Americans: You have te right to bear arms

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by sarettah

No you don't. Or at least I don't

Not long guns.....
But Handguns we do. And that's the point of contention here.

[sarettah]

Handguns are for hunting.....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Not long guns.....
But Handguns we do. And that's the point of contention here.

I meant handguns. They do not have to be registered or at least not in all states.

I know that here in Missouri and also down in Florida you are perfectly legal to give a gun (rifle or handgun) as a gift. You do not have to file any paper on it.

Because of the fed regulations, there will probably be paperwork on the original purchase but it can be passed on and on without any additional paper being filed.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

....What scared me was when I was living down in Salt Lake City and Carol and I were walking around West Valley Mall. Here comes Mall Security, which was an 18 year old, pimply faced kid caring a Baretta side arm! I then found out that the son of one of the guys I worked with was intellectually slow yet he also was able to find work as an armed security guard at 19 years old.

I've never believed in actually carrying a gun for self-defense, or keeping a loaded gun in the house. I always thought that people that carry are really just looking for an excuse to use it. The statistics do show that gun cultures like the US have a much higher rate of gun deaths than countries without that culture. We aren't talking a little bit higher, but much, much higher. The US murder rate is almost equal to that of a third world country with a culture of violence!

You're making the point. Pimply faced has it. So we do too. You are right about the culture though. I won't deny that. As I said earlier, Americans don't "bend" well. I know I don't. In 22 years of carrying mine, I've never "looked" for an opportunity to use it. In fact, I've dreaded the though of ever having to. I get upset when I run over a critter on the road. I certainly don't want to kill anyone, or anything.
But, and this is the important point, I don't Ever want to be in the position where MY LIFE is at the whim of psycho. One of my closest friends owns a Pharmacy, and some wacko came in there with a gun to steal drugs. Held him at gunpoint. Dude is out walking the streets today because of the ineffectual law enforcement. And they KNEW who it was. I assure you, that will never happen again. Ever.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I meant handguns. They do not have to be registered or at least not in all states.

I know that here in Missouri and also down in Florida you are perfectly legal to give a gun (rifle or handgun) as a gift. You do not have to file any paper on it.

Because of the fed regulations, there will probably be paperwork on the original purchase but it can be passed on and on without any additional paper being filed.

Must be nice.....

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Well, Emp you do actually. Iraq and Viet Nam are good examples and you did bend a knee. The fact that you use the term peacenicks says it all, really. What the hell is wrong with peace? Its guys like you that get your entire country into trouble as we have discussed many ties in the past.
Personally, I couldn't give a shit if your entire freeking country was armed to the teeth with these little pop guns. However, we have a mutual border and your "polite" society leaks these things faster than the Titanic taking on water and that effects me.
Here's the deal. If you ever had the balls as a country to automatically tack ten years onto any crime, non negotiable, for use of any fire arm and were willing to pay for said incarceration, I would sleep a little easier because the guys using the guns with bad intentions, would be locked up long enough to make them see the error of their ways and anyone trying it out on some poor doughnut store clerk, would think long and hard.
Until then, all the .357 bravado I am hearing here is just pointless chest beating. I have personally witnessed what small arms fire can actually do to a person and it ain't like the movies.
Y'all can carry tasers if you are that worried about your nasty neighbours.

You are such an idiot. And once again, trying to draw attention away from the issue at hand. The only reason you have "peace," anywhere in the world, is because "Guys like us," are willing to step up when you pussies won't.
How do you make "peace" with a Hitler? With a Saddam Hussein? With a North Korea? With a Khmr Rouge? How did those countries feel when the Iron curtain closed over them? How is "peace" working out for Darfur?
How do people like you stand by and watch that shit, speaking "peace?"
Makes my blood boil. I have ZERO tolerance for rape, murder, and worse of the women and children of the world. If it were up to me, the marines would have already landed. Following a surgical strike of the entire political power structure. Argue your "peace" to those people, pal. All your mealy mouth "sanctions," and "niceties" hasn't done much, now has it? How many have to be tortured and killed?

You live in the shadow of our protection. But for it, you would have been "subjected" long ago. You can squawk about it all you want. We don't expect you to thank us for it. Hell, we don't even expect you to shut up about it. But don't ever imagine we don't all know what the real score is.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

First off, I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need it and not have it.

I also think the SCOTUS got this one right. They looked at not only the wording but the context and frame of mind of the founding fathers. My favorite amendments are 1,2 and 10. Why? Those are the ones put in there to protect the people from governments.

Guns aren't the problem, crminals are. More specitically in the U.S. we protect and caudle our criminals too much. We also try to protect people from themselves, and by doing so we're permitting people who are too stupid to support themselves over breed and fill up inner cities with uneducated undisciplined, unmotivated youth who have no respect for law and actually view prison as perhaps a better option than living at home. Jail gets you 3 hots and a cot, many dont have that at home.

Additional gun control is meaningless. If you cant effectively enforce the laws you have, all you do is create hassle for the honest man looking to use the gun for sport or self defense. Ban all guns! Ok, again, you take them from the law abiding citizens, what's your plan to get them out of the hands of the criminals?

Dont address symptoms go for the root cause.

What would I do? I'd take it the other way. First thing, it becomes legal to shoot anyone who breaks into your home whether they are armed or not. Ditto for your vehicle. Let's thin out some of the crackheads doing home invasions and car jackings and terrorizing people over pocket money.

Second, stop the breeding. You have a child and want government support for it, you get your ass spade or neutered so you dont have any more. It can be reversed when you stop taking those checks.

Third, prison should really suck. Bring back the chain gang. Those rural roads that only get attention every 30 years after they're falling apart, here's your free labor to fix it. Make it less attractive

Finally, get the kids who do not want to learn out of the schools so they are not a distraction to those who do. You'll also lure better teachers if they aren't living in fear when they turn their back on an inner city class full of hood rats.

Sing it brother!
And where do I sign up for THAT plan?
Castle doctrine all the way!

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I'm not afraid of guns. I am afraid of people like you having them. Lots and lots of them. For no reason other than fear. And foreign guns crossing my border is a problem. I live in a gang town where there are targetted killings weekly if not daily. There is a gang war going on and I would bet you these guys are getting guns stolen from citizens like you and smuggled here.

Guess you best move to the magical land of "peace."
They don't have to get our guns...they can walk in any Canadian home (Which are usually unlocked) and procure the guns at home. No need to cross the border and take a risk.

Let's turn that around? How about YOU secure your weapons a little better, so people don't steal them in your unlocked homes, bring them here, and commit crimes?

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

As many as I want. But every one of them can do the job, so what's the point of asking?
If I want to "share" my collection with you, I would.
But I find the question more akin to "How many Dollars do you have?"
Why are you asking? Do you want to rob me or something?

How many dollars Do YOU have? I think it's a "valid" question.

My dollars haven't killed anyone and have no potential to do it. So I don't think it is a very relevant question. As soon as you come up with a good use for a handgun that isn't "kill someone" or "threaten to kill someone" then we can start over.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

The Europeans seem to do fine without their saturday night specials.

The right to bear arms is a 250 year old law that should be amended. Those guys had no idea where it would lead. It was to protect the republic when a militia could do that very thing if there was an invasion from Canada or Mexico. That threat is long gone, so should that "right".
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Ya know, your childish view of the world is comical. It's not a "law," it's a RIGHT. A right that founded this country, and has sustained it through all the world's problems. And, was instrumental in removing a tyrannical ruler, who seemed to think we were something to be exploited.


How quickly we forget.....The "Europeans," as you put them, would not have guns, save for us, and our "war mentality." They would be speaking German, and having No rights. we tried to stay out of that war too, if you recall. But people that didn't believe in peace didn't give us that choice.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

As soon as you come up with a good use for a handgun that isn't "kill someone" or "threaten to kill someone" then we can start over.

It was ignored when I said it, so I will say it again.

Investment. Every one of my guns has gone up in value and in fact several of them have doubled and tripled in value since I got them. Gun value traditionally only goes up, never down.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Just a dumb question, but where did the criminals get their guns? Do they melt down manhole covers and turn them into guns?

They get them the same place we do. They buy them. Then they CHOOSE to do wrong. We let them buy milk and eggs, too.

If you take away the guns, they WILL melt the manhole covers...probably into clubs, at first. Then they will CHOOSE to do wrong with them.
Without a hand to operate it, the gun is just as much of a killer as the manhole cover. Don't blame the tool.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I hate to say it, but if you are the victim of a home invasion, your pea shooter will prolly get you killed. It might make you feel better to go down fighting, but you ain't gonna shoot down five or ten guys before they either cap you or take your piece and do you with your own weapon.
I lost my idealism years ago when pragmatism overwhelmed me. This decision is the last gasp of the Bush era to really finally fuck the United States. Legal guns lead to legal killing. Only the collective will of the people should kill people legally. Not a moron with a sixth grade education that "thinks" he is being threatened. Not that anyone here is that guy, but they are allowed to purchase deadly weapons.
And as for those that have an arsenal, have a nice day because there is not one fucking good argument for that shit. None.

Ummm, it wasn't a "Bush" decision. The decision was made 200+ years ago. It has been the law of the land since then. The only "decision" was a bad one, attempting to override the forefathers ideals, by a bleeding heart peacenik like you. The Supreme court, (NOT Bush, we don't have Kings and Queens here) just reaffirmed, and further clarified the constitutional right. In a likely, vain attempt to keep idiots from trying to limit the constitution.

Personally, I don't want to "kill" anyone. Not alone, and not as a part of a "collective will." Maybe you should re-examine your motives? You juts don't get it, and probably never will. We don't WANT to kill anyone. But we're not afraid to, if necessary.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

My dollars haven't killed anyone and have no potential to do it. So I don't think it is a very relevant question. As soon as you come up with a good use for a handgun that isn't "kill someone" or "threaten to kill someone" then we can start over.

How naive is that? Just because you don't know it, I'll bet your dollars killed someone, somewhere. Drug raid? Drug war? Robbery? Who knows.....could'a been any of those things.

And my handguns have never been used for those purposes. Look at it this way....my guns were purchased "used." I have removed them from the potential damage stream, so I'm a "steward" of the weapons, keeping them safe.

But you'll spend those dollars, and they might kill someone. How would you know if someone else makes a decision with them after you don't control them anymore?

[Nymph]

I was born an American, and as such, I am granted certain rights set forth by our founding fathers. Maybe they didn't know what this country would be in 10, 20, or 200 years from when they were written, but I sure as shit wouldn't trust any of the politicians today to sit down to write a new set.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

How naive is that? Just because you don't know it, I'll bet your dollars killed someone, somewhere. Drug raid? Drug war? Robbery? Who knows.....could'a been any of those things.

And my handguns have never been used for those purposes. Look at it this way....my guns were purchased "used." I have removed them from the potential damage stream, so I'm a "steward" of the weapons, keeping them safe.

But you'll spend those dollars, and they might kill someone. How would you know if someone else makes a decision with them after you don't control them anymore?

If you really wanted to be safe, wouldn't it be better to grind them up and turn them into something useful? My dollars have endless practical uses, same as a knife or car or any other thing that might also end up being part of someone dying. But it has a useful purpose not related to killing. Guns don't have that, their purpose is kill or threaten kill, nothing more and nothing less.

As a side note, you are only "steward" of the weapon until it is stolen from you, used against you by a family member, or what have you. If you transport it ever by car, the chance that you get carjacked or your car stolen or broken into... there are plenty of ways for your gun to end up in the hands of criminals. You don't control it for life, only while it is in your hand.

[helix]

The gun argument is always an endless one. Same as religion and political arguments.
If you don't like guns, don't buy one. US residents have a constitutional right to buy - own firearms, and they will exercise their rights. You can even obtain a carry permit (ccw) if you can prove you have a reason to do so and are able to pass a review process (required) to grant you that privilege.

I live in a rural area and handguns as well as rifles are used for hunting, and varmint control. Although it isn't unusual for me to hear gunfire, especially around deer hunting season I don't have any of the gun problems you would normally associate with the big cities. I live in an agricultural area, not Detroit.

Keep in mind that there are stupid people in every country that use firearms to commit violent crimes, no exceptions for any country. Stupid people live in every country on every continent and there is always a "black market" to purchase illegal guns.

Lastly, please remember that not all of America is as depicted/reported on Fox News. After all, according to the press if we visit B.C. there is a good possibility we could have our feet chopped off and thrown in the bay. So.....using that logic we can assume that all of the B.C. Canadians must carry big knives and love to commit violent hack and slash crimes.....right?

Silly argument isn't it?

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

The only reason you have "peace," anywhere in the world, is because "Guys like us," are willing to step up when you pussies won't.

WOW! What a totally insensitive thing to say. Canadians have fought in every war the US was involved in this past century, and even more that the US stayed away from. The Canadian Armed Forces have been involved in more Peacekeeping missions than any other country in the world, and we have paid dearly for that. We are still the leaders in those types of missions.

Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and they are only there to support the effort started by the US, and then almost dropped by the US so Bush could get his Iraq fix and get even more Americans killed.

Please think before you post. Our soldiers fight and die, right alongside yours, and have for well over a hundred years. To call them "pussies" is a great insult, and would garner you an immediate slap in the face in person (although, I'd probably get shot)

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

As a side note, you are only "steward" of the weapon until it is stolen from you, used against you by a family member, or what have you. If you transport it ever by car, the chance that you get carjacked or your car stolen or broken into... there are plenty of ways for your gun to end up in the hands of criminals. You don't control it for life, only while it is in your hand.

Keep hoping....It ain't gonna happen. Hasn't happened in the last 2 decades, ain't gonna happen in the next 2.
Just love you "doom and gloom" guys...wanting to blame the tools for your own shortcomings.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by helix

Silly argument isn't it?

It actually is, since the statistics fully back up that you stand a much higher chance of suffering from gun violence in the US than in any other "First World" country.

As I said earlier in my posts, I am not against firearms at all. I'm against the rational many people use for possessing those guns. I cringe whenever I hear "self-defense" as that rarely works out well for anyone.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

WOW! What a totally insensitive thing to say. Canadians have fought in every war the US was involved in this past century, and even more that the US stayed away from. The Canadian Armed Forces have been involved in more Peacekeeping missions than any other country in the world, and we have paid dearly for that. We are still the leaders in those types of missions.

Our troops are dying in Afghanistan, and they are only there to support the effort started by the US, and then almost dropped by the US so Bush could get his Iraq fix and get even more Americans killed.

Please think before you post. Our soldiers fight and die, right alongside yours, and have for well over a hundred years. To call them "pussies" is a great insult, and would garner you an immediate slap in the face in person (although, I'd probably get shot)

Sorry Danny.....not directed at all Canucks. Just the "pussy peaceniks."

[bluemoney]

Just a bit more fuel for the fire!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b18_1212548777

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Sorry Danny.....not directed at all Canucks. Just the "pussy peaceniks."

Nice try. If this was GFY, you would get an "epic fail" for that post. Actually, you sound like one of those "reporters" on Fox "news"...if we don't agree with you, throw out the most extreme insult possible and make us argue from way over there.

Your personal possession of a handgun has nothing to do with war or peace. If it did, you would have less argument from most people. if you were actually helping to repel an invading force, or kill terrorists in the streets, you might actually have support.

You aren't doing any of that, so why support you?

Nobody here has addressed my simple questions: Outside of killing or threatening to kill, what use is a hand gun? Where do criminals get handguns from?

It isn't about war, or being a peacenik or anything like that. Focus. I know you can do it.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Nobody here has addressed my simple questions: Outside of killing or threatening to kill, what use is a hand gun?

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Re: Americans: You have te right to bear arms

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Originally Posted by RawAlex
As soon as you come up with a good use for a handgun that isn't "kill someone" or "threaten to kill someone" then we can start over.

It was ignored when I said it, so I will say it again.

Investment. Every one of my guns has gone up in value and in fact several of them have doubled and tripled in value since I got them. Gun value traditionally only goes up, never down

But don't let fact get in the way of a good whine

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Post #61 in this thread:



But don't let fact get in the way of a good whine

"investment" isn't a very good reason. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other things you could have invested in that would give a good return as well, without risking the safety of your family or neighbors.

After all, if investment was the reason to buy a gun, you would have them in a safety deposit box and not in the drawer next to your bed.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

"investment" isn't a very good reason. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other things you could have invested in that would give a good return as well, without risking the safety of your family or neighbors.

After all, if investment was the reason to buy a gun, you would have them in a safety deposit box and not in the drawer next to your bed.

Investment is actually a great reason to buy guns. They are a commodity just like anything else but they never go down, always up. Mine are usually in a gun safe as a matter of fact, they have never been in a drawer next to my bed..lol. I don't have a drawer next to my bed.

As far as home protection goes a shotgun beats the shit out of any handgun. My wife's weapon of choice is an M1, again, not a handgun.

But handguns go up a lot quicker in value so are a better investment in my opinion, although the M1 has gone up in value about 300% as the WWII vintage get harder to find. A Girand in particular would be a great investment opportunity.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

"investment" isn't a very good reason. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other things you could have invested in that would give a good return as well, without risking the safety of your family or neighbors.

After all, if investment was the reason to buy a gun, you would have them in a safety deposit box and not in the drawer next to your bed.

And in addition to his VERY valid reason, I said, "Because I want one." And when did I require a reason to exercise a right?
I'm sure everything YOU do is for a civilization saving "reason," eh?

This is exactly what you don't get. NO REASON IS NECESSARY.
It's a GUARANTEED right. You don't Have to answer to someone for it.
Now, you get back to asking "mother may I," to the queen, and your government.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Investment is actually a great reason to buy guns. They are a commodity just like anything else but they never go down, always up. Mine are usually in a gun safe as a matter of fact, they have never been in a drawer next to my bed..lol. I don't have a drawer next to my bed.

As far as home protection goes a shotgun beats the shit out of any handgun. My wife's weapon of choice is an M1, again, not a handgun.

But handguns go up a lot quicker in value so are a better investment in my opinion, although the M1 has gone up in value about 300% as the WWII vintage get harder to find. A Girand in particular would be a great investment opportunity.

Okay, now... dumb question: If huge numbers of guns are produced each year (millions in the US) why would they go up in value? Rarity is usually an indication of increasing value, but if everyone is being good citizens such as yourself and locking them and not leaving them lying around to be stolen, why would they ever go up in price?

I can understand the idea of very rare (vintage) weapons, say from the civil war, having some clear value, but I cannot picture why a standard .38 revolver (that literally millions of copies have been made of) would be worth anything...

EJ, you miss the point again (I think you are purposely going there). I am not asking you the legal question, but the moral one. Why do you need a gun? I find it hard that you cannot understand that criminals got their handguns from somewhere... so the issue most gun owners use to justify purchase (for protection!) is just feeding the fire a little more.

Perhaps if every adult in the US was required to pay an extra $500 (price of a decent handgun) to the local police force each year, they could do more protecting for you. Perhaps if the gun lobby wasn't so strong, there would be an automatic life imprisonment for anyone commiting a felony with a handgun. Perhaps one day people like you might see that their love of weapons is in fact the reason they are needed.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

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EJ, you miss the point again (I think you are purposely going there). I am not asking you the legal question, but the moral one. Why do you need a gun? I find it hard that you cannot understand that criminals got their handguns from somewhere... so the issue most gun owners use to justify purchase (for protection!) is just feeding the fire a little more.
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Moral question? Why is it a "Moral Question?" Why are you a pornographer? If want to start talking "Morals?"

I don't see it as a "moral" question, so I don't have a "moral" answer for you? I did give very sound reasons earlier.....as if I needed a reason, but I did answer.

Simply put, because THEY have them. "They," as in any one that would want to subject me or mine to their will in whatever form offends me. A Gun puts me on equal footing with the "bad guys."
The genie is out of the bottle, and "they" have them.
Let me give you something to think about.....had it been possible for Americans to carry guns on planes, do you really think 2 of them would have crashed into the towers? That happened because the terrorist counted on a passive response from crew and passengers. And they (The terrorists) knew they had "Superior weapons."
The plane that crashed here in Pennsylvania would certainly have turned out differently, had the people that fought back had suitable weapons to neutralize the terrorists. They tried, but were without the necessary tools. They DID stop the plane from crashing into Washington. Had they been "peaceniks," and not "angry Americans," we would have had a greater tragedy, wouldn't we?
There's an argument for arming every American. Why don't Israeli Airlines get Hijacked? Armed air Marshals. Or don't you think police should have guns, either?

[ali25extreme]

I am in the market to purchase a weapon for protection I was thinking of getting a Ruger mark III .22 calibur. I am use to firing rifles; m14, m16, and other assault rifles, I have fired the glock 45 and it had a kick to it, but I was very accurate with it, just not a good feel for my size! Any suggestions?

[Toby]

Tastes Great!




Less Filling

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by ali25extreme

I am in the market to purchase a weapon for protection I was thinking of getting a Ruger mark III .22 calibur. I am use to firing rifles; m14, m16, and other assault rifles, I have fired the glock 45 and it had a kick to it, but I was very accurate with it, just not a good feel for my size! Any suggestions?

Taurus Model 22 .22LR Pistol in Nickel with Gold Accents and Pink Mother of Pearl Grips Special Edition

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/tamo222piinn1.html

It's "purddy too"

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

There's an argument for arming every American. Why don't Israeli Airlines get Hijacked? Armed air Marshals. Or don't you think police should have guns, either?

Back to junior high debate club time. I won't answer this because it is totally meaningless. The need or want for a police office to be armed in no way bolsters the idea that everyone walking down the street should be armed. That would just take us back to the wild west where the local sheriff and the local undertaker were the two busiest people in almost any town. Actually, I think parts of the US are already there.

[Hell Puppy]

You'll all be happy to know that those of us in Georgia with concealed weapons permits can now pack our heaters in restaurants that serve alcohol, on public transit and in state parks.

Pity the poor bastard that tries to rape me or gonzo while out hiking now.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

You'll all be happy to know that those of us in Georgia with concealed weapons permits can now pack our heaters in restaurants that serve alcohol, on public transit and in state parks.

Pity the poor bastard that tries to rape me or gonzo while out hiking now.

just hope like hell that the guy having the 4 martini lunch next to you isn't packing and pissed off about your table manners.

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

Taurus Model 22 .22LR Pistol in Nickel with Gold Accents and Pink Mother of Pearl Grips Special Edition

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/tamo222piinn1.html

It's "purddy too"

That reminds me of the time I went to the gun show in Dayton with my husband. A man comes up to us looks at me, and says here's a nice little gun for a little lady...it was a 22.

My husband had to escort me quickly away from him before I bitch slapped him.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Nymph

...My husband had to escort me quickly away from him before I bitch slapped him.

That's where things are bit different here in the South. We'd have just stepped out of the way, made sure we had your back, then watched as you ripped him a new asshole.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Nymph

That reminds me of the time I went to the gun show in Dayton with my husband. A man comes up to us looks at me, and says here's a nice little gun for a little lady...it was a 22.

My husband had to escort me quickly away from him before I bitch slapped him.

Wouldn't that be a good time to pull out your .22 and prove it is effective?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wouldn't that be a good time to pull out your .22 and prove it is effective?

C'mon now, I know you don't really think most people in that situation would even consider that an option.

Besides, a good bitch-slapping is far more embarrassing making it much more likely that the life lesson will be remembered.

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wouldn't that be a good time to pull out your .22 and prove it is effective?

I don't have a 22, my gun is a 357, and I don't pack it with me. You are generalizing about me just like that small minded little man did.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

C'mon now, I know you don't really think most people in that situation would even consider that an option.

Besides, a good bitch-slapping is far more embarrassing making it much more likely that the life lesson will be remembered.

Toby, the point is this: Not everyone in the US is as capable of good judgement as you or Nymph might be able to exercise. Her so called "small minded man" might also be small minded enough to settle things with flying bullets instead of flying fists, example.

If the gun is present, there is potential for it's use. If there are no guns present, there is no chance they will get used (obviously!).

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

If the gun is present, there is potential for it's use. If there are no guns present, there is no chance they will get used (obviously!).

Drunk drivers kill far more people than handguns, but I don't see anyone seriously trying to ban the sale of cars or alcohol. Your arguments simply don't hold up.

Since I know you'll ask, here are some hard numbers. 2005 was the most recent year that I could find National numbers for both without wasting a ton of time.

Alcohol related auto fatalities - 16,885 (source - CDC)
Handgun related homicides - 8,478 (source - DOJ)

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Nymph

I don't have a 22, my gun is a 357, and I don't pack it with me. You are generalizing about me just like that small minded little man did.

So lets see . . . you like porn & firearms. If like watching the NFL you will be on my "too good to be true" list. Oh yeah, and you will make my penis hard.


PS. I only suggested a .22 for "Babycakes" because that's what she seemed to be in the market for.

[Buckwheat]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Pity the poor bastard that tries to rape me or gonzo while out hiking now.

Most likely one of them goddamn snow Mexicans!

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

So lets see . . . you like porn & firearms. If like watching the NFL you will be on my "too good to be true" list. Oh yeah, and you will make my penis hard.


PS. I only suggested a .22 for "Babycakes" because that's what she seemed to be in the market for.

Can we switch NFL for Nascar? Don't forget, I like to cook too

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Nymph

Can we switch NFL for Nascar? Don't forget, I like to cook too

Damn, so close!

I still you

[Buckwheat]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

Damn, so close!

I still you

Oh GOD! Get a room nigga!

[helix]

Interesting statistics courtesy of the Public Health Agency Canada

[DannyCox]

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

............................ Homicide ... Suicide ... Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) ............... 3.98 ........ 5.92 ..... 0.36
Italy (1997) .............. 0.81 ........ 1.1 ....... 0.07
Switzerland (1998) ..... 0.50 ........ 5.8 ....... 0.10
Canada (2002) ........... 0.4 ......... 2.0 ....... 0.04
Finland (2003) ........... 0.35 ........ 4.45 ...... 0.10
Australia (2001) ......... 0.24 ........ 1.34 ..... 0.10
France (2001) ........... 0.21 ......... 3.4 ...... 0.49
England/Wales (2002) . 0.15 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.03
Scotland (2002) ......... 0.06 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.02
Japan (2002) ............. 0.02 ......... 0.04 ..... 0

Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.


I just love how the statistcs show just how well gun ownership protects you from harm in the US! So keep on carrying as the odds that you will get shot are 10 times higher for you than for me

Darwin really was right!

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by helix

Interesting statistics courtesy of the Public Health Agency Canada

But don't you just love the point, "145 were killed with firearms in homicides," that really does put Toby's amount of 8,478 into perspective!