Porn house illegal, Miami rules

[gonzo]

A porn producer argued that male models performing sex acts for the Web in an Edgewater home don't represent an adult entertainment business. Code enforcers didn't buy it.

Posted on Wed, Aug. 15, 2007

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BY LAURA MORALES

llmorales@MiamiHerald.com

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Miami officials say an Internet porn company is illegally running an adult entertainment business at 503 NE 27th St.


The residents of Northeast 27th Street in Edgewater may not have neighbors like Pretty Ricky, Jerzey Flyrt and Nick Da Kannon for much longer.
After 10 hours of listening to evidence and arguments, Miami's Code Enforcement Board ruled late Monday that Phillip Bleicher's Flava Works, an Internet porn production and distribution company, is illegally running an adult entertainment business out of a single-family home at 503 NE 27th St. -- zoned for residential use -- and ordered that those operations cease.

''I think the city has met its burden of showing a link between the house on 27th Street and the website,'' board member Oscar Rodriguez Fonts said before moving to deny a motion, made by Flava Works attorney James Benjamin, to dismiss citations posted by city code inspectors in May.

The website is CocoDorm.com, where visitors can, for a fee, watch live video streams from the Edgewater house, where chiseled young males are paid $1,200, plus room, board and meals, to live in the two-story home for a month and have sex with each other on schedule.

Monday's hearing was the third in the sex-house case. Assistant City Attorney Victoria Mendez argued that Bleicher also was running an illegal rooming house, but that violation was dismissed.

Benjamin argued that the house, leased by Flava Works from owner Angel Barrios, was not part of the adult entertainment operation. He cited a Tampa case where the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that VoyeurDorm.com, a female version of CocoDorm, was not guilty of similar violations.

He also argued that business transactions don't happen at the house and that all sales and distribution take place at Flava Works' office at 2610 N. Miami Ave.

''No member of the public came to the location to view, buy, trade or obtain any adult entertainment,'' Benjamin said.

But Mariano Loret de Mola, the city's director of code enforcement, testified that, on one occasion, he saw a man he recognized as ''Dorm Dude'' Breion, who is prominently featured on the website's main page, walk up to the Edgewater house and punch in a code to let himself in.

That, and the differences between Miami's and Tampa's laws, scuttled Benjamin's argument.

''Miami's adult entertainment ordinance encompasses Internet activity in a way the Tampa ordinance did not,'' Rodriguez Fonts said.

Benjamin said he intends to file an appeal within the next few days. ''But we're not sure where we're going to file the appeal yet,'' he said. ``We're not going to put our tail between our legs and go away. The activity is protected by the First Amendment.''

Mendez said the decision would not be enforced immediately.
''The city has no problem with giving them two weeks to get their business affairs in order,'' she said.

[TheEnforcer]

What a crock. Sad what you can't do in the privacy of your own home.

[Hammer]

I wouldn't want a porn house in my neighborhood anymore than I want a crack house.

[riabanana]

That's some home business.

[Forest]

i knew that was coming

im glad i got out of running cam houses years ago

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Forest

i knew that was coming

im glad i got out of running cam houses years ago

Hmm? Interesting reply. Ya just learn new stuff here everyday @ The Big O

Regardless, Miami/Dade County is not the place to be messing with adult stuff in private houses.

Originally Posted by hammer

I wouldn't want a porn house in my neighborhood anymore than I want a crack house.

You really burn me whenever you make comments like that man
And it's not the first time either.

As if it's ok to just sell the drug, Has long has your not the one making the it?

That aint right bro

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Hmm? Interesting reply. Ya just learn new stuff here everyday @ The Big O

Regardless, Miami/Dade County is not the place to be messing with adult stuff in private houses.



You really burn me whenever you make comments like that man
And it's not the first time either.

As if it's ok to just sell the drug, Has long has your not the one making the it?

That aint right bro

What a silly comment. People sell oil but I don't want an oil refinery or well in my backyard. There are strip clubs in my town, but I don't want any near my neighborhood. There are sanitary landfills in my area, but I sure don't want to live next to one.

I don't want anyone running a business in my neighborhood that doesn't meet zoning requirements. I don't want someone running an eBay business if it means that there are going to be delivery trucks driving up and down my street and parking in front of their house all day long.

Just because I make money selling porn doesn't mean I want to be close personal friends with people in the porn biz or have someone producing it in my neighborhood. But, if that pisses you off, I dont' really care.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

What a silly comment. People sell oil but I don't want an oil refinery or well in my backyard. There are strip clubs in my town, but I don't want any near my neighborhood. There are sanitary landfills in my area, but I sure don't want to live next to one.

I don't want anyone running a business in my neighborhood that doesn't meet zoning requirements. I don't want someone running an eBay business if it means that there are going to be delivery trucks driving up and down my street and parking in front of their house all day long.

Just because I make money selling porn doesn't mean I want to be close personal friends with people in the porn biz or have someone producing it in my neighborhood. But, if that pisses you off, I dont' really care.

IC So it's the zoning issue that bugs you, not the actual business itself?
You must clarify this human, Thank you

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

IC So it's the zoning issue that bugs you, not the actual business itself?
You must clarify this human, Thank you

There are just some things I don't want in my neighborhood. I realize that they have to do it somewhere and some neighborhood will have to put up with it, just like there are halfway houses in some neighborhoods. Fine with me, just as long as no one tries to set one up in my neighborhood.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Hmm? Interesting reply. Ya just learn new stuff here everyday @ The Big O

ehich part was interesting?

the part where i said I knew that would happen or the part about me running cam houses?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Forest

ehich part was interesting?

the part where i said I knew that would happen or the part about me running cam houses?

the second one

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

the second one

yeah i ran cam houses for the first 5 years in the biz

shitty fucking biz to do in the us

if u want to make real money with cam houses u need to do it offshore where labor is cheap

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Forest

yeah i ran cam houses for the first 5 years in the biz

shitty fucking biz to do in the us

if u want to make real money with cam houses u need to do it offshore where labor is cheap

Yup, that's apart from the legalities also involved, but shitty? naa, I don't believe that, Has long as you run a clean operation, it's actually fun & entertaining. Are you doing any overseas studios at the moment? or are you totally out of it? From the way you talk, it sounds like your all out of this field now.
Dang, I wish I would have know this when you where standing in front of me

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Yup, that's apart from the legalities also involved, but shitty? naa, I don't believe that, Has long as you run a clean operation, it's actually fun & entertaining. Are you doing any overseas studios at the moment? or are you totally out of it? From the way you talk, it sounds like your all out of this field now.
Dang, I wish I would have know this when you where standing in front of me

He would have told you . . . FAT GUYS CAN FUCK!

There are so many Forest stories that could be told here. Hell they are archieved here.

Forest is a genuine character in this business!

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Yup, that's apart from the legalities also involved, but shitty? naa, I don't believe that, Has long as you run a clean operation, it's actually fun & entertaining. Are you doing any overseas studios at the moment? or are you totally out of it? From the way you talk, it sounds like your all out of this field now.
Dang, I wish I would have know this when you where standing in front of me

I hate to repeat myself but i will

SHITTY SHITYY SHITTY

you deal with the most unreliable people in this biz and u have to rely on the on a daily basis.

I had 2 houses running 6 rooms so thats 12 girls every 6-8 hours u need to rely on showing up and shpowing up ontime and showing up not all stonned out or drunk or after just having a fight with their bf or the baby sitter not showing up ect ect

having to rely on models to show up for a 1 hour photo shoot is one thing

having to rely on the to show up 4-5 days a week for a 6-8 hour shift is completly different

Clean house means nothing. I always ran clean houses. had house moms. fed the girls even picked them up

AND trying to run a cam house in the us while broadcasting on a network where the girls need to make atleast 20.00 an hour to stay if not easy.

TRUST me I lived slpet eat pissed shit webcam houses for years

I would never touch them again even off shore

and Fun and entertaining?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I could tell you stories about some of these girls that would make your hair stand up

[Rcourt64]

LOL This is what I figured, I don't run it this way. I don't have a house full of girls running around naked and drunk. "probably the way most people think it's done" I believe the concept used:
"The house full of girls crap" would have never worked because of all the comments you mentioned and then some. Boyfriends, drama, drugs, drunks, and all those things will destroy this environment for a cam business.
And this is where almost all the so-called studio operators failed.
If you run independent girls who just run a 1 or 2 girl studio per they're own homes. and have them spread out all offer the city works great
Maybe if they'd stopped treating them as employees, and treat them like independent contractors might be where most studios have fail.

P.S forgot to mention, No Overhead either this way

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

If you run independent girls who just run a 1 or 2 girl studio per they're own homes. and have them spread out all offer the city works great .

thats not running a WEBCAM house

and thats what we have been talking about

and where in my post did I say anything about girls running around the house naked and drunk?

There was NO drinking allowed in any of my houses and girls had to be DRESSED at all times outside of the studio

u need to learn to read posts before responding to them

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Forest

thats not running a WEBCAM house

and thats what we have been talking about

and where in my post did I say anything about girls running around the house naked and drunk?

There was NO drinking allowed in any of my houses and girls had to be DRESSED at all times outside of the studio

u need to learn to read posts before responding to them

maybe YOU also should learn to read more clearly also

LOL This is what I figured, I don't run it this way. I don't have a house full of girls running around naked and drunk. "probably the way most people think it's done" I believe the concept used:
"The house full of girls crap" would have never worked because of all the comments you mentioned and then some. Boyfriends, drama, drugs, drunks, and all those things will destroy this environment for a cam business.
And this is where almost all the so-called studio operators failed.
If you run independent girls who just run a 1 or 2 girl studio per they're own homes. and have them spread out all offer the city works great
Maybe if they'd stopped treating them as employees, and treat them like independent contractors might be where most studios have fail.

P.S forgot to mention, No Overhead either this way

Just because I'm not bonded by a work environment does mean I'm not connected threw legal paperwork. So yes. running a studio is the same either threw just paperwork or physical environment.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Just because I'm not bonded by a work environment does mean I'm not connected threw legal paperwork. So yes. running a studio is the same either threw just paperwork or physical environment.

LOLOLOL

get a clue dude

if they raid some house in Minnisota that you "contracted" you think they are going to come and get you in NY?

newb

btw when did u stand in front of me?

I would have remembered meeting a moron like you

[Hammer]

I know someone else that ran a webcam house, and provided room and board and the whole nine yards, and he shares the same sentiment as Forest. Now he promotes iFriends and makes a couple million bucks a year instead.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Forest

LOLOLOL

get a clue dude

if they raid some house in Minnisota that you "contracted" you think they are going to come and get you in NY?

newb

btw when did u stand in front of me?

I would have remembered meeting a moron like you

UHHHH DUHHHHH, wouldn't that be towards my advantage there???
No dumb ass they're not. My bind between my side and the performers have nothing to do with what they do in the privacy of there own homes. if they want to sell chocolate chip cookies from there home also? thats on them, and what they do between the surfer and herself? is between them. not me. Kinda like the contract between the cam sponsor site and the performer.
WOW You people really are still in the old fashion dark ages around here huh?
and how the fuck did Minnesota come in the scene?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I know someone else that ran a webcam house, and provided room and board and the whole nine yards, and he shares the same sentiment as Forest. Now he promotes iFriends and makes a couple million bucks a year instead.

Ya well that was my intension in a way trying the web master thing, but I realize it's not my bag. Webmastering should be left to the true pros.
It's not for me
And this person you know probably has the same sentiments as Forest because he probably ran it the same way all the others tried. This is a problem again, lack of innovation. they think what works for one guy is gonna be just as successful for the next. So they tend to do the copy-cat versions of everything.
Forest things that because he ran it a certain way, is the way I'm doing it. So naturally all he sees are the failures involved.

[Hammer]

Oh, I have no doubt you're doing it well and that's why you have half a million bucks burning a hole in your pocket. If it works for you, stick with it and obviously Forest's opinion will mean nothing to you because you are already operating a cam business and aren't some newbie looking for advice.

I'm curious though, if you say webmastering isn't for you, how are you promoting your cams?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Oh, I have no doubt you're doing it well and that's why you have half a million bucks burning a hole in your pocket. If it works for you, stick with it and obviously Forest's opinion will mean nothing to you because you are already operating a cam business and aren't some newbie looking for advice.

I'm curious though, if you say webmastering isn't for you, how are you promoting your cams?

Shhhh, That the idea thats still in the cats bag I have an idea, but I guess if I was to say? that would be divulging it.
I'm not ready to talk about that part yet Mighty One sorry.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Ya well that was my intension in a way trying the web master thing, but I realize it's not my bag. Webmastering should be left to the true pros.
It's not for me
And this person you know probably has the same sentiments as Forest because he probably ran it the same way all the others tried. This is a problem again, lack of innovation. they think what works for one guy is gonna be just as successful for the next. So they tend to do the copy-cat versions of everything.
Forest things that because he ran it a certain way, is the way I'm doing it. So naturally all he sees are the failures involved.

yeah and your going to reinvent the wheel

tell me genious why would some girl run a cam biz from her house on a site u dont own and pay u a cut?

she would have to be the stupiest person on the earth