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Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle.
But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."
Do you get that was intentional fraud, does with a purpose to deceive?!!
Everyone knows Rush is a windbag, Moore's presents his work as factual when he on many occasions purposely presents fraudulent material that he with willful intent produced
Using statistics and giving your own spin is one thing, totally fabricating scenarios and presenting them in film as factual (and accepting an Oscar for them) is totally another
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Vick, MOORE LIED.... can I say it any louder? Foir a two hour movie seen ONCE bya few million people, he lied.
Rush has what size audience? How often? How long?
Vick, let me repeat myself MICHAEL MOORE LIED IN HIS MOVIE.
Rush Limbaugh deceives people every day.
What part of this are you not understanding? It's the difference between getting drunk once and being an alcoholic!
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Vick, btw, yes I read that... have you considered PERHAPS that these people, after being trapped in a bullshit situation, decided to try to shoft the blame a little bit? The cameras didn't just appear out of thin air, now did they?
But that's not the point.
One guy did something that maybe got him an award in a less than honest way.
One guy on a daily basis spreads venom, half truths, and misleading facts which affects the way people vote...
I don't know, I can't really tell which one changes my life more... it's so hard to tell the difference... a few less votes here and there and you would all be bashing a democrat right now.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 31 2003, 11:27 AM Colin, it isn't just about "seeing things your way"... there is alot more to it.
I think it is.
It's no different than a liberal who gets upset when Bush acts without UN approval but didn't care when Clinton acted without UN approval.
It's no different than a conservative who got upset at Clinton for wanting to bomb Iraq in 1998 and then suddenly becomes in favor of a war against Iraq in 2003.
This says nothing about Rush Limbaugh nor about conservatives in general. It has everything to do with people.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 31 2003, 11:52 AM Vick, MOORE LIED.... can I say it any louder? Foir a two hour movie seen ONCE bya few million people, he lied.
Rush has what size audience? How often? How long?
Vick, let me repeat myself MICHAEL MOORE LIED IN HIS MOVIE.
Rush Limbaugh deceives people every day.
What part of this are you not understanding? It's the difference between getting drunk once and being an alcoholic!
Alex
Are we still discussing ethics or has the subject changed to the "liberal media" vs. the "conservative media" now? Alex looks like he is trying to change the subject from ethics to effects.
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Colin, are you not reading? It isn't about "this side or that side" - but the difference between being dishonest in a movie (once) and being less than honest daily (on radio).
The difference is that you probably agree with much of what Rush has to say, so you don't see the dishonestly. I don't agree with either of these people, so it is easier for me to see the deceptions from both...
I see both of them being like the "clinton bodycount" that Mike posted a while back... both use just enough truth to hang their version of bullshit on... just that Rush and his ilk get to do it 5 days a week...
Alex
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Alex - I still can't get past this which I posted earlier
"Using statistics and giving your own spin is one thing, totally fabricating scenarios and presenting them in film as factual (and accepting an Oscar for them) is totally another"
I guess what you're saying is it's untruths in one fashion or another and what their reach and effect are
What I saying is the difference between using stats to your advantage to support your argument by presentation (Rush) versus not bothering with stats and instead making up your own reality as presenting it is truth (Moore)
I see Moore as much worse and his acts as criminal and heinous, the fact he accepted an Oscar for documentary when in fact his work is fiction makes a huge statement about Moore
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QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 31 2003, 11:56 AM)
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 31 2003, 12:22 PM Colin, are you not reading? It isn't about "this side or that side" - but the difference between being dishonest in a movie (once) and being less than honest daily (on radio).
The difference is that you probably agree with much of what Rush has to say, so you don't see the dishonestly. I don't agree with either of these people, so it is easier for me to see the deceptions from both...
Did you miss the post above where I said "No, I actually agree with you. Rush Limbaugh does exactly what you are saying" or are you starting another round of selectively reading?
You have made a leap from someone's actions to claiming to know someone's intentions. Short of being able to read minds, you are presenting pure speculation as fact and then accusing me of being blind to it. Too funny.
Do you realize how absurd it is to present your thoughts about someone's intentions as fact?
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Vick, how often can I repeat this: Moore lied. that sucks. He is a moron for doing it. He lied for one movie, for one award that is nothing but a naked gold guy. Big fat hairy deal. Does it affect your day to day life?
Having to say "President Gore" would certainly make your day different, wouldn't it?
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Colin, I saw your "political chart" that you so carefully recorded for each of us and posted the results. You are VERY likely to agree with alot of what Rush has to say... he is playing to your preferences...
I have two facts... based on them, I can suspect how you feel about the message (if not the man).
Vick, I can't imagine that an Academy Award is the same as who runs the US. An amusing concept, but not likely. :-)
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Bowling for Columbine (and Moore's other works) is taken seriously and as truth by many and has shaped public opinion
Wining a prestigious award add credence to Moore's work
Long story short - A good friend lives in NYC, works for CBS radio, college educated, intelligent with a good career. Saw Bowling for Columbine and believed the movie, that colored her opinion which influences her actions including voting
and that is how Moore's work in a small way effects other's lives
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 31 2003, 12:46 PM Colin, I saw your "political chart" that you so carefully recorded for each of us and posted the results. You are VERY likely to agree with alot of what Rush has to say... he is playing to your preferences...
I have two facts... based on them, I can suspect how you feel about the message (if not the man).
Actually, there were two political tests.
I think if you look at the other political test I took that I only agree with 33% of the Republican party platform which I feel is about right. I would assume Limbaugh is nearly in complete agreement with the Republican party platform so by that logic I would agree with about 33%. Is that bad or good on your eyes?
I am anti-death penalty, pro-abortion, believe the welfare system is ok the way it is, etc.
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Pro - in favor of
Abortion - a medical proceedure that terminates a pregnancy.
Pro Choice is some watered down soft speak, I like to call things what they are, "Pro Choice" as it is used, simply means keeping abortion legal, there are a large number of "Pro Choice" activists that are completely against counseling of adoption, or other options.
I am by the way "Pro Abortion" I believe it is an acceptable method of birth control.
Did you ever notice that most of the people against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place ? - George Carlin
In addition to being Pro Abortion I am also
Pro Free Speech
Pro Gun
Pro Death Penalty
Pro Drug Legalization
I am also all for taking the words "Under God" out of the Pledge becasue they weren't in there to begin with, however I do completely support the right of a religious child to say grace before eating his or her lunch in a public place.
Originally posted by OldJeff@Mar 31 2003, 02:06 PM however I do completely support the right of a religious child to say grace before eating his or her lunch in a public place.
Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 31 2003, 12:31 PM The funniest part of it all is the same people that were pissed off at Clinton for not getting UN permission are the same people now pissed off that he didn't finish the job. History has been carefully re-written to show that Clinton backed down... that he wimped out. Those same people never mention that things could have been fixed in 1991... and we wouldn't be here now.
Alex,
You are so easy. You just pulled a Rush Limbaugh.
Now let's look at the silly thing you just said. You intentionally left out the parts of the argument that would quickly and simply nullify your argument.
If the debate is whether the US should only act militarily with UN approval, why would you
point to a conservative president that DID act with UN approval? Bush II didn't have a UN
resolution. Clinton didn't have a UN resolution. Bush Sr. did and he followed it.
Am I to understand you that you think Bush Sr. should have acted outside of the UN resolution
in order for future presidents to act with in it?
No, of course not. EXACTLY like you claim of Rush Limbaugh, you presented facts that support your position, even if they are are very misleading and impertinent. Besides, it contradicts the original thesis, it doesn't support it.
Bush Sr. is a shining example of how one WOULD get UN approval for an action.
You'll notice that I gave an example of where both conservatives and liberals were being
inconsistent.
"It's no different than a liberal who gets upset when Bush acts without UN approval but didn't care when Clinton acted without UN approval."
"It's no different than a conservative who got upset at Clinton for wanting to bomb Iraq in 1998 and then suddenly becomes in favor of a war against Iraq in 2003."
You jumped all over the one and not that other. Why? It has nothing to do with objectivity. You are attempting to choose an arbitrary starting point in a sequence of historical events to demonstrate your point.
Worst of all, you contradicted the original argument in order to try and show that "conservatives are wrong", not to try and demonstrate an honest assessment.
You are a liberal Rush Limbaugh.
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OldJeff, sometimes people hide behind things... "pro choice" is a soft term (like middle of the road) used to cover alot of people with alot of different opinions... an attempt to get them all to salute the same flag.
On that basis, let me adjust my position statement slightly: It is up to the woman, on an individual case basis, to do what she thinks is right under the circumstances. Nobody should restrict her from making the choices she needs to make - she is the one stuck with the concequences for at least 18 years and nine months.
Ever notice that most of the protestors at abortion rallies (both sides) are men? It's sick.
Vick, how many people saw Moore's movie? How many people listen to Rush (and the other commentators pseudo-journalists out there)? Who does the most damage?
Off to the gym... later y'all.
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Pro-choice. No one has the right to "do what they want with their body". By that logic, everyone should be able to do shoot up heroin, smoke crack, and should sure as hell be able to drive down the street without a seatbelt.
I'm pro-abortion.
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Originally posted by Colin@Mar 31 2003, 01:18 PM By that logic, everyone should be able to do shoot up heroin, smoke crack, and should sure as hell be able to drive down the street without a seatbelt.
as long as you don't do #1 and or #2 while doing #3
.... eh Fuck if I know
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Notice Alex that no one has accused you of being balanced? in your mind it is because everyone else does not "get it", the are "brainwashed" and they "just can't see the truth". however, if thats what you need to tell yourself, to both tolerate yourself and struggle through one more day of being Alex, its understandable. living a life of paranoia, insecurity and fear cant be a easy thing to deal with and i wont pretend to feel your pain. i will simply give you my sympathy.
Here is a perfect example of the absurdity of being you:
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Colin, I saw your "political chart" that you so carefully recorded for each of us and posted the results. You are VERY likely to agree with alot of what Rush has to say... he is playing to your preferences...
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The difference is that you probably agree with much of what Rush has to say, so you don't see the dishonestly. I don't agree with either of these people, so it is easier for me to see the deceptions from both...
one side is biased... because they dont agree with you and your views. you clearly have opposite political views... yet you feel you have a perfectly balanced opinion. hmm... how does that work Alex? How is it that Colins perception of Rush Limbaugh is less valid than yours because he may be "more likely to agree with him" and your views are MORE valid because you may be LESS likely to agree with him?
has it not yet occured to you that your views may possibly be slightly less than balanced? You are so far left on the political scale that you have created a whole new territory of "i hate all Republican assholes" and you feel that you are the only one that see the whole truth?
your attitude and is no different than that of Hitler, of Charles Manson or of any serial killer who heard voices in his head telling him to kill. They all "saw something NO ONE else saw" - the all believed it to be the truth. The all believed that they say the "true facts". Of course comparing your attitude and warped perceptions of the world to those of Charles Mansons may not be a fair comparison since significantly more people agreed with him than with you.
why dont you start the thread you are really waiting to start - "America never went to the moon and anyone who believed it is a friggin moron"
JR, I am so sorry. You are right, I am wrong. You are perfect. You are the best. One day I will have all the knowledge you do, and then I will be the second best person in the world, because you will be the best. You are totally perfect, non-biased, totally informed, and always 100% on the ball.
I am in awe.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Mar 31 2003, 06:37 PM JR, I am so sorry. You are right, I am wrong. You are perfect. You are the best. One day I will have all the knowledge you do, and then I will be the second best person in the world, because you will be the best. You are totally perfect, non-biased, totally informed, and always 100% on the ball.
I am in awe.
Alex
Alex i am beginning to suspect that sense of "awe" you feel 24/7 is actually autism. Though of course i am flattered, i feel that its only right to tell you that it has nothing to do with me.
I NEVER said i am right, i know more or my opinion is better than anyone elses. I simply know the difference between opinion and fact.
I state opinions. I say what i "think". I dont think that my opinions are any better than anyone elses. I dont waste my time saying things like "you just dont get it" - because unlike you, i realize that more often than not, there is the possibility that "i just dont get it".
I think you are an ass. not because i dissagree with you. not because i know that we have opposite or opposing views politically... not because i am probably a little more conservative in my views than you. i think your an ass because you spend all of your time trying to subtly explain to people why they are fucked in the head, why your opinions are actaully fact and why in spite of your obvious political bias, that your opinion is the only balanced opinion on this green earth.
you can keep making stupid replys and repeating the same thing again and again "you are right, i am wrong" etc. or you could try for once to defend yourself and your aguments.
be a man and explain this:
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Colin, I saw your "political chart" that you so carefully recorded for each of us and posted the results. You are VERY likely to agree with alot of what Rush has to say... he is playing to your preferences...
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The difference is that you probably agree with much of what Rush has to say, so you don't see the dishonestly. I don't agree with either of these people, so it is easier for me to see the deceptions from both...
You try to make the point that Colins opinion about Rush Limbaugh is less valid than your opinion about Rush Limbaugh because Colin may be more likely to agree with Rush Limbaugh than you.
You then continue to argue that your opinion is MORE valid because you dont agree with Rush Limbaugh but dont seem to acknowledge that since you dont agree with Rush Limbaugh you may in fact be more likely to see anything he would see in a negative light which in my opinion is no more balanced than agreeing with him.
Go out on a limb big guy and explain to me and others how Colins view may be biased in this example, whiles yours would not be.
Originally posted by OldJeff@Mar 31 2003, 10:06 AM Pro Abortion - what is it ?
Pro - in favor of
Abortion - a medical proceedure that terminates a pregnancy.
Pro Choice is some watered down soft speak, I like to call things what they are, "Pro Choice" as it is used, simply means keeping abortion legal, there are a large number of "Pro Choice" activists that are completely against counseling of adoption, or other options.
I am by the way "Pro Abortion" I believe it is an acceptable method of birth control.
Did you ever notice that most of the people against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place ? - George Carlin
In addition to being Pro Abortion I am also
Pro Free Speech
Pro Gun
Pro Death Penalty
Pro Drug Legalization
I am also all for taking the words "Under God" out of the Pledge becasue they weren't in there to begin with, however I do completely support the right of a religious child to say grace before eating his or her lunch in a public place.
Interesting, I've never heard someone who's pro-choice say they're against any other alternatives. That's what the "choice" part is about, with abortion being just one of a few.
And going by Colin's definition, I'd have to say I'm definitely pro-choice. Shoot all the heroin you want, smoke all the crack you want -- as long as your choices don't infringe on other people's, by imperiling or depriving them of life, liberty or property, fuckin' have at it, I say. Legalize all drugs and tax it heavily enough to cover rehab programs... works for me.
Except perhaps for the Death Penalty position, I'm "pro" pretty much everything else on your list, OldJeff. That matter I'm still mulling over (along with open borders and free trade).
JR, you are right again. You are right about everything. Everyone should just stop thinking and follow what you say. You are perfect.
You are the man.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 1 2003, 12:17 AM JR, you are right again. You are right about everything. Everyone should just stop thinking and follow what you say. You are perfect.
You are the man.
Alex
why would anyone stop thinking Alex? how did i say or imply that?
I see quite a bit of evidence that you think very little as it is and i certainly would not encourage you to think less. the world does not need a drooling, diaper wearing, RawAlex 200 pound paperweight.
how about just pointing out what it is that i dont understand in your logic that seems to me to be clearly flawed?
Originally posted by cj@Apr 1 2003, 01:12 AM jesus JR, get over it already!!
don't you have anything better to do than give alex shit day after day?!!!?
cj, the funniest part is that he just doesn't get the humor... and doesn't realize that any question that starts with some variation of "hey asshole" doesn't get much attention...
But, he's the man. he is perfect. he knows this and is just playing. Got to love them those perfect people come down and play with us mere mortal 200 pound paperweights.
Alex
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you stop it too young man or you'll go to your room and no television and NO COMPUTER for a week!!
and if that's not enough, both of you can stay in your room together until you sort this out like mature adults!!
and if you STILL can't behave appropriately, i'll send you both to daddy serge's house for a week and have him describe the last 6 weeks with a kidney stone in explicit detail!!!
Originally posted by cj@Apr 1 2003, 01:12 AM jesus JR, get over it already!!
don't you have anything better to do than give alex shit day after day?!!!?
CJ, i admit that i am being very childish at times. sometimes its just to vent. sometimes its just because i personally find humor in something i posted.
Its his constant condescending tone, while trying to explain to everyone they are wrong that annoys me. its one thing to present an opinion and defend it. its another thing entirely to present opinion as fact, talk down to people because they have different views and then begin posts with remarks like "you just dont get it" while dancing around the questions.
I have tremendous respect for PornoDoggy. He has changed my views on many things and caused me to come more to center due to his ability to provide a balanced argument. He often does so knowing that the odds are not in his favor when he presents an argument that he knows will not be popular.
Alex simply spends his time trying to get everyone to understand that Alex is right. that Alex's perceptions are the only truths and that his opinions are fact. that to me is really annoying. it does not make it right for me to flip him shit... but at the same time, he does it while evading tough questions because he knows where they are leading. which really annoys me to no end.
People can attack me all they want. people have and people sometimes do. anyone who gets offended by something said on a messageboard has no business posting on messageboards. all messageboards are the same... whether they are about math, religion, investing or porn. the characters are the same... the conversations are the same and the arguments are often the same.
MikeAI, Vick and others were calling me a traitor and Communist when i was suggesting it was contradictory to assassinate Hussein in the name of democracy and freedom to choose. thats life. i dont respect them any less and i understand their opinions and why they feel strongly about what they said. they made their points and defended them. i respect that. thats what messageboards are often about. its almost never pretty. its certainly what this messageboard is about. i certainly never got pissy about it, threatened lawsuits or threatened to hurt them, their families and their business as Alex did with me.
I do have better things to do that flip him shit everyday BTW. i have reduced myself to flipping him shit every 3-4 days now.
you've said it over and over, and its still a lame argument. you are posting to me, but really you are using it as a big disguise for yet another random dig at alex.
you see it that he is claiming he is right, i see it as he is arguing a point he feels might be right and is trying to get you to understand but you have absolutely no intention of trying to understand it because you've already made up your mind.
its frustrating reading it because you are both usually trying to say exactly the same thing, but you are both so stubborn and childish over whatever big dick contest you have going on that you sit there picking apart sentence structure and single words and trying to trap each other into saying shit that you can use as ammunition in your argument of WHY ALEX/JR IS A MORON.
you obviously both know a whole bunch of stuff the other one doesn't and you obviously both have strengths of knowledge in specific areas and weaknesses in others. both of you continue to raise valid points, but you will never learn from each other because you are too busy picking apart every verb and suffix you don't agree with!
for fucks sake, is it really all that important??!?!?
now, finish doing your chores and go straight back to your rooms!!!
for fucks sake, is it really all that important??!?!?
cj, that's the reason I won't play with JR anymore on the boards... it isn't going anywhere... it just ain't fun like this...
can I have some ice cream too? :P
Alex
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i had this image of the 2 of you locked in a room, with a pile of encyclopedia's and reference books around you, both yelling at each other about the decor, and how it relates to politics.
fuck, now i feel like an icecream sundae with banana and crushed nuts and chocolate fudge ... of this list, i can eat the banana. yippee!
Alex, if you think Rush is bad, you should take a listen to Michael Savage.
Let's just say he's the right-wing Howard Stern of politics.
I despise him and the self-tooting horn he rode in on.
I used to be pro-abortion, and then I got pregnant and realized I had a baby in me.
Now, I don't see abortion as "birth control" (which should be called "pregnancy control" because it stops pregnancy, not birth), I see it as killing a baby.
If that makes me a wacko, so be it.
Btw, back to the original question of the thread - I voted for Bush. The thought of Gore being President literally terrified me, with his national ID card and national database and all of that socialist crap.
Do I agree with everything Bush has done? Hell no.
And doesn't it figure, the only Democrat I would've loved to have voted for just got put into prison. *sigh* (Beam me up, Scotty!)
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ok. i will be nice and explain myself in the nicest way possible because i feel that this is an important behavior to notice when it comes to politics. we are all guilty of being biased. we all think we are not.
first let me clear the air and say that i personally dont like Rush Limbaugh at all. i share many of the same opinions that Alex does.
But this is about a basic flaw in human behavior that we all have, not about politics or Rush Limbaugh.
here is what Alex said:
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Rush Limbaugh deceives people every day.
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One guy on a daily basis spreads venom, half truths, and misleading facts which affects the way people vote...
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I remember last summer driving across the US, listening to Rush (AM radio travels further) and trying not to laugh out loud that anyone would fall for his actions.
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The difference is that you probably agree with much of what Rush has to say, so you don't see the dishonestly. I don't agree with either of these people, so it is easier for me to see the deceptions from both...
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Colin, I saw your "political chart" that you so carefully recorded for each of us and posted the results. You are VERY likely to agree with alot of what Rush has to say... he is playing to your preferences...
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The difference is that you probably agree with much of what Rush has to say, so you don't see the dishonestly. I don't agree with either of these people, so it is easier for me to see the deceptions from both...
this is what i am trying to say:
Alex characterizes Colins opinion of Rush Limbaugh as being biased because Colin is more likely to agree with what Rush Limbaugh says (supported by the political test which for the sake of this conversation can assume is accurate)
Alex then admits repeatedly to having a negative opinion of Rush Limbaugh and has said in the past that he has a negative opinion of Rush Limbaugh listeners - and used that fact to say that his opinion is MORE balanced because he is more likely to see the negative side of Rush Limbaughs preachings (i.e. the "half truths" etc).
What i was trying to point out (in the wrong way obviously) is that Alex is also biased (admittedly) AGAINST Rush Limbaugh which also causes him to both view Rush Limbaugh and his opinions in a negative light. It causes him to focus more on the "half truths" rather than weigh each thing said on its own merits. i think that the only way he could argue that his opinion about Rush Limbaugh is more valid than Colins is if he could prove that he had absolutely no opinion whatsoever about Conservative and Liberal politics and the Republican and Democratic parties, Rush Limbaughs politics and Colin.
Its my belief that we all behave pretty much in this way. we all see people, opinions, beliefs and ideas that we agree with in a more favorable light and those that we disagree with in a more negative light and we are almost incapable of weighing them evenly and without bias. i personally dont think its possible to do so.
This plays out on GFY at least 100 times a day. "CNN is propoganda, Channel 5 in Porvo, Finland tells the real truth (or the "my news is better than your news" debate)" - the reality is that one side is telling the news from a perspective that is relevent to the USA, US politics and current events that effect the USA and the other is telling the news from the perspective of people who live in a tiny, sleepy town in the Baltic Sea whos greatest concerns are how to grow a better potato and certainly not where is "osama bin laden" and "how do we deal with terrorism in the 21st century". This is what i believe to be the "accidental bias" of media worldwide. it leads to opinions and world views that are accidentally biased. no matter how bad we dont want to believe that they are.
I dont believe that i am balanced in any of my opinions. i try to be. i want to believe at times that i am. but i really dont even believe that its possible to be. i find myself constantly accepting statements from people i like, agree with or respect with less question than those of people who i dont - at which point i then immediately find 6000 ways to rip that statement and that person apart. Alex does the same thing in my opinion... but he does so while trying to present admittedly biased opinions as balanced and accurate facts.
Originally posted by Torone@Mar 29 2003, 09:55 AM Here's something nobody seems to grasp...
Limbaugh may inject his own opinions; but when he presents something as truth, it is the truth. With the number of Libs, etc out there trying to discredit him, he has to research it very carefully.
Torone, what would be proving bias by posting a link that points out a lot of errors in Rush Limbaughs book (a book of which its main purpose was to discredit liberals) and remarks on his radio show
does this prove something about Dig?
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)
REALITY: Nicotine's addictiveness has been reported in medical literature since the turn of the century. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's 1988 report on nicotine addiction left no doubts on the subject; "Today the scientific base linking smoking to a number of chronic diseases is overwhelming, with a total of 50,000 studies from dozens of countries," states Encyclopedia Britannica's 1987 "Medical and Health Annual."
what about this remark:
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: "The videotape of the Rodney King beating played absolutely no role in the conviction of two of the four officers. It was pure emotion that was responsible for the guilty verdict."
or this:
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: "You know the Clintons send Chelsea to the Sidwell Friends private school.... A recent eighth grade class assignment required students to write a paper on 'Why I Feel Guilty Being White".'... My source for this story is CBS News. I am not making it up." (Radio show, quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times, 1/16/94.)
REALITY: When Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times called CBS, the network denied running such a story. Ellis Turner, the director of external affairs for Sidwell Friends, told Roeper: "There is no legitimacy to the story that has been circulating.... We're anxious to let people know that this story is not true." The essay topic would be particularly difficult for the 28 percent of the school's student body that is not white.
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh constantly tells his audience that he doesn't make personal or ad hominem attacks. To a caller who had a problem with his personalized attacks, Limbaugh responded with a denial: "Give me a specific example: who, what, when, where, and what exactly did I say?" (Radio show, 2/18/94)
REALITY: One hour before that call, Limbaugh was telling his audience that a 5,000-year-old man found buried in ice--pictured on the cover of Time magazine--was really Sally Jesse Raphael: "This is just what Sally Jesse Raphael looks like without makeup!"
what about this nice one:
Quote:
LIMBAUGH: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)
I have never seen edits like that before. I am impressed, I guess.
JR, I read your entire thing... one word stood out in the "quotes" section:
"PROBABLY".
You are taking for fact things that I am saying are probable. I remember Colin's little X/Y po;litical chart being something like +5 -1, or so... fairly strongly on the conservative side of things. On that basis, he probably agrees with Rush much more that I would (I was near the middle, -1 -3, I think it was).
"PROBABLY"
Someone who agrees with Rush is less likely to see the contridictions, probably. It's hard to say "your right" and "your full of beans" at the same time...
At the end of it all, I can say it is probable that you are reading my posts and adding and removing words in your mind to create the type of post you think I was going to put up here. You long ago stopped reading what I have to say. Now, you just appear to filter it through and read into anything you want.
I suspect that the two deleted posts were the impressive acts of adults. I think that sums up your side of things nicely.
Alex
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