Is innovation in adult dead? And why?

[Hell Puppy]

The adult side of the web used to be extremely innovative. There have been lots of new concepts and inventions for both types of sites, business methods and marketing done in adult over the last decade plus. Think about how many you can quickly name, both good and bad?

Picposts
TGP's
Pop-ups
Blind links
Free trials
Limited trials
Pop-unders
Cross sells

Now how many can you name that have been invented in the last 2 years? 3 years? Heck, even 5 years?!??

Meanwhile, mainstream seems to be kicking our ass over the last couple of years. There's constantly some neat new idea for a site out there from Digg to Twitter to Jaiku to all of the cool stuff that Flicker has been adding. And let's not forget Myspace, Youtube, etc.

Why?

My theory is most of the innovation right now is being driven by "Web 2.0" (i hate that term by the way). But for community and collaboriative user participation sites like these to work, you MUST have the trust of the user and not just try to slip your hand into their back pocket and take their wallet. That's something most of the companies currently driving the economics of the adult web do not understand.

[psl]

We have just developed some software for download to own, I know it's not that new but we have been looking at offering it to webmasters as a package, so they can allow their members to download scenes and movies and burn it to DVD so the customer can watch their porn on whatever player they wish.
The basic package would be, webmasters get to license the software and store content on our servers and we cover all bandwidth etc.
Webmasters have already taken the customer subscription so the webmasters will just pay us a flat fee per month for the service.
We are going to roll it out after we have had some more feedback and can tweak the system to suit both parties.

Innovation isn't dead just on a slow down. Things will get interesting if and when Google launch their mobile phone, couple this with the iPhone, more people can access porn via thier mobilesin a user friendly way.Fast moving webmasters will embrace this opportunity and use the mobile platform as another means of driving traffic to sites and/or providing limited content sites specifically for mobiles and using these mobile sites to upsell to the main website.

[Rcourt64]

I think a major problem is everyone is still thinking inside the Internet's "Web 2.0", and if we continue this route, I sincerely believe "as if it's almost not already" allot of the Internet adult industry is doomed:
Picposts
TGP's
Pop-ups
Blind links
Free trials
Limited trials
Pop-unders
Cross sells
Thats all olds school tools.
Mainstream is eating adult industry up in the creativity and idea department. and if we don't start looking "outside the box" well... I won't need to repeat myself again.
Gaining the trust of the user in adult department is easier said than done HP. I'm absolutely aware that you HP have tons of experience in gathering and retaining customers. So I'm not attempting to challenge what you say sir. But I'm just expressing my thoughts of how I see my world and it's involvement in the adult porn world.

I recall about a month or so ago, GonZo posted a "10 reason list Internet porn is dying". or "something along this topic" I'm not hunting this thread down right now, cuz I'm busy. But I believe adult porn innovation is not on the top of the major Internet Adult Industries list.
We lack creativity, and we all should step outside the Internet and maybe take a peek inside.

[Rcourt64]

opps I almost forgot:

[Toby]

Adult has always been the first to embrace new technology when it comes along. That's not going to change, and innovation will continue to occur around those new tech tools.

[gonzo]

Mobile has already been unsucessfully tested as a major revenue stream for porn.

Phones are nothing more than a bitrate for VOD delivery.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Mobile has already been unsucessfully tested as a major revenue stream for porn.

Phones are nothing more than a bitrate for VOD delivery.

I have never had much faith in mobile revenue. A lot of thunder and not much substance. Never say never, but not at the moment. I think the biggest technical innovation that has really effected the whole of internet marketing is Flash.

[Hammer]

It's easy to be innovative when you're new, but logically things slow down as time goes by.

In the beginning of the adult Internet there was nothing. You had BBS's and that was it. Then along came pay sites, and then picposts which evolved into TGPs and linklists. During that period it was easy to innovate because pretty much nothing had been done before. However, now that most of the stuff that people could think of off the top of their head has been done, we're left with what the forward thinkers can come up with and certainly that is going to happen at a much slower pace.

Is innovation dead? Hell no. Is it easy to come up with new and innovative ideas? Nope. But that's fine with me, because one day when I come up with something truly innovative, I'll be one of the few instead of one of the many.

[softball]

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
So that's that then.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
So that's that then.

[Sexyteaser]

There is so much more that can be done and I think we should have an oprano round table and get to work!

[Jace]

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INNOVATIVE AS FUCK

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899.
So that's that then.

It's not about inventing anything sherlock shit head

I have an orange. I didn't invent it.

I have a strainer. I didn't invent that either


but I created this:


And I'm making millions with it.

It's not about inventing anything, it's cause you all sit inside the Internet Box and think your answers lay within. and they don't.

Why is it that when I speak to you rhetorical, I feel like I'm back in Kinder garden

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

It's not about inventing anything sherlock shit head

I have an orange. I didn't invent it.

I have a strainer. I didn't invent that either


but I created this:


And I'm making millions with it.

It's not about inventing anything, it's cause you all sit inside the Internet Box and think your answers lay within. and they don't.

Why is it that when I speak to you rhetorical, I feel like I'm back in Kinder garden

Ah, here my Tampa friend I dsagree with you.

A creation is an invention.

An invention does not have to be totally new, it can be a recombining of exisitng things in a new way that produces a new product.

In your example with the Orange and a strainer you have not invented a new product, after all Orange Juice has been around since the first Orange. However, you have created a new method for getting at the Orange Juice, no longer do I have to peel the Orange and get rid of the crap to get at the juice, now it can be packaged in a glass, a bottle or any other type of container. So while the parts you used were not new and in reality the product produced was not new the combination of the parts to produce the product (Orange Juice without the Orange) is new. The methodology you used is the invention.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Ah, here my Tampa friend I dsagree with you.

A creation is an invention.

An invention does not have to be totally new, it can be a recombining of exisitng things in a new way that produces a new product.

In your example with the Orange and a strainer you have not invented a new product, after all Orange Juice has been around since the first Orange. However, you have created a new method for getting at the Orange Juice, no longer do I have to peel the Orange and get rid of the crap to get at the juice, now it can be packaged in a glass, a bottle or any other type of container. So while the parts you used were not new and in reality the product produced was not new the combination of the parts to produce the product (Orange Juice without the Orange) is new. The methodology you used is the invention.

it is a service offred, he gets the juice and sllls the juice, nothing inovative at all.

he fills a need . supply and demand simple economics 101 . he finds a demand for oj and gives them oj.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Ah, here my Tampa friend I dsagree with you.

A creation is an invention.

An invention does not have to be totally new, it can be a recombining of exisitng things in a new way that produces a new product.

In your example with the Orange and a strainer you have not invented a new product, after all Orange Juice has been around since the first Orange. However, you have created a new method for getting at the Orange Juice, no longer do I have to peel the Orange and get rid of the crap to get at the juice, now it can be packaged in a glass, a bottle or any other type of container. So while the parts you used were not new and in reality the product produced was not new the combination of the parts to produce the product (Orange Juice without the Orange) is new. The methodology you used is the invention.

There are a lot of inventions to getting orange juice into the box and onto your table....not the least of which is the box...the materials created and the processes to make the box. The hundreds of patents to make sure the juice is safe to drink. The thousands of patents involved in growing the oranges in sufficient quantity to produce juice at a commercial level. The hundreds of thousands of patents involved in constructing the roads and manufacturing the cars and metal to transport the juice. Hell, all inventions rely on previous invention. I wonder what the first invention was. It would surely be the only pure invention. I guess Rcourt never got out of kinder garden because he can't even spell it. BTW, that is the great thing about adult. You can be a moron and still make a living. It is kind of an equal opportunity industry. Of that we should be proud.

[Hammer]

There's a big difference between innovating and inventing. There are still new inventions coming out daily, but most of them are based on previous inventions. In our business we don't need to invent anything, but being able to innovate sure helps.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I guess Rcourt never got out of kinder garden because he can't even spell it.

HAHAHAHA!!! Sherlock shit head took the bait
Someone owns me 20 bucks. I told you he didn't block me

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

HAHAHAHA!!! Sherlock shit head took the bait
Someone owns me 20 bucks. I told you he didn't block me

Now thats pretty funny.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Now thats pretty funny.

Yeah, its pretty funny since I saw it in a quote. I wondered how long it would take you to dance R. You been punked. Now say your sorry and get someone to quote it. OMG that was truly funny. Can you spell Newbie?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Yeah, its pretty funny since I saw it in a quote. I wondered how long it would take you to dance R. You been punked. Now say your sorry and get someone to quote it. OMG that was truly funny. Can you spell Newbie?

Nah, what's funny (since you seem to need these things explained to you on a perpetual basis) is that you said you had him on ignore.

He nailed you on that one, whether purposely or as an unexpected side effect I could not say.


And it is funny

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Nah, what's funny (since you seem to need these things explained to you on a perpetual basis) is that you said you had him on ignore.

He nailed you on that one, whether purposely or as an unexpected side effect I could not say.


And it is funny

I do and what exactly is your point?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

it is a service offred, he gets the juice and sllls the juice, nothing inovative at all.

he fills a need . supply and demand simple economics 101 . he finds a demand for oj and gives them oj.

If it is new (as in his example the producing of the Orange Juice is new) then it is most definitely innovation.

Innovation can be a new product, a new method, a new sales approach, anything that inroduces a new component to the mix is an innovation.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I do and what exactly is your point?

That you have him on ignore but you still bother to reply (even if you read it in a quote) I find quite amusing.

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

That you have him on ignore but you still bother to reply (even if you read it in a quote) I find quite amusing.

Ah, well you are easily amused. But you, again, are backpeddling. Sorry bud, but you can't dance out of this one. LMFAO Damn you are lowering your standards to Rcourt's????? WTF
I am so tired of perpetually explaining shit to you, btw. I think that is actually more to the point.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Ah, well you are easily amused. But you, again, are backpeddling. Sorry bud, but you can't dance out of this one. LMFAO Damn you are lowering your standards to Rcourt's????? WTF
I am so tired of perpetually explaining shit to you, btw. I think that is actually more to the point.

You do get old. I backpeddled nowhere. You replied to him. You have him on ignore. If you are going to have him on ignore then fucking ignore him.

Just because you make a claim does not make it so.

Time for you to declare victory and retreat as usual

[softball]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You do get old. I backpeddled nowhere. You replied to him. You have him on ignore. If you are going to have him on ignore then fucking ignore him.

Just because you make a claim does not make it so.

Time for you to declare victory and retreat as usual

No I will leave the victory dance to you, General Custer. We both know you fucked this one up.
I have him on ignore so I can be picky about when I choose to punk him. I don't have to read his endless drivel.

Now just move on, there is nothing here to see.

[softball]

BTW, just because I am a good sport, you can have the last word on this, because I know how important that is to you Sar. Ready, set.....3....2.....1.....wibble........

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I do and what exactly is your point?

The point is I'm making money off your stupid ass, even if it is just 20 bucks.
It's a start to me pimping your scrawny ass all over Oprano.

Hey rhetorical..? ...can you say... "Yes My Pimp Daddy Rcourt"

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

The point is I'm making money off your stupid ass, even if it is just 20 bucks.
It's a start to me pimping your scrawny ass all over Oprano.

Hey rhetorical..? ...can you say... "Yes My Pimp Daddy Rcourt"

any breath on you is just wasted oxygen, and since you already abuse too much of the decent peoples oxygen supply just by breathing yourself. I for one would rather see him not waste any more of his on YOU!


I am concerned about the planet after all. and we all need to do what we can to cut the waste of the worlds resources

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by psl

Innovation isn't dead just on a slow down. Things will get interesting if and when Google launch their mobile phone, couple this with the iPhone, more people can access porn via thier mobilesin a user friendly way.Fast moving webmasters will embrace this opportunity and use the mobile platform as another means of driving traffic to sites and/or providing limited content sites specifically for mobiles and using these mobile sites to upsell to the main website.

Ahh, here we go! First reply was someone looking at mobile as the next big thing.

Would that open up a ton of new innovation? You bet, as it's a new world again.

But, mobile has been attempted. GonZo was correct to put it in his hype that went nowhere list. Companies with solid bankrolls, technology and content have tried it. It was met with a fizzle at best. To figure out if it EVER will take off, you have to ask yourself WHY?

Is it speed? If so, that will be fixed with time. But even on 3G and other high speed transports, the take rate has been just as low.

Is it the size and quality of the phone displays? Possible, but quality these days isn't bad already. And if size of display matters, doesn't that means guys are more likely to view it at home on large LCDs and projection?

Maybe guys just dont wanna spank their monkey with one hand in a semi-public place and a phone in the other. I'm betting this one is the real answer. I cant say I've ever been standing around a bar or restaurant and thought, "wow, i'd really like to go rub one out while looking at my phone".

[Hell Puppy]

To continue a thought...

The type of analysis I was just kind of walking thru on mobile is something that is a key skill set if you really want to innovate and be successful. I think the most creative people in this business are those who still can put themselves in the position of a surfer and see our world thru their eyes.

You'll hear me refer to "psychology" a lot especially if someone asks me to review their tour. That's what I'm talking about, you have to get inside that surfers head and know how they think. And when i see a cookie cutter tour, I just roll my eyes and dont bother to send a single click.

Best recent innovation I can think of? Geo-targetted ads.

Why? Psychology.

Whether it's a dating site, cam site or whatever, it tickles what I jokingly call the "availability gene" in the male. If the girl is close, there's a better chance you might actually meet her. "Hot blonde" isn't near as appealing as "Hot blonde down the street". Amateur sites have known this for ages, it's the "real girl" appeal versus "glam model".....the glam model is just a model, thus more inaccessible. Amateur girls like Carol Cox who have parties and invite surfers, do huge bank.

On the other end, wanna take a solo girl site and see your sales cut in half? Let her put in her blog that she just got married.

And the worst thing you can do is totally lose site of your ability to surf your own sites with the eyes of your would be customers. Some of the large companies in this industry have done this. I shake my head when I see them coming up with nifty new twists on their sites but their programmers have done a minimal job and gone home leaving bugs in place that drive surfers crazy. It's flushing money down the toilet.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Mainstream is eating adult industry up in the creativity and idea department. and if we don't start looking "outside the box" well... I won't need to repeat myself again.
Gaining the trust of the user in adult department is easier said than done HP. I'm absolutely aware that you HP have tons of experience in gathering and retaining customers. So I'm not attempting to challenge what you say sir. But I'm just expressing my thoughts of how I see my world and it's involvement in the adult porn world.

I recall about a month or so ago, GonZo posted a "10 reason list Internet porn is dying". or "something along this topic" I'm not hunting this thread down right now, cuz I'm busy. But I believe adult porn innovation is not on the top of the major Internet Adult Industries list.
We lack creativity, and we all should step outside the Internet and maybe take a peek inside.

You're exactly correct here.

This is why I've always griped about people who would "strip mine" the industry. Others would say "let them be, pay attention to your own business, they dont impact you". Uhm, actually, they DO impact me as my best sites DO rely on surfer trust.

How do you fix it? Well, you dont really. You just try to work around it. I keep my traffic nets very closed for this reason. If all of my inbound and outbound links are going to/from my sites or those I trust, then I dont have to worry about my surfers getting jerked around....or at least not jerked around for anything they'd accredit to any of my entry points.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

any breath on you is just wasted oxygen, and since you already abuse too much of the decent peoples oxygen supply just by breathing yourself. I for one would rather see him not waste any more of his on YOU!


I am concerned about the planet after all. and we all need to do what we can to cut the waste of the worlds resources

WHOA Finally something we agree on

I do use allot of oxygen, maybe to much now that you mention it.
Because I can see your shallow brain is not receiving enough.
from the small petty ass ideas your coming up with lately.

Less oxygen left= smaller brain use= small ideas.

Maybe you've actually answered HP's question for us all...
No more innovation left on the Internet is due to the lack of oxygen.
I'm glad you figured it out for us Mr. JoeSmo, your setting a perfect example of the lack of Internet innovation.
Your allot better person than I thought you was.
Coming out like this in public with your example bro
Your just tooooo cool man,
Thank for answering this threads question

[EmporerEJ]

I wrote about this in 2001,
http://www.vrinnovations.com/Newslin...nline72001.htm

and I planned to speak about it at the conference.
But we went decidedly off topic.


We're doing our bit.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

To continue a thought...

The type of analysis I was just kind of walking thru on mobile is something that is a key skill set if you really want to innovate and be successful. I think the most creative people in this business are those who still can put themselves in the position of a surfer and see our world thru their eyes.

You'll hear me refer to "psychology" a lot especially if someone asks me to review their tour. That's what I'm talking about, you have to get inside that surfers head and know how they think. And when i see a cookie cutter tour, I just roll my eyes and dont bother to send a single click.

Best recent innovation I can think of? Geo-targetted ads.

Why? Psychology.

Whether it's a dating site, cam site or whatever, it tickles what I jokingly call the "availability gene" in the male. If the girl is close, there's a better chance you might actually meet her. "Hot blonde" isn't near as appealing as "Hot blonde down the street". Amateur sites have known this for ages, it's the "real girl" appeal versus "glam model".....the glam model is just a model, thus more inaccessible. Amateur girls like Carol Cox who have parties and invite surfers, do huge bank.

On the other end, wanna take a solo girl site and see your sales cut in half? Let her put in her blog that she just got married.

And the worst thing you can do is totally lose site of your ability to surf your own sites with the eyes of your would be customers. Some of the large companies in this industry have done this. I shake my head when I see them coming up with nifty new twists on their sites but their programmers have done a minimal job and gone home leaving bugs in place that drive surfers crazy. It's flushing money down the toilet.

Ya I forgot bout the GEO thing. Thats gotta be the biggest idea in a long time It's absolutely a zoom right in your face thing people notice on web pages right off the bat, A really great creation.
But I still feel everyone is zoned into the web still to much, And to a point in certain areas we're heading in the wrong direction in a sense. Like GonZo mentioned earlier about .mobi's, actually it's a great innovation, but not for porn. I mean who the fuck is gonna watch dirty clips or movies while on the bus to work or wherever. that mobile crap is for a younger generation who are more into ringtones and cool screensavers and other gadgets. but it's not the place for adult content.
New ideas are out there. but all the pieces haven't been put together yet for Adult content world yet. The pornotube? there's no real shit to be made there. it's fallen into the "To much Free stuff again" category. That's exactly one of the biggest problems in Adult Industry is that innovation is so bad that they can't come up with any creative ideas, So they figure the next best thing to do is just give porn all away since no one can thing of anything better to do to promote it thats sad man.

[Hammer]

The page peel ad I'm using on Hammer Uncut is a small innovation and I have my flash designer working on some very cool variations that will give life to banners again.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

The page peel ad I'm using on Hammer Uncut is a small innovation and I have my flash designer working on some very cool variations that will give life to banners again.

I hope I get to see them.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I hope I get to see them.

Your just thinking of the most stupidest replies attempting to avoid it, ain't ya? Hahaha.

Oh Boy, Hope I get to see them also