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Originally posted by KeyGuy@Nov 3 2004, 04:20 PM I think it will be within a year and a half. After the elation of this election, reality will soon follow.
Just lowering the standards is not the answer. For example, of the things that peaches listed (they have bad credit, they have juvenille felonies or adult misdemeanors, childhood asthma, previously broke a bone, they have a GED and not a diploma) all of the non-medical requirements are there for a damned good reason - people with those in their background are far more likely to fail to make it through boot camp or a first enlistment.
BTW ... the 3% blip for the Marines doesn't concern me much. The problems for the Army National Guard is far more significant.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 7 2005, 01:20 PM Just lowering the standards is not the answer. For example, of the things that peaches listed (they have bad credit, they have juvenille felonies or adult misdemeanors, childhood asthma, previously broke a bone, they have a GED and not a diploma) all of the non-medical requirements are there for a damned good reason - people with those in their background are far more likely to fail to make it through boot camp or a first enlistment.
Uh, who do you think we're going to get if the draft is activated?
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 7 2005, 12:20 PM
BTW ... the 3% blip for the Marines doesn't concern me much. The problems for the Army National Guard is far more significant.
yeah, agreed
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 7 2005, 02:05 PM Peaches,
I don't think we're going to end up with conscription.
Decreasing the standards is not the answer. They are going to have to do what any employer does when faced with an employee recruiting problems.
Well, they're giving good bonuses, so I'm sure that will help. Up to $150K for certain special ops reupping for 6 years.
Mine got a $8K bonus for 4 years and right now his AFSC is giving over $20K for re-enlistment.
It's hard to say they aren't getting much now. We figured out that with his pay, free housing, free food, free medical/dental care, free gym/pool/golf facilities, discounts at the BX and commissary, low cost life insurance etc. He's making about $43K a year. That doesn't include the free education while he's in and the $25K or so for the MGIB. Nor does it include the COLA he'll be getting for Japan and the above mentioned bonuses. No, it's not a lot, but for an uneducated 21 year old, he could do worse. It certainly pays more than first year police and firemen.
Edited to add - my point was that they would decrease the standards before conscription crosses their minds
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 3 2004, 01:35 PM I do not think there will be conscription.
If there IS some form of conscription, it will either happen in 2005, or in 2007.
I can guaran-goddamn-t-you that it will NOT happen in 2006 or 2008 (barring an attack that dwarfs 9/11).
Don't make me get all hostile with you. I'm hoping for a draft...I wanna see the neocon's kids splattered all over the street so the democracy they install can elect even more Iranian Mullah's and tell them their kids died for nothing - reality only works for some people when it touches them.
I wanna see a real draft - this isn't vietnam..the guys in the navy and airforce now aren't in the trenches...back then, you navy guys were in the middle of the shit...neck deep...and you guys earned respect - today those kids are looking for an easy way out - some occupational training. Let's drag some of those flag waving shit machines to the front lines - put em' with the marines/army...let them face what real soldiers deal with and see how people react then when they come back in body bags.
Almost 2K kids have died for these free people to vote for an Islamic theocracy. Congrats...we’re spreading fundamental Islam.
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