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The paper in fire above is more in reference to the adult internet on-line industry than to the message board business
But looking around.....
... many who were/are successful in the adult on line industry are doing many different things now (some mainstream internet, other ...), they carried some of the knowledge, eyeballs and people from adult into other ventures
I don't think the adult message board business is dead but agree with Serge, it needs a shot in the arm to make it worth doing
Hmmm what to do to "pump it up"
or is it time for different boards, different subjects
the spitz thing had challenges but I think that may have been due to the nature of spitz
Season must change, different paths, different ways
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Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 03:11 PM
I am shocked. I always thought Oprano was more profitable.
you are shocked because you just don't know what people make in the board business.
Boards , 99.99% are owned by people who looks at the boards as
1) tool to promote their own programs
2) collect ad revenues which is VERY small % of their income
as boards go,
Oprano is withing TOP 4 ALL TIME BOARD MONEY MAKERS,
behind by YNOT, Netpond, GFY,
who were all much longer in business than Oprano,
with GFY being the ONLY board with the same owner from the day one.
Originally posted by Vick@Apr 3 2004, 03:25 PM
ha ha ha good one!
Serge am I reading this right
You are mentally hungry, needing stimuli
as opposed to being hungry for success or something else?
I'm trying to see the nature of the beast to get at possible solutions
Will chew on it a while and let you know if anything stirs
as I hope many others do as well
Vick, you read it right....making more money than NOOF in 1999,
quenched my thirst for success for the rest of my life.
one CAN have enough success, but for the live brains, stimuli is a MUST,
or brains dies.
This board is the ONLY place on earth I can share and be myself one hundred percent...the people from REAL world will NEVER understand it all,
you, my friends, do.
Near future: Daniel Dl-Maio believes that UFOs have been visiting Earth for all of the history of the world. They are piloted by intelligent beings who once created the biosphere that we inhabit. He believes that there are forces on Earth that are trying to create the fiction that we will soon be invaded by aliens. All of humanity will then focus on preparing to repel such an attack. But, in reality, the "invasion" will be Jesus and his army returning to save the world. See: http://www.bibleufo.com
Near future: Tyndale House Publishers have created the "Left Behind Prophecy Club." In early 2004-JAN, they noted five events in the year 2003 that they feel are "compelling signs of the End Times" in our near future: Israel is constructing a 320 mile barrier to separate itself from Palestinian controlled land.
The removal of Saddam Hussein from power may result in the rebuilding of Babylon.
French President Jacques Chirac suggested that a "pioneer group" of nations within the European Union (EU) separate from the main EU group and progress towards a reunited Europe. This could be the ten kingdom prophesized in the book of Daniel.
By moving towards equal rights for everyone, they feel that the Episcopal Church (USA) is abandoning parts of the Bible. Apostasy was one of the defining characteristics of the end times, according to the Bible.
They feel that the election of Vladimir Putin and his party may lead to a rebuilding of Russia as a dominant player on the world scene, as is allegedly prophesied in Ezekiel. 29
Near future: The American Traditional Catholic Church predicts that "the three days of darkness" will envelop the earth shortly. As a warning sign, a cross will appear in the heavens so that all can see. The family and society will fall apart. "...the gates of Hell will be opened and satan and his demons shall be released and given authority to roam the earth without limitation. There will be complete darkness for three days. " It will be as if time has come to a stand still. The only source of light will be from candles blessed according to the traditional Rites of the Church Catholic." 23
Near future: AgapePress reported that Bishop Huey Harris of the First Pentecostal Tabernacle in Elkton, MD 73-year-old said: "What I'm seeing is the Scriptures being fulfilled right before our very eyes." AgapePress reports: "He says what he is looking for next is for the Church to be raptured, and then Jews receiving Christ as their Messiah."
1999 to 2009: Jerry Falwell predicted in 1999-JAN that Jesus could return within ten years. But before that can happen, he said that the Antichrist must appear. Referring to the Antichrist, Falwell said: "Is he alive and here today? Probably. Because when he appears during the Tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course he'll be Jewish. Of course he'll pretend to be Christ. And if in fact the Lord is coming soon, and he'll be an adult at the presentation of himself, he must be alive somewhere today." Rabbi James Rudin of the American Jewish Committee suggested that Christians should be careful about making such comments. His said that Falwell's statement "plays into some latent and historical anti-Semitism from the past." 2 Rev. Falwell later apologized for his comment.
21st century: Thomas Chase 11 predicts that when the world's population reaches 6.66 billion, the war of Armageddon may occur. In early 1999, it reached 6.0 billion.
2004: Michael Drosnin predicted in his book "The Bible Code II" that there will be terror attacks against New York City and/or Jerusalem. They will be bio-chemical or nuclear attacks. This will trigger World War III. Almost all human life will be eliminated. 28
2004-APR: In the fall of 2003, a Pastor Hawking was allegedly predicting on a Hawaiian cable channel that the start of the Tribulation would occur in 2004-APR. It will arrive without warning.
2004-APR-9: Victor Hopchenk, and Orthodox Christian, has prophesized that by God's "wish and compassion", an asteroid will hit Los Angeles, CA, which he describes as the "center of propaganda of debauch, lechery, violence and cruelty." The asteroid collision will exterminate all life there. God wants Hollywood to stop creating immoral and pornographic films. He has given 49 warnings in the past; this is the 50th and final warning.
2004-OCT-17: Clay Cantrell computes the date of the Rapture from size of Noah's Ark with particular attention to the precise location of the "escape window" in the top of the vessel.
Late 2004: Arnie Stanton noted on 1997-SEP-16 that that evening was the fourth Jewish festival since 1996-APR-3 on which a lunar eclipse occurred. 5 He quotes Luke 21:25-26 which mentions "signs in the sun, in the moon and in the stars and on the earth distress of nations" He believes that "these recent lunar eclipses are the last known astronomical signs that will precede a 7 year (360 day/year) countdown to Armageddon/Christ's return to the Earth." He expects that Christ's return will occur within a few months of 2004-SEP-29 when Asteroid Toutatis will make a very close approach to the Earth - perhaps even a collision!
2006: Annie Stanton predicts that a 14.4 mile long asteroid will collide with the earth. Jesus will arrive and a 1000 year period of peace starts.
2006: According to the Sunday Times in England, a religious group called "The Family" anticipates the end of the world in 2006. "Members are said to be stockpiling food and planning to hide in caves in India."
2006: According to the Weekly world News for 2001-FEB-13, hydrogen bombs hidden in London, Washington and Tel Aviv will be detonated. This will be the start of the war of Armageddon
2007: According to the Weekly world News for 2001-FEB-13, the rapture will occur on the 7th hour of the 7th day of the 7th month of the Hebrew calendar year that corresponds to 2007 CE. Jesus will appear simultaneously in Jerusalem, Baghdad, Washington, Moscow and in every other capital city of the world.
2008-MAR-21: After a lengthy calculation based on the Bible, a British group, The Lord's Witnesses, has concluded that the start of Armageddon will happen on this day. Three quarters of the world's population will die during the subsequent war. This will be preceded by the United Nations taking over complete rulership of the world in the lunar month preceding 2001-APR-24. This is exactly 666 Hebrew months after the founding of the United Nations in 1945. 22
2008-APR-6: Philip B. Brown incorrectly predicted that the Great Tribulation would start on 2001-APR-7, with the appearance of the the two witnesses described in Revelation. He also predicted that the start of Jesus' millennial reign would be on 2008-APR-6. 27
2009-AUG-29: John Dutchman claims to be an astronomer at the Mount Wilson Observatory. He allegedly believes that a small star is passing through the Oort Cloud, the area surrounding the solar system where comets originate. He says that the gravitational pull of the star is forcing at least a third of all of the comets into the sun -- over one million. He predicts that the earth will be hit by from one to many hundreds of comets, ranging in size from 100 meters to near 600 miles in diameter. He expects the collisions to happen on 2009-AUG-29.
1998 to-2012 Gordon-Michael Scallion predicts major catastrophic earth events: global warming, melting polar ice caps, earthquakes, volcanoes erupting, etc.
2012: Michael Drosnin, author of "The Bible Code," found a hidden message in the Pentateuch (the first five books in the Bible) that predicts that a comet will crash into the earth in 2012 and annihilate all life. As a minimum, I suspect that at least one species will survive: cockroaches.
2012: Kev Peacock predicts that the Sun's magnetic field will reverse, and induce a reversal of the Earth's field. This will cause massive geothermal and tectonic catastrophes. Something will happen to the mythical island of Atlantis.
2012-DEC-21: The Mayan calendar expressed a date in the form: 6.19.18.1.5 This means: 6 Baktun, an interval of 144,000 days,
19 Katun (generations) of 7200 days,
18 Tun (years) of 360 days,
1 Uinal (month) of 20 days,
5 Kin (days)
for a total of 1,007,305 days. J. Eric Thompson determined that the first day of their calendar (0.0.0.0.0) was on 3114-AUG-11 BCE according to the Gregorian calendar. 5 This was when they believed that Venus was born. Another source says that this happened on AUG-13 of the same year. Mayans also had a "Great Cycle of the Long Count" of 13 Baktuns or 5,125.36 years. Many interpreters believe that the Mayans expected that the universe would last exactly that length of time. That is, they anticipated the end of the world at the Winter Solstice. 2012-DEC-21 or 13.0.0.0.0 in their notation. 6 John Jenkins has determined that on this date, there will be "an extremely close conjunction of the winter solstice sun with the crossing point of Galactic Equator and the ecliptic." This is an event that will not be repeated for thousands of years. Author Carl Johan Calleman disagrees that the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world. He writes that "the Mayan calendar is about the progress of evolution, not about the end of the world." 25
2012-DEC-21: Terence McKenna predicts that at "the moment of the solstice and the heliacal rising of the galactic center, levels of planetary novelty will exponentially increase." The results of this "ultranovel event" are difficult to predict, but may include "Hyperspatial Breakthrough, Planetesimal Impact, Alien Contact, Historical Metamorphosis, Metamorphosis of Natural Law, Solar Explosion, Quasar Ignition at the Galactic Core." Some of these don't sound too healthy for life on earth. 17 I am personally hoping for the latter, because it would take may years for any effects of that ignition to impact earth -- long past my life expectancy.
2012-DEC-24: A visitor to our web site predicts that on this day, one third of the Ort cloud will rain down on the earth. The Ort cloud is a incredibly large collection of comets that encircle the solar system. Devastation would be total.
2014: According to Sun magazine for 1999-DEC-21, Pope Leo IX (1513-1522) wrote on 1514: "I will not see the end of the world, nor will you my brethren, for its time is long in the future, 500 years hence."
2016: An article in Weekly World News describes a find by a Professor Lloyd Cunningdale of Salt Lake City who was excavating with his students at the site of the famous Donner party disaster of 1847. The latter were a group of settlers bound for California who became trapped by snow in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Cunningdale and students have found a time capsule left by the settlers which contains many predictions for the future. They predict that nations will abandon traditional methods of conflict and resort to the use of biological warfare. In 2016, one such disease will spread and kill all of the humans on the planet. 7
2017: The "Sword of God Brotherhood" believes that Armageddon will occur in 2017. The Prophet Gabriel has told them this. Only their own members will survive to repopulate the world. All of the others (including you and me) will "perish in hellfire." 8
Before 2018: The web site "A Nightmare for Everyone and the Countdown to 2000," predicts that an asteroid and comet will hit the earth, sometime between the re-creation of Israel in 1948 and 2018. See: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8990/
2020s or 2030s: Bill Joy, co-founder and chief scientist of Sun Microsystems predicted the end of humanity in within 20 or 30 years, in an article in the 2000-APR issue of Wired Magazine. He wrote that leading-edge technologies such as robotics, genetic engineering and nano-tech may soon lead to the extinction of human society. 24
Before 2024: A web site titled "Fire from the sky: Meteors and Biblical Prophecy," predicts that a meteor (actually a meteorite) "could" hit the earth in the next 25 years. This would cause fireballs of debris, tidal waves, supher [sic] dioxide, a "red tide" in the oceans, and a dust cloud.
2028-OCT: Asteroid "1997 XF11" will approach close to earth. At first, scientists were concerned that there was a small probability that it might impact earth. However, data from 1990 has indicated that it will miss earth by about 600,000 miles. 21 Still, this is a near miss, as astronomical distances go.
About 2028: A visitor to this web site from Norway has analyzed biblical chronologies and determined to his satisfaction that "Jesus became Messiah [about the year 28 CE] exactly 4000 years after Creation." He believes that God created the world to last 6,000 years. Thus, the end of the world will happen about 2028.
Before 2038: Greenpeace predicts massive starvation due to population growth. Global warning will melt the polar ice caps and cause massive coastal flooding. Thousands of plant and animal species become extinct.
2038: The book "The Bible and the Future" predicts that "large percentage of the world's population will die in a series of severe punishments from God" at this time. See: http://www.alltheearth.com/future/summary.htm
2047-SEP-14: According to The Church of !BLAIR!, the human race will probably be terminated at 3:28 AM (Soho, England time). The church teaches, with tongue firmly in cheek, that if the human race does not discard their plastic conformity, then the Gods will withdraw their protection. The Gods don't want us to worship them; they don't want sacrifices or even offerings. They just want us to rid itself of our excessive "Normalcy". At that point, Astro-Lemurs (extra-terrestrials similar in shape to lemurs, but with rainbow colored bodies) will attack the entire human race and beat them to death with gigantic burritos. You have been warned. ;-)
2060: Sir Isaac Newton, Britain's greatest scientist, analyzed the Bible, which he believed contained God's secret laws of the universe. He concluded that the end of the world will happen in the year 2060. According to Malcolm Neaum, the producer of a TV documentary on Newton: "He spent something like 50 years and wrote 4,500 pages trying to predict when the end of the world was coming. But until now it was not known that he ever wrote down a final figure. He was very reluctant to do so." 26
2076: Bede the Venerable, an 8th century Christian theologian computed Jesus birth as 3,942 years after the world's creation. The 6,000 year millennial week will thus end in this year.
2076: Some Sufi sects expect the end of the world in this year, which is the year 1,500 in the Muslim calendar.
Originally posted by JR@Apr 3 2004, 03:46 PM
2076: Some Sufi sects expect the end of the world in this year, which is the year 1,500 in the Muslim calendar.
Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 01:48 PM non-threaded boards always seemed more homey to me... people get involved in a lot more of what is being discussed instead of seeing a page with 10 topics and maybe opening one of them that looks interesting.
I don’t like non-threaded. I enjoy discussions and threads. Non-threaded boards, to me, seem like they invite all that dribble. I enjoy the ability to read discussions from certain people that intrigued me.
I came on to the whole webmaster board thing much later and Oprano was really the only board I ever spent time on. Even tho I opened my first site back in 1995 hen the whole affiliate/webmaster networking thing took off I was busy or just not interested. Quite honestly I’m still not. I see the advantages and disadvantages. I enjoy Oprano because I’ve met some cool people here and I truly enjoy the discussions. These days I’m heavily involved in a non-adult project and my sites do ok with very little work. Adult Internet is not my primarily focus and I doubt I’ll ever get back into it the way I had been in the past. Still, I enjoy coming here, reading and seeing what everyone is up to.
The industry is changing. Many of us seen it coming a long time ago. Even bigger changes are still yet to come.
Serge is this a mid-life thing? Kidding- I think you’ve moved into a place of balance and where you just don’t need all the nonsense. You’re settled, happy and in a great relationship with a wonderful woman. You’ve pretty much done everything in life you’ve set out to do. Now you just want to sit back, smile and hang out with friends. Makes perfect sense to me.
Dianna
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Very similar subjects have been the topics of many dinner conversations among some of the Atlanta crew for the better part of the last month...
My take is that Oprano is, and always has been, the water cooler for the mature members of the industry. The demographics here include many people who go back to 97-98 and mostly users over 30, and many WELL over 30. The conversations reflect it.
I've said it before, a successful board is one that draws like minded individuals who want to have converations with each other together. In that regard, Oprano is an overwhelming success.
The trick is if you want to make a business of it, how do you make that work? As has been stated already, innovation isn't happening at such a rapid pace. And when the brightest minds do make a discovery, it is typically not in their best interest to share it now.
The big boys in the industry now roll out new stuff or turn big deals on average how often? Maybe once a quarter? Every 6 months prior to Internext? We might hear about a couple of big deals every quarter. Advertising has become more of an exercise in letting people know you're still around and have money to spend and thus can afford to pay your affiliates in many cases.
Love it or hate it, most of the business is being done by the TGP Monkeys in terms of quantity. They're not doing 5, 6 and 7 figure deals, but instead there's a lot of 3 and 4 figure deals and B2B action going on with people selling traffic, gallery spots, scripts, content, hosting, etc.
The point of entry both intellectually and monetarily in this industry is so low that until something major changes to thin the herd, the TGP hoards are going to represent the majority of the industry in terms of population. And unfortunately it is virtually impossible to have bulk traffic these days without doing a bit of TGP work. All of the other sources of traffic have all but dried up.
We've all had to learn how to deal with ALOT of water in our soups, stews and gumbos....
I can't believe I am reading this. At first I thought it was just another SO wank post. But now I do believe he speaking from the heart. I am still not totally convinced but leaning that way. If it is the case that you are getting maudlin and broody you might consider the purchase of a nice porch swing and a new pair of slippers. Figuratively speaking of course.
I think I am very lucky because I had a long and satisfying career in the entertainment business before I did this so have no heights to climb (yes I really did meet all those people and many many more), just cruise, make money,travel and sleep in. So I am content with what I do.
As the internet becomes more universal, it is possible to do this job from anywhere in the world. I was updating my sites at very high speeds from Cambodia one of the poorest places in the world.
20 K a month is OK dough to raise a family, so why not just tread water and/or do something challenging if this bores you. Buy a new business and get a mini van for the new Oprano family soccer team.
Serge you'd make an excellent father and you know I ain't kissing your ass. I've seen you change over the past year and paid close attention to your pictures.
Maybe you and LL should adopt but think about it carefully. personally I'm waiting for my son to have kids. I can enjoy them as if they were mine and give them back when I have other things to do. I'm not sure I could do all that again. The woman I've been seeing the past 9 months just moved in and she has two grand babies. They can come in the summer a few weeks and we'll all have a great time.
Or get another puppy. lol
You both look great BTW.
Hell Puppy, good post and very true. I also see some very big companies that were always in adult plunging forward. It almost looks like they purposely waited for the storm to pass before coming in and bringing that qaulity edge to the net.
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Originally posted by theduderocks@Apr 3 2004, 04:23 PM I can't believe I am reading this. At first I thought it was just another SO wank post. But now I do believe he speaking from the heart. I am still not totally convinced but leaning that way. If it is the case that you are getting maudlin and broody you might consider the purchase of a nice porch swing and a new pair of slippers. Figuratively speaking of course.
I think I am very lucky because I had a long and satisfying career in the entertainment business before I did this so have no heights to climb (yes I really did meet all those people and many many more), just cruise, make money,travel and sleep in. So I am content with what I do.
As the internet becomes more universal, it is possible to do this job from anywhere in the world. I was updating my sites at very high speeds from Cambodia one of the poorest places in the world.
20 K a month is OK dough to raise a family, so why not just tread water and/or do something challenging if this bores you. Buy a new business and get a mini van for the new Oprano family soccer team.
why?
because:
1) the toilet water doesn't taste good even at 20k a month
2) where is the guarantee that the "next business" water will taste any different?
Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Apr 3 2004, 04:27 PM Serge you'd make an excellent father and you know I ain't kissing your ass. I've seen you change over the past year and paid close attention to your pictures.
Maybe you and LL should adopt but think about it carefully. personally I'm waiting for my son to have kids. I can enjoy them as if they were mine and give them back when I have other things to do. I'm not sure I could do all that again. The woman I've been seeing the past 9 months just moved in and she has two grand babies. They can come in the summer a few weeks and we'll all have a great time.
Or get another puppy. lol
You both look great BTW.
Hell Puppy, good post and very true. I also see some very big companies that were always in adult plunging forward. It almost looks like they purposely waited for the storm to pass before coming in and bringing that qaulity edge to the net.
DV, thanks for bringing me back to reality....I havce problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids
;-(((
I guess I'll play with friends kids instead, much better that way
;-)))
yeah...you did see me change over a last few, but....
if I catch you again in the Westin room at the show,
I'll try to nail you again, even though I know it won't work
;-)))))
as long as my memory still works, we'll do fine
;-))))
"I have problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids"
tell me about it... I have a Weimaraner with separation anxiety..... I can't kennel him or send him out to stay with other people.... he needs an in-house dog-sitter when I go away.
Serge, the water isn't any different from one business to another in the end... but the enjoyment of the new flavor of toilet water is what keeps it from being so boring. This business WAS fun because people changed the toilet water daily. Now we are lucky if people remember to flush.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 3 2004, 05:21 PM Serge, the water isn't any different from one business to another in the end... but the enjoyment of the new flavor of toilet water is what keeps it from being so boring. This business WAS fun because people changed the toilet water daily. Now we are lucky if people remember to flush.
Alex
hahahhaha,
my father in lkaw would be proud of me quoting him on Oprano:
"If it yellow - let it mellow,
if it brown - flush it down"
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Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 05:14 PM "I have problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids"
tell me about it... I have a Weimaraner with separation anxiety..... I can't kennel him or send him out to stay with other people.... he needs an in-house dog-sitter when I go away.
hmmm...dog sitter - $40 a day.
putting to sleep, including cremation is only $150....
should I run webmaster auction to save Sonia's life?
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM-->
QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Apr 3 2004, 04:33 PM)
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Originally posted by Monk@Apr 3 2004, 05:14 PM "I have problems putting dogs to kennel and freaking kennels don't even take kids"
tell me about it... I have a Weimaraner with separation anxiety..... I can't kennel him or send him out to stay with other people.... he needs an in-house dog-sitter when I go away.
Those dogs are a pain in the ass. I had an ex who got one and ended up finding a home for him. Always research before deciding to get a breed and make sure it fits in with your lifestyle.
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I have finally managed to get most of the way through this thread.lolol.
I don't really have any strong, coherent thoughts to add to all of this but, Serge, if you want to run the board without Morons, prizes, "would you hit this" and cowtowing to sponsors, then I say by all means do it that way. It has worked thus far
Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 3 2004, 07:03 PM I have finally managed to get most of the way through this thread.lolol.
I don't really have any strong, coherent thoughts to add to all of this but, Serge, if you want to run the board without Morons, prizes, "would you hit this" and cowtowing to sponsors, then I say by all means do it that way. It has worked thus far
Sare, it has begun....the partners has spoken and unanimously have chosen QUALITY over Quantaty...and ready to take ANY consequnces the new policy brings
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 3 2004, 05:48 PM DV, may I have your phone number?
we'll make it worth your while and I'll throw you going medival on my ass as a bonus
;-)))
Make what worth my while? Bring your dog here and just bring me back some good wine. She can stay inside with me and go to work with me.
Do what to your ass? lol- oh shit don't get me started.
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Paying for posts yea we do it and Nick will probably say thats just the hippy in me LOL
Aga and I made the decision to pay for posts for a number of reasons, some obvious to most others prob only you will know why Serge because you have a closer understanding of our complete business model now.
When we got Netpond it was basiccaly a mess, we got raped and pillaged by every fucker in this business before we even got the server passwords LOLOLOL...
Netpond is number 2 busiest adult webmaster board in the world right now accfording to Board Tracker stats.
Oprano posters post what is of interest to them and Netpond posters post what interests them, two different boards with two different peronalities, sometimes netponders wnat to talk business most times not, however they are all webmasters all producing or trying to produce the most money thhey can from webmastering
The fact we pay for posting doesnt mean to say Netpond webmasters are not interested in business. You like post to view ratios Serge Check these views to post ratios
http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay.php?s=...c8a9&forumid=18 <---Interesting one here check the view to posts in the thread where a Sponsor has come to chat, Mark was very happy with the results he got from a 5 srcond post on a paid to post message board...
Horses for courses, just because we pay people to post doesnt mean they need to be paid or have nothing to offer our sponsors, just means they are a bit younger than average age at Oprano and they like to talk about differnet things WHILE they work
Originally posted by Buff@Apr 3 2004, 03:10 PM Were this my board and were I facing the problems you describe, I would try to drop those aspects of the board which attract the vulgar masses and add new features which would continue to cater to the bright people whose company you enjoy.
Perhaps add some news feeds to the main page. Customizable weather. Maybe even turn the whole board into a Board/Portal. Add some stuff that no one else has -- put the national debt clock in the corner. Rotate some random "facts" into the front page -- have them change with every refresh. For instance, it might read "Did you know that right now there are [x] number of employees at the IRS." or "The average worker works until May [20th] of each year just to pay his taxes."
I have a lot of ideas of what you might add to draw intelligent eyeballs, but I am heading to the Quarter with Crystal to go enjoy the beautiful weather right now.
Love,
Buff
Gonzo & I are working on rebuilding OpranoPlus, and these are the types of features we were planning on. Keen to hear any other suggestions on what you would like to see there.
Serge, why are you overcomplicating such a simple decision? If I had asked you this question, you would have give me this advice ...
Stop posting on the other boards, leave lens & brad to deal with a few thousand greedy moronic mouths to feed while we share gourmet food amongst only hundreds. The advertisers that want to continue to advertise here will send their money, those who don't ... won't.
There's a core of us that will stay, there's a few who will drop by less, and some who will never come back. If people stop advertising because you've stopped posting on gfy ... that would be a bit stupid on their part - especially seeing you share many of the same advertisers.
Why the gloom and doom feeling NOW? Not just serge, everyone! This thread is depressing! The hell part has passed, the culling is in full swing and this is where it gets exciting - new ideas are booming and a few companies are starting to shine as leaders. Its not scary NOW, because the unknown is now known ... YES, lots of people will go out of business. Unless its YOU, why feel anything but excited by the future? And if its that bad & boring, find something else to do!
And something many of you seem to be ignoring in this boo hoo thread ...
Almost every opranaut could individually create a formula or hire a couple of staff to do what 1000 gfy/justblows webmasters do. Who gives a fuck if there are 1000's of tgp's ... if I put the effort into a tgp or link list that I do to my primary business, paysites, it would shit on 90% of the crap out there - and most of us here could say the same and not just be sucking our own cocks.
The thing is, up until now we have fought against tgp's & free porn, tried to kill it - and its spread - why? because its what surfers want ... so, why let webmasters give it to them when we can do it ourselves? FREE was supposed to mean 'SAMPLE' ... and one day, it will again.
1 of these roles/groups is disposable, unnecessary, too expensive, and living on borrowed time ...
SURFERS
SEARCH ENGINES
WEBMASTERS
PAYSITES
which one is it?
Look around ... someone has already figured this out ;-)
Last post i will adress the 30% slippage...I know where its going, I know how it gets there and I know where it leaves from
There are lots of bad elements in this business trying to screw every other fucker before every other fucker screws them that has always been the case in this biz...I feel no threat because of the info I know because for the most part is going to stay with me till I die, hopefully of natural causes
There are worse elements in this biz than people who steal traffic and having been the recipient of a death threat that needed to be taken extremely seriously I have taken steps to go to my grave kicking and screaming should I meet with an ounce of lead somewhere...
5 lawyers in 5 countries have full details of my death threat along with everything I know and including pictures
The day I or someone close to me meets with an untiml;ey death is the day that some people are going to wake up with some fucking nasty headaches courtesy of Police forces in 5 different countries in this world.
I have stopped worrying about a bullet in the back of my head, wasnt doing me any good. I have taken steps that will ensure the deed doesnt go unpunished.
Thats why those 4 boards will always be around when the hundreds of others have died.
While im coorecting you I have been an owner of Netpond since day 1 LONG LONG before GFY, the fact that i took time off to sue nicks ass doesnt change that, I paid nothing to get Netpond back, i dropped my lawsuit and Aga negotiated his price with Nick.
Meat,
my %% are correct,
what you call "There are 100s of boards out there now, 99.9% of them are people looking for an easy way to make a fast buck but finding it not that easy..." I don't call boards, I call them "widgets" and I wasn't counting widgets
;'-))))
as for ownerships,
I was more reffering to the uninterrupted stream of revenues than actual possesion. It's like my Worldcom bonds I once had, I still had them but they didn't pay interest
;-))))
P.S. did you notice I wake up at 5 am regardless of what country I am in?
;_)))) Fuckin' ScottPB, messed my clock for good
;-))))
Originally posted by juliansosa@Apr 4 2004, 02:56 AM
I still remember when I started in the biz and was spamming search engines. I was so impressed with this cotac.com guy he had every dam listing . I did not know about refreshes and click thru programs lol . Once I learnt the real story I was more impressed.
Anyways I hear you on stimulation adult is very boring last year or so. I think the biggest thing to hit webmasters and board was maybe poker and look where that started
cj,
I am half way there....takes a time to turn one's head and stop thinking about the stats, the stats I was thinking since 96 and where MORE meant better.
you give one heck of an advice and one heck of a head too, and I am not talking about the pin on your tongue, only brain ;-))
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Apr 4 2004, 02:33 AM cj,
I am half way there....takes a time to turn one's head and stop thinking about the stats, the stats I was thinking since 96 and where MORE meant better.
you give one heck of an advice and one heck of a head too, and I am not talking about the pin on your tongue, only brain ;-))
Serge, yesterday Overtrue sent all their clients a noticed stating that they will stop taking online gambling ads April 30th. This is BIG news as Millions of ad dollars are going to go somewhere else(gambling boards).
also EVERY poker board out there is packed with people who can give great info to webamsters and players alike. The thing about these poker boards are they don't let their posters have sigs or let them promote any of there shit. They have no clue what the hell a "sig" is. I can go to each poker board and start a little drama to get everyone's attention and direct them to Oprano Poker. just letting them know they can have a party poker button in their sig when they post here would give them all a hard-on.
Poker is here to stay and is only going to get bigger. what happened when the adult boards started their boom in 99 is happening to the poker boards today. just wanted your thoughts on this.
There may be 3 other boards that Oprano competes with
I dont think Oprano has to compete with any other board it stands alone as a unique board because of the people and personalities that frequent it. Nothing will change that unless Serge and Mike close it down.
Other boards may be busier but there will always only be one Oprano.
As a board owner that competes against other boards, Oprano is the only other board I will read or post on, the others mean nothing to me and have no relevance for me except for Netpond to kick there asses))
We stopped competinmg against Oprano along time ago, we can live with each other and exist togther
Serge, traveeling with you is a great experience for me, I see things I never see before and I get in alot less trouble) Looking forward to the NY reunion
BTW I finnaly figured out what OPRANO stands for...
Other Peoiples Resources Are Now Ours
))
U guys did good and you should NOT close this place down, the industry needs it.
04-03-2004
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