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Old 08-17-2003   #51
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Soul Rebel knows his shit :-)

What if you take hGH, work out daily but don't use any anabolic steroids, will it promote enough muscle growth to justify the $1500/month expense of using it?
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I plan on growing old according to my inner time clock. When it's time for me to look like a dried up old prune, then so be it.
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lol thanks

Timon, I cannot gurantee that, specially if you haven't exercised before. Best thing to do is to start exercising and after a year or two you consult a doctor. Maybe the tests they do to you can show how effective or not HGH will be in your body.

There's no doubt HGH on average works. No other drug from what I know can increase the number of your cell bodies. A small example is that the today's pro bodybuilders, although they have monster dimensions, they all "suffer" from large waist. Like the rest bodyparts, their waist also increase in dimensions which is negative for the competitions.

we should start an oprano gym club
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maybe I scared him away, too bad, I had more stuff to ask him
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maybe I scared him away, too bad, I had more stuff to ask him
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"Is this legal in the states to sell and ship this way????"


You need prescription for sure. This goes for all countries. In states it is usually under the category of anti-aging therapy.


"where is it shipped from? How is it shipped if it need to be maintained at a certain temp (especially to hot states)"

I don't know a lot of details about it. There are only few drug labs that produce synthetic HGH since the market for it is small. Most of them are located in Europe. Till few years ago you could find in the black market cheap Russian non synthetic HGH (which was coming from animals!) and due to various dangers for diseases it was banned. Like Steroids, if you can't be 100% sure for the source it's better not to purchase anything since the percentage of fake drugs is extremely high. Most of steroids sold in the blackmarket are fake. This goes for HGH as well.


"if you stop taking it does it act like other steriods and just start to loose muscle and mass? (i dont know anything about steroids never used them)"

No, the results of HGH are permanent and cannot be traced with antidoping control tests. That's why the steroids Guru, Daniel Duchaine had called HGH as God's miracle in his book a decade ago. I translated this book in my native lang. and it had a paragraph about Ben Johnson, the canadian sprinter that lost his olympic medal due to anabolic use. Ben Johnson bought a period before the olympics some bottles that were supposed to have HGH. In reality the bottles didn't have HGH,but another anabolic that works only on the female body. That drug was found in his blood and that drug didn't help him to win the medal of 100m running. He won the race due to his own increadible performance. The drug was useless....... Now near all olympic athletes make use of HGH and dozens of other anabolics.

A primary chracteristic of HGH is that it reduces the body fat levels.
Also it increases the amount of muscle cells, unlike all other kind of drugs like steroids that temp. increase the size of your cells. That's why pro bodybuilders use both. More and bigger muscle cells. There is a small fear that it might lead to cancer cases. So far though there's no scientific proof that the use of HGH means higher possibility of cancer and this is after many decades of research.

I haven't used any steroids myself as well,but I would consider HGH after few years. In the middle 20's the human body produces less growth hormone and this results at a high level on getting old. The older you are, the better results you'll see with HGH. I think for someone that can afford it and it's 40y.old+ (Serge??) it's a good deal to visit a doctor and request to start an anti aging therapy after doing all the proper medical tests.
Wow I havnt been back to oprano for a few days Soul Thank you for the great disertation on HGH If I could add a couple of points

The brand that I rep is called Saizen and it does not degrade with heat untill it is reconstituted.

Our prescrtiptions are handled by a US doc and our fufillment comes from a Bahamaian pharmacy(free trade zone).

Soul you have a real handle on HGH cool I would love to talk to you further.

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i have a question.

can you point to any peer reviewed and credible medical study that shows that taking HGH is effective and safe?
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If you are in to fitness
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if you are into reverse aging
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can you point to any peer reviewed and credible medical study that shows that taking HGH is effective and safe?
Sure,

2 of the most credible are Dr Nick Delgado 7 books
Dr Ronald Klatz do a google search
Both very credible
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Dick Clark,

It is often said that Dick Clark, George Hamilton and quite a few actors are HGH believers (even Arnuld)
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are you sure about that trev?

answer your email mr hormone
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HGH Info Here is a source for Pros and Cons on HGH! There are just as many benefits as there are side effects. Get looked at by a professional to see if HGH is right for you! [SQL]
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Ok you've got me wracking my brain and Google and I.. dunno

I know Rusat is a word in Russian, Swedish, Finnish and Norwegian
Also Al Rusat is an Arabic word
Rusat was a Cardasian in DS9

but I don't know what hghpaysbig means by RUSAT
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You putz I mean really These guys do not sell HGH they are anti aging advocates Men who have spent thier careers studying in their feild.
I fail to see what you want me to tell you HGH is no good for you I believe in the product and the downside is low I liked what Harv man put up very accuarate site. scrool up and click the link.

I dont need to sell webmasters we are doing ok now. I like the reach that the adult community has on the web that is why i posed my first question?
I am really glad that I posted because of the response I have gotten from some has been informative, engaging and not suprisingly possible a few business relationships.
I realize that no matter what on a forum like this someone will feel threatened and lash out quickly (show their ass) so I take no offense when someone is rude (ignorant). The upside is most people are so nice that I am really happy to be around crative bright people who if thier questions wern't answered the way they wanted they did some research on thier own. One reqally sweet person did a google searcg so they can form thier own opinion. JR just type google in your search bar the type in HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE - you can add other words too it's really easy.

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hghpaysbig you are a fucking asshole

The only reason you are here is to spam your snakeoil hormones for midgets, senile 90 yr olds and wasting AIDS patients.

Every single post you have made so far has been to peddle your lame snakeoil. Even your nickname is a spam slogan. You are so fucking transparent even Forest could figure you out.

Get the fuck out of here and peddle your crappy shit somewhere else.
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you've got that copy and paste thing down pat

Good Job!!!



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boy he figured you out quick

got any new photoshops of me???

I love you spending time on little ol me

makes me feel all warm and cuddly
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You putz I mean really These guys do not sell HGH they are anti aging advocates Men who have spent thier careers studying in their feild.
I fail to see what you want me to tell you HGH is no good for you I believe in the product and the downside is low I liked what Harv man put up very accuarate site. scrool up and click the link.
there are a few simple facts about hormone therapy, HGH, DHEA, precursors etc.

i could be wrong about this .. and i am not going to dig up facts, but here is the opinion of a "putz"

1) there is little to no solid evidence to prove their long term safety or benefits of taking HGH. every credible medical study usually concludes with words like "suggests that" ... "seems to indicate" ... "is thought to...." etc.

2) there is a TON of dickheads like you selling snake oil - for example the sprays which are 100% not effective. Your body simple cannot convert and utilize it. of course you were careful to point out that you are not one of those people.. but you can only defend yourself by pointing us to evidence from people who are selling the same thing you are. *yawn*

3) Your hormones exist in a pretty delicate balance with each other. Toying with that, without medical supervision is pretty dangerous.

toying with that balance because some fuck with a website with stolen graphics from www.phong.com said it's ok... is beyond stupid.




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I am at the gym at 5.30 am..... not all of us are blessed with adonis like physiques.... ;-))
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can you point to any peer reviewed and credible medical study that shows that taking HGH is effective and safe?
So you get some "peer reviews" and you bitch Ha what do you want from me to come to "industry" board and not talk about my business at all?
Yes this a great board because its laid back and a lot more mature then some of the others, I feel I can get some better use of my time than posting or looking at tits and ass.

I think my credibility is yet to be determined and certainly not by you Timon or JR who based on their previous posts that I made the time to check out are cynics and seem like your stereotypical keyboard tough guys in my experiences those types are much nicer in person.

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1) there is little to no solid evidence to prove their long term safety or benefits of taking HGH. every credible medical study usually concludes with words like "suggests that" ... "seems to indicate" ... "is thought to...." etc.



True many studies end that way, As well as studies for Cancer, weight loss ertectile dysfunction etc,,,,
You see all bodies are different Doctors never give a definitive answer unless it has to do with a specific ex; put a cast on that broken bone
even than put a cast on it and we will check it in six weeks

So what is solid "evidence" I think the testomonials of people who use and get results (good or bad) HGH is a perscription you have to have a medical exam before recieving any treatment


2) there is a TON of dickheads like you selling snake oil - for example the sprays which are 100% not effective. Your body simple cannot convert and utilize it. of course you were careful to point out that you are not one of those people.. but you can only defend yourself by pointing us to evidence from people who are selling the same thing you are. *yawn*


Well There are a few people who sell real HGH on the internet and I am sure there will be plenty more as the buzz gets bigger. I dont sell a spray so why mention it. Again I see the Docs/Scientists/Authors who right books and spend their lives dedicated to antiaging (who dont sell growth)
know less than JR. I am sorry please do not be offended but I trust their opinion more than I do yours

3) Your hormones exist in a pretty delicate balance with each other. Toying with that, without medical supervision is pretty dangerous.

toying with that balance because some fuck with a website with stolen graphics from www.phong.com said it's ok... is beyond stupid.


You are correct please if you decide to pursue any physical activity from dieting to fucking a stranger get a medical opinion or wear a rubber.

If you have a stolen graphic on yourwebsite fire your designer thats what I did!

So JR you keyboard tough guy what do you sell oh yea you pimp young chicks to do lude acts with strangers and that keeps then mentally sound
and they retire young and rich?
Snake oil dont throw stones you might not like the window you break
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Hey dipshit, you're in the wrong thread, this discussion has moved here:

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?a...e4caa11d9ca9a1a
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So JR you keyboard tough guy what do you sell oh yea you pimp young chicks to do lude acts with strangers and that keeps then mentally sound
and they retire young and rich?
This is a pornographers board you idiot, we ALL do that for a living ;-))
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Hey you will you look nice, for sure.

But those muscles are just gonna look good, it's for sure.

Come on the mat with me and roll. Build real muscles that won't tire out quickly because they are trained to do 3 sets of 12 reps.
Anthony....... I think most of us guys would rather have a good looking body than be really good at rolling on the mat hugging another guy



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Originally posted by JR@Aug 21 2003, 04:50 AM
i have a question.

can you point to any peer reviewed and credible medical study that shows that taking HGH is effective and safe?
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I think my credibility is yet to be determined and certainly not by you Timon or JR who based on their previous posts that I made the time to check out are cynics and seem like your stereotypical keyboard tough guys in my experiences those types are much nicer in person.
fair enough. if it will make you feel better, i can kick the living shit out of you in vegas if you can find enough money for a bus ticket to get there.

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Jr points out
1) there is little to no solid evidence to prove their long term safety or benefits of taking HGH. every credible medical study usually concludes with words like "suggests that" ... "seems to indicate" ... "is thought to...." etc.

True many studies end that way, As well as studies for Cancer, weight loss ertectile dysfunction etc,,,,
You see all bodies are different Doctors never give a definitive answer unless it has to do with a specific ex; put a cast on that broken bone
even than put a cast on it and we will check it in six weeks
we are not talking about "many studies" - we are talking about HGH. you can't find any large body of credible medical studies because there are none.

even more to the point, you can't find any studies that can say conclusively that there are no long term negative effects because relatively, this is a very new science and it would take 50-100 years to know the answer to that question.

so.... saying "i take it and i feel better today" - is no different than saying "i snort cocaine and feel great" or "i am taking double the recommended doses of steroids and insulin injections and i am seeing tremendous gains"

the fact is, you can also be destroying yourself at the same time. you CAN'T prove thats not true.

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So what is solid "evidence" I think the testomonials of people who use and get results (good or bad) HGH is a perscription you have to have a medical exam before recieving any treatment
some people get good temporary results from smoking crack. so what?

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2) there is a TON of dickheads like you selling snake oil - for example the sprays which are 100% not effective. Your body simple cannot convert and utilize it. of course you were careful to point out that you are not one of those people.. but you can only defend yourself by pointing us to evidence from people who are selling the same thing you are. *yawn*

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Well There are a few people who sell real HGH on the internet and I am sure there will be plenty more as the buzz gets bigger. I dont sell a spray so why mention it. Again I see the Docs/Scientists/Authors who right books and spend their lives dedicated to antiaging (who dont sell growth)
know less than JR. I am sorry please do not be offended but I trust their opinion more than I do yours
i see books by people dedicated to studying Bigfoot, Lochness Monster and UFO's. so what? its hardly conclusive proof of anything. right?


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3) Your hormones exist in a pretty delicate balance with each other. Toying with that, without medical supervision is pretty dangerous.

toying with that balance because some fuck with a website with stolen graphics from www.phong.com said it's ok... is beyond stupid.

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You are correct please if you decide to pursue any physical activity from dieting to fucking a stranger get a medical opinion or wear a rubber.
ok. so i am correct. you can tweak with your hormones and the list of things that can go wrong are WELL documented thanks to bodybuilders in the last 50 years. the health risks are many. they are proven.

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If you have a stolen graphic on yourwebsite fire your designer thats what I did!
what do you mean "fire your designer" - you have a guy working for you and he does not have the photoshop skills of a 10 year old and you had to fire him? doesn't make sense. looked like you had no money and you took a screenshot of the flash animation of www.phong.com and tried to make a website from it.

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So JR you keyboard tough guy what do you sell oh yea you pimp young chicks to do lude acts with strangers and that keeps then mentally sound and they retire young and rich? Snake oil dont throw stones you might not like the window you break
this is an adult webmaster board. where did you think you were... www.people-who-believe-anything.com?
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