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Yeah doing drugs while pregnant is selfish, as is drinking alcohol etc.. Those poor kids never had a chance to begin with. It's too bad there isn't some kind of test that people have to take before getting pregnant, and some master switch somewhere that turns her ability to concieve on and off.
I wish there was some kind of test.. but then again.. things like this can't be tested for:
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Ah you're not fun! I'll think of something.

Have you ever seen "The Pillow Book" with Ewan McCgregor (sp) ?

Total full nutidy of him in it.. it's an awesome Japanese story... one of my favorites.

You should check it out. Last time I checked Blockbuster had it.
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While the feelings about the subject of this thread are very strong I could live without seeing it this morning - or any other
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Ewan MacGregor naked you say? ON MY WAY!!
It's a very interesting and good movie besides EMc being naked.
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I already thought he was dead sexy, but that just completely clinched it. I think I will go watch Moulin Rouge this afternoon.
I couldn't bear to watch more than the first 45 minutes of MR - Ewan or no Ewan.
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Nowadays she is Trev, but she used to be curvier. Think back to when she did that movie with Tom Cruise and they were settling the West. Can't remember what it's called, of course.

Still, with a week of good food she'd have her nice hips back and a natural blush in her cheeks
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Nowadays she is Trev, but she used to be curvier. Think back to when she did that movie with Tom Cruise and they were settling the West. Can't remember what it's called, of course.

Still, with a week of good food she'd have her nice hips back and a natural blush in her cheeks
One film she did do it for me was Dead Calm... much more of a figure back then
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I wish I could say I was going to be able to stick around after posting this - but I have to leave for the afternoon. Even so, I wanted to weigh in with my 2 cents (don't we all?).

My view is simple: Everyone can have an opinion - but no one should be able to LEGALLY enforce thier opinions on a mother to be. Period.

People can make all kinds of comments about how Mom's who abort should be sterilized, and so on. Or start debates about whether abortion is murder, etc, etc, etc.

Bottom line - if you're not THAT person, carrying THAT baby - you shouldn't have a say in what THAT mother decides to do. It's her life, not yours.

We can dissaprove of a persons life choices all we want - and even be right about it. But we shouldn't be able to tell them not to make those choices - it is their life, after all.

Along those lines - with respect to the women who have posted their views - it's an interesting statistic that the greater majority of pro life activists are single men. In other words, men who don't carry a child, and haven't even committed to marriage. As a married man who prefers women strong and free, I find this statistic appalling.

Just my 2 cents. Debate - fine. Prosecute - a violation of personal liberties.
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I wish I could say I was going to be able to stick around after posting this - but I have to leave for the afternoon. Even so, I wanted to weigh in with my 2 cents (don't we all?).

My view is simple: Everyone can have an opinion - but no one should be able to LEGALLY enforce thier opinions on a mother to be. Period.

People can make all kinds of comments about how Mom's who abort should be sterilized, and so on. Or start debates about whether abortion is murder, etc, etc, etc.

Bottom line - if you're not THAT person, carrying THAT baby - you shouldn't have a say in what THAT mother decides to do. It's her life, not yours.

We can dissaprove of a persons life choices all we want - and even be right about it. But we shouldn't be able to tell them not to make those choices - it is their life, after all.

Along those lines - with respect to the women who have posted their views - it's an interesting statistic that the greater majority of pro life activists are single men. In other words, men who don't carry a child, and haven't even committed to marriage. As a married man who prefers women strong and free, I find this statistic appalling.

Just my 2 cents. Debate - fine. Prosecute - a violation of personal liberties.
I agree with you to a Point... when a mother-to-be, however, is abusing the system by consistantly having "birth control abortions", they are taking away from others who actually need medical attention. THAT would be where I draw the line. That's pretty much how it is in Canada. You are allowed a maximum of 4 state-funded abortions before you have to pay out of pocket, and I believe there's a cap on the number thereafter as well. But yes, it's up to the mother and for a government to tell her what she can do with her body is a crime.
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Sorry - one other thing.

When I was 20, my then wife got an abortion against my wishes - because she was leaving me and didn't want the hassle. And it was devastating. While I now have a stepdaughter I love very much, it's unlikely I'll ever experience having a child of my own.

Even so - I stick with my convictions above. That was between me and her, and never something I would want a law to resolve for me.
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Jeezus those are some horrible pics. Anyway, using abortion as birth-control is fucking retarded, and every hood rat on welfare loves using this method. Partial-birth abortions really should only be used if the mother's life is in danger. If you don't want the kid, quit fucking every guy on your block.
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Mother's rights, mother's body, mother's choice...
*sighs and quietly asks*

What about the baby's rights, body, and choice?
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Jeezus those are some horrible pics. Anyway, using abortion as birth-control is fucking retarded, and every hood rat on welfare loves using this method. Partial-birth abortions really should only be used if the mother's life is in danger. If you don't want the kid, quit fucking every guy on your block.
Just to bring something up:

The morning after pill is relatively new. If a condom breaks, or you have unprotected sex, you know you're in trouble and can use it. But it HAS been only recently prescribed.

In addition, many other medications render birth control pills ineffective. It's becoming widely known now, but for decades my mother delivered "Antibiotic babies". I personally see no reason why abortion shouldn't be available for these women.
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Mother's rights, mother's body, mother's choice...
*sighs and quietly asks*

What about the baby's rights, body, and choice?
Yeah.. Depends on the situation though too.
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What about the baby's rights, body, and choice?
Posting bloody abortion pictures as an argument against abortion is like posting pictures of open heart surgery as an argument against by passes. I have photographed lots of open heart surgery and it looks disgusting, but it saves lives. So stop with the stupid abortion pictures already. You guys live in a country that is blew the shit out of an entire nation twice in my lifetime, dropped the mother of all bombs in "surgical" raids and in the process killed, maimed,burnedand paralyzed a lot of innocent people. Those were not pretty pictures either. But you never forced anyone to look at those. Personally So I guess throwing the baby out with the bath water is just another type of surgery to save aur democracy b: our freedom c:a mother's life
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Sorry - one other thing.

When I was 20, my then wife got an abortion against my wishes - because she was leaving me and didn't want the hassle. And it was devastating. While I now have a stepdaughter I love very much, it's unlikely I'll ever experience having a child of my own.

Even so - I stick with my convictions above. That was between me and her, and never something I would want a law to resolve for me.
Killing babies for convenience.

You know... if killing babies was as legal in the outside world as it is inside a womans womb you could only imagine how much the number of infant mortalities would clime.

Hell.. when it comes to convenience those of us with kids could name a few instances I'm sure when things would have been more convenient, less expesive or just downright easier without them. But we made a choice.. and that choice is what puts us in the situation we're in.

I'd rather chose a good partner then be partner to someone who murdered our child. I feel for ya man!

If having your own genetic child is important then you should do it. There are many ways people in a marriage can create there own genetic offspring
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Jeezus those are some horrible pics. Anyway, using abortion as birth-control is fucking retarded, and every hood rat on welfare loves using this method. Partial-birth abortions really should only be used if the mother's life is in danger. If you don't want the kid, quit fucking every guy on your block.
I agree with you except for one thing... I thought hood rats on welfare got more money with more kids?

Funny how our society gives economic incentive for those in a bad state to bring more into this world in a bad state. It's unfortunate. I wish they gave incentives for hard working people to have more children. We'd end up with more children growing up in healthy environments then in the hood.



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What about the baby's rights, body, and choice?
Unfortunately the baby depends on the host ( mother ) for life and nourishment. If the mother dies.. the baby dies. If the mother wants the baby to die.. it will die. There is not stopping a woman from exercising her rigth to take control of her body and that which is in it. It's natural law. The ultimate choice of life in human beings belongs with the mother. Not a piece of paper that says she can't do something. Not community standards. Not her husband or family. The choice, in the end, is hers.
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Funny how our society gives economic incentive for those in a bad state to bring more into this world in a bad state. It's unfortunate. I wish they gave incentives for hard working people to have more children. We'd end up with more children growing up in healthy environments then in the hood.
I don't know how it is in AU, but in the US, parents who aren't on welfare get MUCH more in tax incentives than welfare parents get in welfare payments. In fact, my "child free" friends are more irate at THOSE government payouts than welfare.

And I won't even bring up how being poor or rich has no bearing on if the environment you grow up in is "healthy".
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If you don't have a uterus your opinion about abortion really doesn't carry much weight


Some say life begins at conception, I say it began with the carbon atom millions of years ago!!!
(and I still think coming out of the ocean was a bad idea - you doubt me - look at sexed - proves my point)


If all this concern(, lip service and rhetoric) went to pre-school children and not pre-born FETUS how much better would conditions be???
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Excellent point.

What's interesting is that the die hard pro-lifers I know would never dream of offering to adopt the children of these women they try to scare out of having an abortion.

One family friend marches against abortion constantly. They have 5 kids. I asked them once why they didn't adopt: "Because we wanted our own kids. We wanted to know what we were getting.". :angry:

And of the many couples I know who have adopted, they all wanted white healthy babies. Crack babies and those with fetal alcohol syndrome need not apply.

There are tens of thousands of children in foster care looking for adoptive parents. Why not spend time and energy on them?
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and most of them are so physically unattractive no one wants to fuck them anyway- another problem solved


The solution is simple - you don't want an abortion - DON'T HAVE ONE

on the other hand abortion should be legal and safe for those who choose that option (in what is the best out of many bad choices ofttimes)

In fact abortion should be FREE to low income mothers and welfare recipients if they want to choose that option


As for partial birth abortions - the words partial birth are absolute bullshit
There is NO BIRTH involved (the fetus would not survive outside the womb in most cases)

If the fetus does not have the opportunity for a normal life or the mother's health is in danger ....
A painful solution for all involved again the best of many bad choices
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p.s. I know my opinion doesn't count because I don't have a uterus
I don't have one either.

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The solution is simple - you don't want an abortion - DON'T HAVE ONE

on the other hand abortion should be legal and safe for those who choose that option (in what is the best out of many bad choices ofttimes)

In fact abortion should be FREE to low income mothers and welfare recipients if they want to choose that option


As for partial birth abortions - the words partial birth are absolute bullshit
There is NO BIRTH involved (the fetus would not survive outside the womb in most cases)

If the fetus does not have the opportunity for a normal life or the mother's health is in danger ....
A painful solution for all involved again the best of many bad choices
I don't want to tarnish your reputation
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