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[Peaches]

And, of course, I couldn't disagree with you more about universal health care. I only wish Oregon would have passed their attempt so we could see what would have happened.

I may have misunderstood, but wasn't Oregon's proposal what would have amounted to a very large group plan? From what I heard, it wasn't free, and it wasn't funded by the government, but it would have allowed for more even insurance costs, i.e. just because you have $$, doesn't mean you should have to pay more for insurance. My rates just went up (AGAIN!) and I'm now paying over $400 a month for myself and the kid. I would LOVE to be able to get a "group" rate and I THOUGHT that's what the Oregon proposal was.

In addition I thought it would allow people that are currently unable to get insurance to be able to obtain it (for example, a friend of mine with pre-existing conditions is getting ready to have his COBRA expire - he CANNOT find another carrier to cover him..........).

Am I missing the boat on this?

[ulfie]

Yep, the boat sailed, you missed it.

The Oregon bill was another tax the rich scheme. I wish it would have passed. Every critically ill patient in the US would have been flocking there while the people paying the bills would have been leaving.

http://www.healthcareforalloregon.org/summary.htm

[Peaches]

Ah, thanks for the link - see what happens when you just catch bits and pieces of information?

OK, well, then would MY plan work?

[T-Rav]

Wig for President!

I am officially opting out of this topic, and allowing Wig to speak on my behalf. I have yet to disagree with any statements he has made on this thread.

Cal, I respect your opinion. You sound just like my brother, my best friend, and my dad. They are all idealists, and unrealistic in my opinion. A perfect world does not exist, we are forced to work with the one we have. Some people just aren't going to be as well off as others. We can't save everyone.

What's so idealistic about penalizing poor mothers with tons of kids? China does it, it must work!

http://www.deanforamerica.com/issues.htm#healthcare

Let the flames begin!



C.

[wig]

Originally posted by Cal@Nov 14 2002, 05:43 PM
What's so idealistic about penalizing poor mothers with tons of kids? China does it, it must work!

http://www.deanforamerica.com/issues.htm#healthcare

Let the flames begin!



C.

Cal, I looked at this site and in the very first paragraph Dean states...

"President Bush and the GOP have essentially taken money out of the Social Security Trust Fund, money that is owed to the American people, and used it to finance tax cuts that hurt most Americans."

This guy is either naive or he is purposely deceiving people.

There is no money in the social security trust fund. There is only a computer entry (called book entry) which consists of treasury securities (mostly STRIPS -- zero coupon treasury bonds). It is a collection of Federal Gov't IOU's to themselves, which they count as money. It is nothing more than a massive ponzi scheme.

I prefer a candidate that understands this and is not afraid to air it. Otherwise, it is simply demagoguery.

You should have read the rest, that partisan stuff I knew would turn people off. But he's a politician, so what do you expect I guess.

It was always amazing how the media and economists professed that there WAS no social security trust, yet no politicians that I saw ever brought that to light. Some even campaigned on using it to bring down the debt! Insanity.

C.