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So far it looks like Larry Walters and some other unnamed group thats a spokes person for this industry things its a good thing.
I cant tell if Helmy and his anti-CP group are for or against this as well. They only grace the Zoo with showing up.
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It is my understanding that ASACP will get 10$ of every registration, and that this will go to an effort to make the use of .xxx domains mandatory for adult companies.
I might be mistaken... someone please tell me Im wrong.
and then tell me that ASACP is owned(operated?) by Helmy... ?
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It is my understanding that ASACP will get 10$ of every registration, and that this will go to an effort to make the use of .xxx domains mandatory for adult companies.
I might be mistaken... someone please tell me Im wrong.
and then tell me that ASACP is owned(operated?) by Helmy... ?
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fuck .. i offered them incestry.com for FREE to keep it out of the public domain, and in their hands to protect its use. They never even bothered to reply so now it drops ..
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I like to report too. So heres a little information where my down south buddy Mike South says his piece back to AVN.....
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Paul Fishbein Writes:
AVN President Paul Fishbein posts:
For those who trash us on the boards and speak without any knowledge of what's really going on (yes Mike South, you), here's the story. In the early days, at the encouragement of a couple of our biggest clients, we had meetings with Jason Hendeles concerning AVN's potential involvement with the .XXX business. We viewed it as a business opportunity. We sought the advice of many in the adult business, some of whom felt that the .XXX domains would "ghettoize" the adult business, while others felt there was a real opportunity.
However, we never made a deal with Jason and to date have no involvement in .XXX.
That last sentence speaks volumes, the truth is you SHOULD have had involvement and you should have seen it for the bad move that it is. Instead you chose to stick your head in the sand and sell us out by not doing anything. or did you do something?
Mike South Sez....
From My Site: 07/27/2004 For all of you asking why .XXX is a bad idea...READ THIS:
.XXX Still Not Dead, And AVNOnline is Helping to Pimp It:
The key word here being pimp of course.
lets look at whose who in this battle:
First you Have ICMRegistry and their little used car salesman Jason Hendales, Jason's job is to garner support for the .XXX domain for ICMRegistry so that they can try to ramrod it through ICANN. The proposed price tag for .XXX domains 75.00/yr.
Second, You have knowledgeable adult webmasters, attorneys and lobbyists like myself, Jeffrey Douglas, J.D. Obenberger and Bill Lyon who are against this, for reasons I will spell out in a bit.
Third You have parties in the biz, who, out of ignorance or alterior motive or both would support this under the guise of....you guessed it....keeping the children safe. These include LFP, Vivid, AVN and some of the board of the Free Speech Cabal. Though AVN has been passive in it's support, it's editorials speak for themselves.
Take the recent issue of AVNOnline where they lay out the story noting that the Free Speech Coalition held a special meeting to discuss and vote on this. AVN reported that the members in attendance voted it in BUT the big bad wolf (Then Director of the FSC) Bill Lyon vetoed the vote and called on the board of directors to decide the issue. Now here is the FACT that changes the whole story that AVN conveniently left out.
The night of the vote ICMRegistry brought in a bunch of "Ringers", they paid the dues for them to join the FSC so that they could vote in favor of .XXX, thus guaranteeing that the measure would pass. Bill Lyon saw through this ruse and did the right thing.
They also conveniently left out the fact that the FSC had been BRIBED to pass the measure....reportedly to the tune of 8.00 per domain sold. That's a hefty chunk of change and was certainly enough to buy the votes of some of the FSC Board members with less integrity than Lyon. Lawrence Walters and Greg Picconelli were salivating at the idea too because passage is job security for them as you will soon see.
So when you come right down to it, it's all about the money. ICM Registry will make millions off of this and thus will go to great lengths to sell it, even if it means selling us out.
Now some of you might be thinking that this aint such a bad idea, you are wrong, here's why:
It doesn't "protect the children", kids dont get porn from responsible adult sites, they get it off of kazaa, bearshare, limewire, morpheus, IRC and others.
It does "Zone" adult into a cyber ghetto, they say that we won't be required to use it but ask yourself this: Does your state have seatbelt laws? Remember how they sold that? They said Oh we won't just pull you over and give you a ticket for not wearing it, we just want to enact it to protect you and your children, now "Click It Or Ticket Campaigns are rampant right? Just how long do you think it would take Ashcroft or someone of similar narrow mindedness to pass legislation "protecting the children" by forcing adult sites to use .XXX. Picconelli and Walters say no way they can't do that but I guarantee you these two hot shots aren't going to represent you for free to prove it. For them .XXX is money in the bank, fuck what's good for the industry.
How long would it take your city or state to demand that ISPs "filter out" the .XXX domain or lose permission to provide service to you? Specially if you live in, say Utah?
Starting to see the problems now? Ya I thought you might.
You see its all about the money, ICM Registry, Picconelli, Walters...these people could give a fuck because they are going to make money, even if only because adult webmasters will buy the .XXX domains to protect them from cybersquatting, at least that's what they are counting on.
Next time you hear AVN wanting to speak for the adult webmaster community, remember this people. You gonna be at Internext? Tell them to stop trying to sell you to the highest bidder.
That's the way I see it.
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I like to report too. So heres a little information where my down south buddy Mike South says his piece back to AVN.....
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To which I responded:
What on earth makes you think that AVN has the power (or inclination) to "sell" webmasters to the highest bidder?! AVN produces adult industry publications and events. It is not some higher power, and it is not a political lobbying organization like the FSC.
The fact that AVN didn't take a stand on one side of the issue or the other is, in my opinion, more testament to the organization's integrity than NOT (They COULD have made money but chose not to). I'm not saying I disagree with your stand on this but at that time, and still today, our industry was and is divided on .xxx . In my opinion, AVN has a responsibility to write the news, not create it. Any power it has can and is used to actively support organizations like the FSC. However you ascribe far more direct political power and responsibility to AVN than is warranted.
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Understand that this is just MY opinion and I'm just a simple girl from Scotland who may be missing something obvious...
Given the current political witchhunt against the adult industry and, by my perception, a 'moral' veer to the right internationally, creating our very own ghetto is a very dangerous thing to do. In an ideal world this could be a 'cute' idea. 'Your one-stop-shop for GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS!' But we don't exist in that world, we exist in a country (those in the USA) that is far from democratic, that has exactly the type of government the Constitution was created to protect Americans from. So this is very dangerous, IMO.
That said, I don't think the sky is falling... Somehow, I don't think this'll do us all in.
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I would like to know who is all behind this too as I will not be doing any more business with them...fuck them and let them sell everyone else down the river...fuck them and fuck them good...
*If* AVN is behind it, I'll never attend another InterNext again...yeah, I know, they won't miss one little webmaster, but I'll also go out of my way to let everyone else know who is behind this and urge them to boycott ALL of those involved...
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Looks to me like the same people who negotiated patent agreements with our favorite company.
There is definately a pattern here.
I am not saying if it is good or bad, it is just business. If people can make a buck selling others out, they will do it. Life has always been that way.
There are no friends in business, only interests.
As deepthroat once said... "follow the money"
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I would like to know who is all behind this too as I will not be doing any more business with them...fuck them and let them sell everyone else down the river...fuck them and fuck them good...
*If* AVN is behind it, I'll never attend another InterNext again...yeah, I know, they won't miss one little webmaster, but I'll also go out of my way to let everyone else know who is behind this and urge them to boycott ALL of those involved...
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If AVN were behind this I be demanding a very hefty raise right now! LOL...
Not true though... See you at Internext! 
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Looks to me like the same people who negotiated patent agreements with our favorite company.
There is definately a pattern here.
I am not saying if it is good or bad, it is just business. If people can make a buck selling others out, they will do it. Life has always been that way.
There are no friends in business, only interests.
As deepthroat once said... "follow the money"
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what was old is new again... hey Jim, do you and Vickie remember this identical discussion on the YNot board back in 98 ???
domain.xxx .sex .whatever = virtual ghettoization of adult, and far too easy to block. was bad idea then and is just as bad now... do you really think that it would take much for VISA/MC to institute a "move to .xxx or lose your processing" policy ?
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jun 2 2005, 04:01 PM
Looks to me like the same people who negotiated patent agreements with our favorite company.
There is definately a pattern here.
I am not saying if it is good or bad, it is just business. If people can make a buck selling others out, they will do it. Life has always been that way.
There are no friends in business, only interests.
As deepthroat once said... "follow the money"
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yup, figures...they see shrinking margins in adult and figure they'll take all they can as everyone else goes down....but sadly, few in this industry will give a fuck..they'll kiss ass on these people and still send traffic to them because they have a picture of a nice car on their website...
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Sorry guys , but to be absolutely honest here...
Lets say it is Cybererotica is behind all this , and they are gonna make huge money from it and everyone else is gonna get fucked in the ass.
They aren't doing anything illegal or anything else.
Well since when do they have to run there business affairs to best serve you bunch of wankers?
I run a business to make ME money , I'm not an industry leader ,a spokesman for the "adult Industry" or anything else. I am a businessman. LOL
If I could make $50 million legitmately in thise business , but by doing it every person that posted on this board became unemployed I wouldn't give a monkeys toss frankly. 
I'd employ some of you to come along for the ride though. You always need someone to help you pick the colour of your next Bentley.
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I'd employ some of you to come along for the ride though. You always need someone to help you pick the colour of your next Bentley.
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I'd employ some of you to come along for the ride though. You always need someone to help you pick the colour of your next Bentley.
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ooh... I'll send you my CV, I'm fabulous with colour! 
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Well, now that you ask, I'd actually like to revise my statement. This industry is gangrene. If the pedicure makes the nails look nice, well, the last time I heard the nails don't gangrene.
I agree with Nick, those that are in the .xxx for profit aren't breaking any laws. Any webmasters dumb enough to buy into the TLD aren't breaking any intelligence barriers either though.
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 2 2005, 10:36 PM
Sorry guys , but to be absolutely honest here...
Lets say it is Cybererotica is behind all this , and they are gonna make huge money from it and everyone else is gonna get fucked in the ass.
They aren't doing anything illegal or anything else.
Well since when do they have to run there business affairs to best serve you bunch of wankers?
I run a business to make ME money , I'm not an industry leader ,a spokesman for the "adult Industry" or anything else. I am a businessman. LOL
If I could make $50 million legitmately in thise business , but by doing it every person that posted on this board became unemployed I wouldn't give a monkeys toss frankly.
I'd employ some of you to come along for the ride though. You always need someone to help you pick the colour of your next Bentley.
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I agree with Nick, those that are in the .xxx for profit aren't breaking any laws. Any webmasters dumb enough to buy into the TLD aren't breaking any intelligence barriers either though.
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Of course anyone would do what they did. It is a smart business decission to own any TLD.
We will make money off of it somehow.... 
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Of course anyone would do what they did. It is a smart business decission to own any TLD.
We will make money off of it somehow....
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'We' as in Directnic or 'we' as in MikeAI?
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I'm not denying the business aspect of it...I'm just sick of these guys selling everyone else down the river and claiming to be industry leaders and other such horseshit...the only thing they lead this industry in is fucking everyone else...
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I'm not denying the business aspect of it...I'm just sick of these guys selling everyone else down the river and claiming to be industry leaders and other such horseshit...the only thing they lead this industry in is fucking everyone else...
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I still want to hear if MikeAI's version of "we" is the "royal we"....
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The correct term is ..."Porn Royalty" [self annointed] Also referred to as "West Coast Weenies". They all are "friends 4 life" until one of em gets greedy and punks them out. [See The Zoo] But other than hot air and a lot of hype/drama they bring nothing to the table. Youve seen them in the early years working for Levi, selling dick pills and now blowing out content.
A true "Porn Royal" will give the other ones... the "homie hook up". You know... you discover a company looking to break into online adult so they are looking to hire a "celebrity webmaster" [Always works for someone else usually for no longer than 3 months and never has anything of their own] and has some deep pockets.
So you give em the "homie hookup" - that is stand as a reference even though the company doesnt know either of you cant produce shit. Bleed em dry with your contacts [usually flashy non caucasion rappers who have nothing to do with the business] that produce little to nothing, convince them to sponsor or co-sponsor an event in Vegas or Florida so that you/PR can line up your next job while on someone elses payroll.
Mike AI once told me they had another word for this person..."employee".
**special thanks to Kath Blackwell, Serge and Mike AI for making these terms popular.
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[stld-rfp-xxx] A Responsible First Step for the Adult Industry
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Subject: [stld-rfp-xxx] A Responsible First Step for the Adult Industry
From: "Lawrence G. Walters"
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:12:42 -0500
Importance: Normal
Organization: Weston, Garrou & DeWitt
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For the good of the adult Internet industry, this proposal should be approved. Having provided legal representation to the adult webmaster community since 1995, along with other facets of the adult industry for years before, I’ve seen many unsuccessful attempts to organize and speak with a united voice. Organizing in the adult Internet industry is essential; just as it is with any other highly-regulated industry. My law firm has represented the adult industry for over 40 years, and has been involved in many organizing efforts. It may be that the only way for this particular facet of the industry to organize is through a non-profit foundation structured to support both the online adult community and the broader Internet community funded through .xxx registration revenue. A .xxx domain name option will eventually become a reality, and the current proposal will result in significant benefit to the industry as a whole, given the significant funding that IFFOR could potentially secure for the purposes of lobbying, legal defense, and media outreach.
When compared to a generic TLD proposal, the current Sponsored TLD proposal is definitely preferable. In light of the current political climate in the United States and elsewhere, IFFOR could become a critical voice for the continued viability and success of the adult website industry. Regardless of one’s feelings concerning the esoteric advisability of a voluntary .xxx domain name registration option, the practical realities must be addressed. Some entity will ultimately convince ICANN to approve a TLD for the adult industry. The current proposal by ICM Registries, Inc., sponsored by IFFOR, will bestow benefits on the industry which far outweigh any of the potential concerns advanced to date. The webmaster community should get behind this proposal which will give something back, instead of waiting for another group to submit a generic TLD proposal based purely on profit motive.
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Cramming 3 people in a Room to Attend Show
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