The Deecash Plot Thickens

[tony404]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry, can't let this go... a true two shotter today:

1) About half the threads at this moment on the zoo are insane payout promotions for various Deecash sites ($100 - $200 PPS on $1 trials?)

2) Mr Deecash himself proved to be a top notch standup guy and a bro by buying tons of champagne in Vegas at the xbiz deal.

I am guessing the people at the zoo are too young to recognize the pattern here.

you are a wise man

[RawAlex]

Well the $200 a join deal with join right now is backfiring, thread over at the zoo is showing people get 1 in 3000 and 1 in 5000 conversions, and worse getting it on bought traffic they paid more to get. Oddly nobody from Deecash is answering on that thread.

[DannyCox]

As Karl Marx said, "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce"

We are in the farce phase, and the guys who buy into all this deserve what they get...nothing.


"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history"
- Shaw

[pam]

I never, ever push a sponsor during a special like that. Why? Everyone and their dog is buying up spots, loading up their sites with links.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by pam

I never, ever push a sponsor during a special like that. Why? Everyone and their dog is buying up spots, loading up their sites with links.

Not just that - no matter how "hot" the sites are, wary surfers will spot the two pre checked $40 each cross sales and run for the hills. They are already more skittish than deer in a shooting range, this just makes them run like a shotgun blast.

Imagine signing up for a $1 3 day trial and staying a member for, I dunno 40 days. You get billed your $1, you get billed $1 for each of 2 more sites, and then you get whacked for $39.97 times 2, plus the original site's 39.97, and then it all whacks you again next month before you see your CC bill. Total damage for 40 days is $242 plus, or about $6 per day!

I smell chargebacks!

[gonzo]

Dee bought everyone Crystal in Vegas. Hes a top notch guy!

[RawAlex]

Stand up dude. A Bro.

[DannyCox]

I just love him, and send all my traffic his way. Hey! Free drinks Dude. He rocks!

[Footman]

Don't people ever remember the saying "If somethings seems too good to be true then it is?"

It always seemed odd to me seeing payouts at those crazy numbers. Logically you'd have to know the program isn't going to lose money so somewhere in the mix someone is getting fucked. The bigger the payout the drier the fuck seems to be.

[softball]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I just love him, and send all my traffic his way. Hey! Free drinks Dude. He rocks!

and real champagne. That is expensive. He must be rich.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Footman

Don't people ever remember the saying "If somethings seems too good to be true then it is?"

It always seemed odd to me seeing payouts at those crazy numbers. Logically you'd have to know the program isn't going to lose money so somewhere in the mix someone is getting fucked. The bigger the payout the drier the fuck seems to be.

It is even more basic: $200 comes from where? The customer. In a business where we are totally lucky these days on mainstream porn sites to retain past 2 months, so the customer has to be paying $100 a month minimum just to make it break even. I can't picture anyone who has been in this business more than a few days thinking that anyone is going to pay $100 a month for anything.

Now, I will say this: The deecash guys are smart on one thing: they only pay the high signup rate if you contact them after the promo by email and tell them your account and how many signups you are claiming, so they aren't paying it out to existing account holders if they don't know about the promo. So I suspect they aren't paying it out on a huge percentage of the business.

Funny, the zoo, is about 30 - 40 % deecash promo these days, and the chuckleheads over there are stupid enough to fall for it.

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by Nymph

Anyone else here leary of joining any new progs for fear they might get bought up too?

Not really. Can't let stuff like this keep you from getting work done. If they're new and get bought up it's that much easier for me to pull 'em considering I'll have less shit out there.

[RawAlex]

Interesting on the zoo that more and more people are starting to call them out, call out the cross sale hell... like revenue share programs with prechecked cross sales. Nice!

[softball]

I noticed that. Back in the day,they would never have done that. Where do you think this is all going? I think the fallout could be enormous. Just when we were gaining a level of trust, this shit happens.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Interesting on the zoo that more and more people are starting to call them out, call out the cross sale hell... like revenue share programs with prechecked cross sales. Nice!

My favorite is when someone is posting reasons that the prechecked cross sales are a good thing from meeting the customers needs to helping companies survive the lean times. So when Im stuck with .5 cb ratio who do I get to kick in the balls? lol

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

My favorite is when someone is posting reasons that the prechecked cross sales are a good thing from meeting the customers needs to helping companies survive the lean times. So when Im stuck with .5 cb ratio who do I get to kick in the balls? lol

You can thank people like Mitch and Epoch who allow this and vendors like Dee and 12clicks whos sites are so weak that they have to trick a surfer into buying.

What else do you do with a poor product?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by gonzo

You can thank people like Mitch and Epoch who allow this and vendors like Dee and 12clicks whos sites are so weak that they have to trick a surfer into buying.

What else do you do with a poor product?

What I don't get is don't these people have any vision to see what going to be coming if this shit keeps up? Visa says we have had enough and decide to pull out of adult, they dont need adult.In the big picture we are nothing.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

What I don't get is don't these people have any vision to see what going to be coming if this shit keeps up? Visa says we have had enough and decide to pull out of adult, they dont need adult.In the big picture we are nothing.

No different than Hooper with his fucking toolbar.
He got his and FUCK YOU!

And Im sure he would tell you that too.

[RawAlex]

gonzo, you hit it exactly. My personal opinion is that the deecash crew has found a hole in the system, a way to game things so they can extra a bunch of money in very short order, but to do it they need tons of programs to have tons of different types of processing so that their system works out. I don't think it is about running a good buisness or selling a great product, but about gaming the CC system and taking advantage of the customer in the short run to make a killing.

$100 and $200 PPS payouts (only if you email them within 24 hours of the end of the special promo time) is a way to extra traffic from the zoo crew. People are starting to wonder why they don't just set up a special payout in NATS. Well, duh!

The move to NATS also allows them to load up a bunch of different processing options for each site and program, which gives them more chance to jam stuff through. Until the acquiring banks catch on and shut down the system, it will keep going.

[tony404]

The problem is it seems sales are down regardless of the bullshit they all throw and many programs are starting to use prechecked cross sales as a way to make up for the loss.
Clicks said it himself on the jungle:
"Here's a clue for the utterly clueless.
If you're a revshare webmaster with a good bit of rebills, its in your best interest to have them not go under. Unreasonable demands from webmasters were tolerated when times were good. Now things are tight and made worse because of affiliates' unreasonable demands. So go on handcuffing the company managing your rebills from making extra money in a bad market. I'm sure in the end, you'll get just what you deserve."

Now fucking over the people who can afford to buy your product isnt good in my limited business knowledge especially in leaner times. lol

[Toby]

Originally Posted by tony404

Clicks said it himself on the jungle:
"Here's a clue for the utterly clueless.
If you're a revshare webmaster with a good bit of rebills, its in your best interest to have them not go under."

What a crock of shit. Revshare rebills pay for themselves. The program doesn't pay the affiliate until AFTER they've made the sale.

I guess these guys have to justify it somehow in their own minds so they can sleep at night.

[RawAlex]

Clicks misses the point. We aren't talking about upsells inside the members areas, but rather the point of intial sale when the guy first signs up. I give sites the bigs thumbs up for working their membership area for all it is worth, especially upselling things like Cam and other non-competitive products. If he feels he has to stay a rebilling member (that pays me every month) to have access to the cam site inside, then you have done both of us a favor.

Pre-checked cross sales on the intial signup page are a totally different deal.

[RawAlex]

They are going all out for major bro status now: cruise ship party open bar casino thing.

It takes a lot of wool to pull it over everyone's eyes, I guess.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

They are going all out for major bro status now: cruise ship party open bar casino thing.

It takes a lot of wool to pull it over everyone's eyes, I guess.

Lars must be jealous cuz Dee is TOP NOTCH!

[Toby]

And the bro's at the zoo are just eatin' it up.

[tony404]

I got to give him credit he never loses his cool.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty F View Post
This is funded by the 2 prechecked cross sales on the join pages hidden underneath the submit transaction button. Have fun everybody...your free beers are from the 120 euro charges the surfers pay for access to a Deecash site. Why you think they can afford to do this?

Every day 1000's of people get hit by MASSIVE charges after signing up for a Deecash site. These are the people who will never ever buy a porn membership anymore. When Deepak is retired with his millions you will be crying on gfy that you can't get sales anymore.

Have fun at Internext sponsored by top notch, stand up guy Deepal from Dee -fucking over the surfers and affiliates - cash.


Hi Dirty F,

I see that you've posted in a lot of threads of ours and seem to have a grudge against us for some reason.

Let me point out some facts:
1. I have made the most investment in the industry till date. I care about the longevity of this business and we are obviously in it for the long haul.
2. Yes we have 2 prechecked cross sells, and they are visible - like almost every other major affiliate program out there. So why exactly are you jumping on us? This is done so we can maximize revenue for our affiliates and pay them out the highest possible revenue. If you think we are in super high profitability when paying out $50-200 PPS to our affiliates on trial joins , you are wrong. Our affiliates is the sole reason we have grown successful, we are here to support them in anyway possible.
3. We run a very straight forward business. We operate below visa/mc chargebacks threshold, we have excellent customer support. We have an open refund policy for those that have left the cross sell checked by mistake - We also give them free passes just for calling in because we care about our customer base. We don't have any "weird" billing practices. Its as simple as that.
4. We are now also shifting our focus on to delivering a better product, getting more content for our affiliates, giving them the tools that they need.

If you do not want a $45 pps+, we would love to set you up with linkcodes with out any cross sells, its as simple as that.

I dont' mind supporting any of the facts I state. If you like, you can e-mail me directly or contact me and i'd love to have an open discussion with you about this. dee@ |nospam| deedevelopments.com .

In no way am I harming the industry - I owe a lot to this industry , Given my recent investments, I am definetely depending on the longevity. If any affiliate does not like pre-check cross sells on their linkcodes, they can send us a simple e-mail and we will remove them - but of course they will get the lower payout structure.

Everyone, thank you for the support to make this event great. We hope everyone will have a great time on the boat. We've made some special arrangements to make this night great for you.. Lets all have a great time, enjoy and get some solid business done. I'll be available all night for anyone that wants to come over and say hello!

-Dee
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[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I got to give him credit he never loses his cool.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty F View Post
This is funded by the 2 prechecked cross sales on the join pages hidden underneath the submit transaction button. Have fun everybody...your free beers are from the 120 euro charges the surfers pay for access to a Deecash site. Why you think they can afford to do this?

Every day 1000's of people get hit by MASSIVE charges after signing up for a Deecash site. These are the people who will never ever buy a porn membership anymore. When Deepak is retired with his millions you will be crying on gfy that you can't get sales anymore.

Have fun at Internext sponsored by top notch, stand up guy Deepal from Dee -fucking over the surfers and affiliates - cash.


Hi Dirty F,

I see that you've posted in a lot of threads of ours and seem to have a grudge against us for some reason.

Let me point out some facts:
1. I have made the most investment in the industry till date. I care about the longevity of this business and we are obviously in it for the long haul.
2. Yes we have 2 prechecked cross sells, and they are visible - like almost every other major affiliate program out there. So why exactly are you jumping on us? This is done so we can maximize revenue for our affiliates and pay them out the highest possible revenue. If you think we are in super high profitability when paying out $50-200 PPS to our affiliates on trial joins , you are wrong. Our affiliates is the sole reason we have grown successful, we are here to support them in anyway possible.
3. We run a very straight forward business. We operate below visa/mc chargebacks threshold, we have excellent customer support. We have an open refund policy for those that have left the cross sell checked by mistake - We also give them free passes just for calling in because we care about our customer base. We don't have any "weird" billing practices. Its as simple as that.
4. We are now also shifting our focus on to delivering a better product, getting more content for our affiliates, giving them the tools that they need.

If you do not want a $45 pps+, we would love to set you up with linkcodes with out any cross sells, its as simple as that.

I dont' mind supporting any of the facts I state. If you like, you can e-mail me directly or contact me and i'd love to have an open discussion with you about this. dee@ |nospam| deedevelopments.com .

In no way am I harming the industry - I owe a lot to this industry , Given my recent investments, I am definetely depending on the longevity. If any affiliate does not like pre-check cross sells on their linkcodes, they can send us a simple e-mail and we will remove them - but of course they will get the lower payout structure.

Everyone, thank you for the support to make this event great. We hope everyone will have a great time on the boat. We've made some special arrangements to make this night great for you.. Lets all have a great time, enjoy and get some solid business done. I'll be available all night for anyone that wants to come over and say hello!

-Dee
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A lot of people believe their own hype. He sees nothing wrong with what hes doing and he bumped his own thread.

He left out how you have to tell them that you want the promo payout the day after it ends.

They use NATS. Thats easy enough to manage.

[Toby]

I think I'll pass. I don't know 'bout y'all, but I prefer being kissed while I'm getting fucked.

[RawAlex]

He left out the parts about not directly disclosing to Visa who the beneficial owners are of all these programs he is taking over are, he didn't mention the offshore accounts and the shuffle to keep them all from blowing up, he didn't mention that taking over these programs has given him access to more merchant accounts and more options to bill as needed, etc.

His ideas are very, very short term, and the only good news is he is paying out enough money that one fuckup and the whole house of cards collapses quick like.

[DannyCox]

I'm just waiting to see an update on some of the programs they've taken over. Most haven't been touched since they were sold.

As for their customer service. Carol has a member who got caught in the pre-checked sales trap last month. While he was trying to take care of it with them, they charged him again! He was told it was his fault and that the pre-checked boxes were very clear. He was also told that it wasn't his fault he was stupid! The guy wrote Carol asking her what he should do and has been keeping her updated. So far, he hasn't received a refund, and at first was told he wouldn't get one. Now they are just stringing him along. Carol told him to contact Visa and chargeback and to report it as a fraudulent charge.

So much for their customer service.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

...So much for their customer service.

But Dee is "TOP NOTCH" how could he let this happen?

Many of the sheep at the zoo are still just blindly following along, chasing the dangling carrots of large PPS payouts, but a growing number are making more and more noise about this shady stuff.

I just have my fingers crossed that the aftermath doesn't cause major credit card processing issues for the rest of us.

AVN is reportedly working on an "in-depth unbiased feature on X Sells and their effect on the industry." That ought to be rich.

[softball]

I just have my fingers crossed that the aftermath doesn't cause major credit card processing issues for the rest of us

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Yeah, to paraphrase that great American philosopher, Yogi Berra, "Its old school all over again."

That cocksucker (excuse me for calling him something useful) is going to cause serious damage to the business. Like many before him. It is an internet porn tradition that draws sighs of admiration from the those who forget what these guys did. Its kinda like the Kennedy family. Thugs who bought respectability. You all know who you are and you all know who they are.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

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Yeah, to paraphrase that great American philosopher, Yogi Berra, "Its old school all over again."

That cocksucker (excuse me for calling him something useful) is going to cause serious damage to the business. Like many before him. It is an internet porn tradition that draws sighs of admiration from the those who forget what these guys did. Its kinda like the Kennedy family. Thugs who bought respectability. You all know who you are and you all know who they are.

thats my biggest fear Visa says fuck you to us,we are seriously fucked.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

AVN is reportedly working on an "in-depth unbiased feature on X Sells and their effect on the industry." That ought to be rich.

Annonnced just as Deecash sponsors a big party at Internext!

As a side note, I think that the Deecash stuff is particularly bad because the cross sales are below the submit button, in a position where surfers might not ever actually see them - and further, the details of those cross sales are even further down.

I think that the pre-checked cross sales are bad, and the positioning is a pretty clear indication that they are trying to slip one by. I think if Visa actually looked closely, they would turn off the processing.

[DannyCox]

As I mentioned before, the check boxes are set so that in a standard sized browser window, they sit just below the viewable area. Most people just don't scroll down, but fill out the form and hit submit.

Deepak loves to say that he's doing it all for the affiliates, and of course, not for himself. I remember people screwing everyone 10 years ago, and saying the exact same thing. In fact, his post on GFY reads almost the same as what Levy et al used to post when they were caught doing similar things!

We can bitch all we want, but as long as Dee has the sheep on his side he'll keep screwing with surfers and affiliates alike. He's just a young kid with access to loads of Daddy's dirty money, and I doubt if he even really cares if his program even makes money in the long run. He gets to throw it around now and act like a big boy.