOL

Good thread though gonzo...
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Gonzo , mate ,

If you fall off that horse mate it sure is gonna smart!!!! LOL

I have first hand experience of waaaaaayyyyyyyy worse happening at conferences for Stockbrokers , and Lloyds brokers , in the 80s or 90s.
.... but you know I wont.

Call it a high horse or a soapbox if you want to but I know you know thats this is how I was raised. Just because I peddle pussy doesnt meant that I check morality and common decency at the door.

Speaking of horses though... we got both sides of the story now so Ill find some more shit to stir!
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Rinaldo, I never cared about what you did as much as how you handled it after the fact. I am friends with her, and had you just said sorry, I would have advised her to just let it go (not that i would have had to). You brought it on yourself by insulting her. You are kind of the guy that cheated on his girl and then bragged to all her friends about it. It isn't the worst thing, hell, if we are speaking in terms of just being intoxicated, I could likely match you. You just aren't very good at damage control. As most will tell you, I am

Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

VooMan, thanks brother. Always good seeing you.

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done
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""""One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show.""""


Does that translate to "kiss up to everyone who might be important" ?


;-))))

And that isn't a criticism. Its a very necessary job.
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Rinaldo, I never cared about what you did as much as how you handled it after the fact. I am friends with her, and had you just said sorry, I would have advised her to just let it go (not that i would have had to). You brought it on yourself by insulting her. You are kind of the guy that cheated on his girl and then bragged to all her friends about it. It isn't the worst thing, hell, if we are speaking in terms of just being intoxicated, I could likely match you. You just aren't very good at damage control. As most will tell you, I am

Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

VooMan, thanks brother. Always good seeing you.

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done
Cory, Cory, Cory....

for someone that likes to keep reminding everyone how mature he is, and how to deal with their problems,

You sure do seem to dwell on you own, and sling shit

FUCKING HYPOCRITE

and you know exactly what I am talking about, so live by your own words .
Try that out once see how it is how about that ?
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Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

No holy water here. Im not catholic.
Here are a few facts for you though since the Confucy episode seems to be a curiosity.

1. I never sent anyone to anybodys home.
2. A person with A camera does not constitute a camera crew.
3. If your information is publically availible on the internet how can it be called private? It's published to the world.

Information wants to be free.
As you say though each to their own. We just don't share the same views.
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Does that translate to "kiss up to everyone who might be important" ?


;-))))

And that isn't a criticism. Its a very necessary job.
Maybe? Not sure. I pretty much try to befriend anyone I can. That includes you

In all honesty however, I am like that outside of this industry. I pretty much talk to everyone. Like I say, my only real notable board drama was here. That isn't too bad.

I see people at shows that despise talking to others. I never get that.
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I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
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I think you are both saying the same thing lol.....

I'm just happy everyone is nice to me


I guess it cause I'm so nice and pleasant and good looking too.....

or is it the ability to send 100 plus sales a day.... ;-))))

Nawwww all these people like me cause I'm real nice , not cause I can send joins....

I must stop being so cynical.

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I'm also happy that the people I do business with are friends that I have done business with for years , Oprano family.

I seriously don't know most of the names on GFY....

Who is whose rep , and who owns a little proggie...

Thank fuck for Oprano family , so I can just deal with them.
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Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
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Cory,

Say it isn't rinaldo...say its Weg's biggest Whale.

What are you gonna do?
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There is no black and white only shades of grey.
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Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

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b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.
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I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
There you go.

My point exactly. His mistake was after the events
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Cory,

Say it isn't rinaldo...say its Weg's biggest Whale.

What are you gonna do?
I can honestly say that WEG HAS refused to do business with "whales" based on unprofessional things said on and off the boards.

J&J may be good Jews, but they're better people and I've seen them leave money on the table just on principle. It's one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for them (and the rest of the company....except for that Gabe fellow....).
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Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff
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200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????


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Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????


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Cory said HE wouldn't I said I've seen WEG do it. Apples and oranges.
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Peaches is right. Sounds strange, but she is right.

I said I wouldn't. But at the end of the day, the owners make the decisions

I can plead a great case. But it always depends on what happened. It just doesn't come up that often.
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I'd like to say for the record , for me this is good natured ribbing.

Not a piss.

I have no problem with Cory (don't know the guy but am looking fwd to meeting him) and frankly have always liked peaches after years of arguing with her on boards.

I just like watching people who take the high ground squirm when it turns into a morass underneath them.

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