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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 02:08 PM Buff, I'm not going to bite and play a numbers game with you.
Yes, there is a very real threat from Islamic fundamentalists. I don't think that all subscribe to that brand of Islam. You take the simple-minded approach. Not suprising, actually; - it is easier as it deesn't require anything complex, like thought. There are a lot of people who share your approach today - some of them because they are incapable of thought, some of them because it fits very well into whatever particular agenda they are trying to push forward.
The biggest problem I have is that putting something as simple-minded as your point of view into action as policy is the wet dream of the Islamic fundamentalists. Folks like you want us to become the most effective recruiter they have.
PD:
Look, I would agree with you if you said something like...
"Most leftists are basically good people who are simply misguided. It's only the fringe like the ELF Greenies, or the NAMBLAites, or the race-baiters, or the radical atheists who really mean to be malicious."
I can agree with that, because I believe it to be true -- most leftists are leftists by default: they never learned economics, and they think central planning is a viable means of sustaining human existence.
But Islam is not similar. Have you ever seen the polls in Saudi Arabia or Egypt? They DESPISE us (and sometimes rightfully so). They also despise the rest of the world which is not under the Sharia. And we're not talking about a radical fringe. We're talking about your average Mo. He thinks the West is evil and that as long as the West is allowed to exist as is, Allah will be pissed.
Now, the more Westernized Muslims tend to be more peaceful and less radical. Your average Iranian hates his rulers. I concede this. Your average Muslim Turk is pretty well integrated into the 21st century, intellectually.
But go down the list: Palestine, Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Yemen (I'll leave out the conflicts due as much in part to regional issues as religion -- Chechnya, Indonesia, etc.) -- these are very bellicose people. The empirical evidence speaks for itself.
Originally posted by JR@Sep 15 2003, 03:31 PM [labret] rules. i dont agree with a lot of his views but his presence and continued posting will definately mark the decline of flag waving on Oprano.
Not from me!
Labret is just the inverse of PD. A quasi-wanna-be-intellectual who beleives in National Socialism...
Most America haters are the same.... its pretty boring actually.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 02:29 PM Uhhh ... [labert], aren't you the guy who likes to post "proof" of the Jewish conspiracy to dominate the media?
If it looks like a duck ...
First, even if I did post something that showed there was an over abundance of Jews in the media, what the fuck does that have to do with National Socialism?
Last time I checked, National Socialism was an ideology independent of race and or ethnicity. Case in point, this is the homepage of some Japanese National Socialists While Hitler made it famous, it would be like saying you can only be a communist if you are Russian.
Is that how you jackasses see National Socialism?
Rule #1: Hate Jews.
Yup, thats it, National Socialism in a nutshell. As if the Nazi version of National Socialism was the only ideology that disliked Jews. Muslims have hated them, Christians hated them, Communists hated them. Whats this kneejerk reaction to call someone a Nazi because they dislike Jews? Simply nothing more than the sheeple proving my point.
To be VERY accurate - there is no America country wise... America is a continent, a land mass - North, Central, South
Fuck me we are gonna play a semantics game uh?
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You cannot like a country but not its people...
I almost just want to let that one stand alone. Like a beacon of retardation against the night sky.
I love England. I love the history, the environment, the weather. The people, suck. I used to live in Finland. The country itself, beautiful. The people, suck. I would love to visit Israel just for the history, but I would rather see a Zionist die in a bus bombing than anything else I can think of. Catch my drift Corky?
Do you think fat lazy fucking redneck Americans embody the soul of this country? Do ex sorority girl soccer moms in their SUVs embody the American Spirit? I live in Detroit when not in school. Do the masses of poor niggers sucking the welfare system dry embody the Spirit of this great nation?
Fuck all you fat consumer pieces of shit. Your forefathers didnt fight so you idiot fuckers could sit around fat and lazy, cultureless, ignorant of your own history.
I bet you couldnt pass a basic highschool US history test. If you cant they should revoke your fucking citizenship. You abused the privilege.
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You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!
Ahh yes, true help comes from the TV doesnt it? Just more proof.
Labret, we need to start off on square one. Is there any group of people you DO like? Do admire? Do respect? People who are alive today - not history.
Sure it would be nice to have a country where rugged individualism is rewarded, and the federal gov't does not butt into every aspect of ones life - but that is no longer reality. Since the Civil War the 10th Amendment has been ignored.
But we have to deal with reality, the situation we live in now, not some fantasy land.... Maybe you can buy some land up in Idaho and start your own country, with like minded people. Just watch out for Janet Reno....
Oh and the part about TV was humor, if you would relax a little, maybe you would have caught that.... Only thing I watch regularly on TV is sporting events which are fed to me by the zionist corporations to keep the masses amused....
that and porn from time to time....
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Mike, considering that Buff has posted his hatred of Islam, Canadians, and apparently a few other things I haven't bothered to read, I suspect that it is he that has a little too much hatred to go around.
I think he should count himself lucky to make his money with his small head rather than the contents of his big one.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 07:00 PM Sorry, I cannot stay on the sidelines on this one...
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You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!
Mike, considering that Buff has posted his hatred of Islam, Canadians, and apparently a few other things I haven't bothered to read, I suspect that it is he that has a little too much hatred to go around.
I think he should count himself lucky to make his money with his small head rather than the contents of his big one.
Alex
Alex is your issue with Buff or with me?
I have no problem with Islam or Canadiens in general....
I do think all islamic terrorist ( fundamentalist ) should be wiped off the planet.
I also think Canada is a 4th rate power, with some issues with its brother to the South.... but that is what happens when you do not for Independence and stay a colony of another country for so long....
I do dig Canadien women!!
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Flag waving for any person in any country. It is no different then holding up a sign in support during a demonstration or yelling YeeHawwwww at the top of your lungs at a concert...
It is showing your feelings towards something........
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Flag waving for any person in any country. It is no different then holding up a sign in support during a demonstration or yelling YeeHawwwww at the top of your lungs at a concert...
Hmm ... so patriotism and belief in a cause is the same as being a big fan of [insert favorite music group here]?
The sad thing is, for some people there is no difference. They trot out a few memorized lines and consider it patriotism, the same way members of some religions trot out a few lines from the catecism and call it faith.
I am every bit the patriotic American that Mike is, no matter what Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh tell him to "think", and I use the term very loosely. Gimme a break - if the irony of saying "the same lame quotes" in the same sentence as "brain washed communists" was deliberate, it would be downright clever.
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Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.
Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.
As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 08:24 PM Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.
Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.
As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.
Alex
Alex... there is no hate baby.... for you to say that I have hate in me is ignorant. You are trying to base this opinion on some posts I make on the webmaster boards??
PD - I have been Conservative since birth.... way before Rush or Ann were public stars. I know you have a hard time comprehending this, but I develop my own ideas... I base them on my personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom I have picked up over the years.
In my opinion Ann and Rush have come to MY way of thinking.... :-)
I like them both, mostly as entertainers.... they both play their public roles very well, and I think they are both VERY funny. But I also think Moore and Franken are funny as well.... I just do not agree with what they are saying, but its still funny!!
I know its easier to paint people like me as a hater, who has no sense of humor.... but that stereotype does not apply to me...
So stick it on someone else....
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Mikey ... how come you have such a hard time understanding that others develop their own ideas based them on personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom picked up over the years - and they don't always agree with yours?
If, as I believe you have posted, you subscribe to the opinion that liberals are not patriotic Americans but instead believers in some foreign ideaology - then buddy, you are a hater.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 09:07 PM Mikey ... how come you have such a hard time understanding that others develop their own ideas based them on personal experiences and the knowledge and wisdom picked up over the years - and they don't always agree with yours?
If, as I believe you have posted, you subscribe to the opinion that liberals are not patriotic Americans but instead believers in some foreign ideaology - then buddy, you are a hater.
No PD, I think SOME liberals are not patriotic.... there are some liberals who are indeed patriotic!
My #1 issue with liberals is on Foreign Policy - especially now. We used to have the understanding that dissagreements end at the waters endge.... Not any longer, and this is from BOTH parties!
Economic issues, labor issues, social programs, etc.... these are all legitimate issues to have debates and disagreements on. But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.
Too bad that most dems do not see this and use it as a way to demagouge Bush....
PD I may dissagree with you, but I do not think you are unpatriotic....
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I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD ANY HATE. I DIDN'T COMMENT ON YOUR FEELINGS AT ALL! You said about someone else's posts: "You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!" I said "I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there."
Quote me if you can where I said you are a hater of any sort. I didn't.
Alex
PS: 3 posts from me. New record. Enough.
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I don't care what any of you say. I have a lot of hate. You can nuke the Middle East as far as I'm concerned. It's time to take on and defeat Islam in one final crusade.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 15 2003, 06:12 PM But when it comes to WAR, foreign conflict, one that we did not want, or start - well I think we need to work together.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 07:57 PM Hmm ... so patriotism and belief in a cause is the same as being a big fan of [insert favorite music group here]?
bunch of fucking word twisters running tonight....dammit....
I did not equate flag waving to patriotism...and I never will...
Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 09:15 PM Mike, READ CLOSELY:
I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD ANY HATE. I DIDN'T COMMENT ON YOUR FEELINGS AT ALL! You said about someone else's posts: "You have a lot of hatred.... You need to spend some time watching Oprah and Dr. Phil... I think they can help!" I said "I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there."
Quote me if you can where I said you are a hater of any sort. I didn't.
Alex
PS: 3 posts from me. New record. Enough.
HAHA Alex I was just baiting you into more posts!!
Good to see you around.
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Mikey ... when U.S. foreign policy is being conducted in a manner detrimental to the interests of our country, then it's folly - if not unpatriotic - to fail to criticize it.
Following a policy that is guaranteed to recruit a great many more converts to radical Islam is a necessary step when it produces results beneficial to our country - i.e., Afghanistan. The same cannot be said in Iraq.
You want to talk about war with alQaida? Fine - I'm down for that. But please don't try to tell me that's what the war with Iraq was over - because alQaida wasn't there until we made it possible for them to be there.
Oh, I know ... the proof of the connection between Iraq and alQaida is underneath the massive stockpiles of WMD that binLaden and Hussein are sitting on.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 10:11 PM Mikey ... when U.S. foreign policy is being conducted in a manner detrimental to the interests of our country, then it's folly - if not unpatriotic - to fail to criticize it.
Following a policy that is guaranteed to recruit a great many more converts to radical Islam is a necessary step when it produces results beneficial to our country - i.e., Afghanistan. The same cannot be said in Iraq.
You want to talk about war with alQaida? Fine - I'm down for that. But please don't try to tell me that's what the war with Iraq was over - because alQaida wasn't there until we made it possible for them to be there.
Oh, I know ... the proof of the connection between Iraq and alQaida is underneath the massive stockpiles of WMD that binLaden and Hussein are sitting on.
PD you fail to see the big picture.
Iraq strategy had more to deal with over all stability and getting our troops ouf of Saudi Arabia....
Look for Colin's post on Power Politics in thread on Arafat. Maybe he can explain these concepts better then I can.
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Mikey ... I don't think I fail to see anything at all. What you call the "big picture" I see as a fantasy consisting of smoke and mirrors.
If, as you say, the Iraqi incursion is about oil then we are marking a return to the policies of imperialism. Those policies failed. It is less likely that they will succeed now.
The appropriate lead-in to a statement like "Iraq strategy had more to deal with over all stability" was best made by that famous actor Herve Villacheze (as Tattoo in "Fantasy Island").
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Uh oh, Joe6pack and Soul Rebel make an appearance. Its gonna be ugly.
I will argue till my fingers bleed that I am indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be.
My founding forefathers were not ass kissing sycophants who just towed the fucking party line. They were terrorists to the Crown.
If MikeAI and Buff would have been around in 1776, they woulda been on the British side, towing the party line much the way they do now. After all, talking bad about government puts you on the side of the enemy. Right Buffy?
Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 10:50 PM I will argue till my fingers bleed that I am indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be.
My founding forefathers were not ass kissing sycophants who just towed the fucking party line. They were terrorists to the Crown.
This is America....
we don't give a fuck what your founding forefathers did.....
we don't give a fuck what your founding forefathers did.....
What have you done that is so patriotic ?
Im not sure if you are clueless or just simply retarded. I am an American.
Define "patriotic".
By your statement I am assuming you feel that you have to prove your patriotism with visible deeds. As in you have to "do" something to prove you are a patriot.
I consume. I drive an SUV. I have a big flag decal on the back and a taz tattoo of him kickin bin ladens ass with an American flag. I yell at communist lefties on message boards, I listen to country music, love George Bush and Jesus Christ. I say the pledge of allegiance every day and have a ton of 9-11 commemorative plates. I love fireman and policemen and New Yorkers, as they are the true heros. I joined the military because it was easier than going to college, and I helped liberate Kuwait thus keeping Americans safe.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 11:08 PM By your statement I am assuming you feel that you have to prove your patriotism with visible deeds. As in you have to "do" something to prove you are a patriot.
If you are going to claim that you are "indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be" then you better be able to back it up....
So, again, what have you done that makes you so Patriotic ??
and again, I don't give a fuck what your founding forefathers did....
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 11:10 PM Talking bad about the government collecting taxes, or regulating business, or does not put you on the side of the enemy - it makes you a patriot.
Talking bad about the government's foreign policy (if a Republican is president) - now THAT puts you on the side of the enemy.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 11:08 PM I joined the military because it was easier than going to college, and I helped liberate Kuwait thus keeping Americans safe.
That your idea of a patriot goober?
I believe the military part was added later..... or I missed it, if I did, sorry...
If it was edited in after I posted, then you're just an assfuck using GFY tactics...
Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 05:24 PM Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.
Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.
As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.
Alex
you dont exactly spread a lot of sunshine yourself. i cant imagine what it must be like to wake up everyday knowing that you embody all the traits and behaviors that you yourself, despise in others. that has to be the mind fuck of all mind fucks.
i want you to know Alex that i love you. i want to help you. i want to help you let go of the self loathing. its time we got RawAlex to start loving himself instead of mocking and attacking himself and his behaviors in others.
give yourself a hug. a long, tight, loving hug. There, doesn't that feel nice? Now stand in front of the mirror and repeat to yourself ... "It's ok to be me. I like me." Now say in a more reassuring tone, "dammit, i like being me!"
now give yourself another hug.
don't let go until you feel you are ready. reassure yourself by letting yourself know that everything will be ok and that today, the first, largest and most painful hurdle was cleared. today, it became ok to be RawAlex. it feels good.
Mike, you see JR post. Now you know why I don't post here.
JR, one day I will be as perfect as you. You are the total and complete perfection. Perhaps if I study real hard, I will be equal to the guy who lives next to the guy who gets the honor of kissing your feet each morning. That would be an accomplishment beyond my wildest dreams.
Actually, on second though, JR, or pleasurepays, or pleasureyourself, or whoever the fuck you are, you are hereby invited to FUCK OFF AND DIE. Your are a useless piece of shit with nothing better to do that belittle others, and you add nothing to any of the discussions here. You are a waste of pixels. Please fuck off.
Mike, now you know why I don't post here. Why bother?
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 07:24 PM Mike, I don't have any issue with your views one way or another, except to say that when you say someone has a lot of hate, I think that you need to look closely at Buff's posts as well... there is alot of hate there.
Buff's outbursts smack of ignorance, racism, broad brush type casting, and a serious ditto head mentality.
As I said, he should consider himself lucky that he makes his money fucking.
Alex
Alex: Did you know that I have never danced in the streets to celebrate anyone's death, not even Hussein's sons' deaths? I don't celebrate when IDF troops exterminate Palestinian murderers. Hatred? Me?
It's not hatred. It's self defense. The only time I ever attacked any Muslims was to defend other Muslims in the first Gulf War. That's right, I put my life on the line to protect Muslims. Seems to me that I've earned the right to state my opinions about their religion.
And, of course, I invite you to prove to me that all the polls which say over 50% of Muslims worldwide approved of the 9/11 attacks were somehow mistaken.
In summation, I don't hate these people -- I just want to protect myself from them, because they threaten my way of life.
And as for how I make my living, I would be lying if I said it doesn't irk me that YOU somehow consider yourself to be in a position to pass judgement on my intellectual capabilities -- cuz you're not.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Sep 15 2003, 09:50 PM Uh oh, Joe6pack and Soul Rebel make an appearance. Its gonna be ugly.
I will argue till my fingers bleed that I am indeed far far more patriotic than any of you will ever be.
My founding forefathers were not ass kissing sycophants who just towed the fucking party line. They were terrorists to the Crown.
If MikeAI and Buff would have been around in 1776, they woulda been on the British side, towing the party line much the way they do now. After all, talking bad about government puts you on the side of the enemy. Right Buffy?
You dumb fucking git, you don't know dick about the founding fathers. You would have been one of the cowards who said, "But it's only a small tax -- we don't want war with England."
Originally posted by RawAlex@Sep 15 2003, 09:50 PM Actually, on second though, JR, or pleasurepays, or pleasureyourself, or whoever the fuck you are, you are hereby invited to FUCK OFF AND DIE. Your are a useless piece of shit with nothing better to do that belittle others, and you add nothing to any of the discussions here. You are a waste of pixels. Please fuck off.
Alex, why are you so bitter? i dont agree with you.. but it would be hard to go totally over the edge like you tend to.
i used to have a lot of hatred towards my father. i wanted him dead when i was in my teens. one day i realized that the hatred was hurting me and no one else. that was the moment i just let it all go. it was one of the few defining moments in my life.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Sep 15 2003, 10:38 PM If, as you say, the Iraqi incursion is about oil then we are marking a return to the policies of imperialism. Those policies failed. It is less likely that they will succeed now.
Did the US take a break from imperialism or something? I must have missed that. When did this happen?
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Originally posted by Buff@Sep 16 2003, 12:58 AM Did you know that I have never danced in the streets to celebrate anyone's death, not even Hussein's sons' deaths?
You guys are soft. I did. I wish we'd keep a body count like in Vietnam. What's the score?
Potential Future Muslim terrorists: 39,880
Dead Iraqi tanks: 5550
American soldiers: 292
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