Legal Hassles for one of our own

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

You don't have kids though, do you, Jace? Or do you just wish you had an office because of zoning issues?

I wish I had an office for a lot of reasons, mainly 2257 and my wife constantly thinking cause I am home I am not working

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hed just make pillow farm in it and pile up all day.

damn straight

speaking of which, it is the weekend isn't it? LIVING ROOM PILLOW LAND!

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

call me old fashioned, but I share your view for the most part

hell, I am worried about my niece and nephews finding out my "fucking" past, much less if I had kids

[Jace]

isn't there a pretty notorius couple in porn that took pictures of their child on a talk show and said their daughters real name in the broadcast with the HUGE PICTURE of their daughter on the screen behind them....all the while the show was about parents in porn, and they were on their as "porn stars"

yeah, those are great parents

oh...wait...they run a big site about parents in the adult industry....wonder what site that could be

fuck idiot scammers

i even think gonzo still has that banner up above....yup, there is it

[Hammer]

I'm sure Paris Hilton doesn't care right now, but then she's not too bright anyway and still young so I don't think she's the best role model to use. I'm pretty sure that some day, if she does step into the Hilton Hotel business with her father, she'll wish she'd kept her sex life private. Even it she goes through life leaching off of her parents money, at some point she may get married and have kids and then she might not be so proud of her exploits either.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

isn't there a pretty notorius couple in porn that took pictures of their child on a talk show and said their daughters real name in the broadcast with the HUGE PICTURE of their daughter on the screen behind them....all the while the show was about parents in porn, and they were on their as "porn stars"

yeah, those are great parents

oh...wait...they run a big site about parents in the adult industry....wonder what site that could be

fuck idiot scammers

i even think gonzo still has that banner up above....yup, there is it

Yep, I think that's fucked up. It's no wonder they don't get a lot of support. If their daughter grows up to be a porn star, I'm sure they'll be very proud but if she doesn't, I wonder how proud she'll be of them.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Yep, I think that's fucked up. It's no wonder they don't get a lot of support. If their daughter grows up to be a porn star, I'm sure they'll be very proud but if she doesn't, I wonder how proud she'll be of them.

hahaha

found it

http://larryelder.warnerbros.com/vid...new.html?=1111

[spazlabz]

Well spaz has been schooled in this thread I think I will go sit in the corner and suck my thumb heh heh


spaz

[jerseygto]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Well spaz has been schooled in this thread I think I will go sit in the corner and suck my thumb heh heh


spaz

Move over make room for me too....

While your at it pass me the beer too I have a feeling we aint not done learning yet

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by jerseygto

Move over make room for me too....

While your at it pass me the beer too I have a feeling we aint not done learning yet

The minute we think we are done learning we are DOOMED

oh, here ya go



spaz

[UncutBucksMike]

The possible violation that they used to get the search warrant was for a zoning violation (which we have still not been charged with to my knowledge). I have since gone back and read the zoning code and it was clearly written to address "retail" adult businesses like adult bookstores, movie theaters and strip clubs. There using it on us was a stretch at best. I have since found out that similar language is popping up in zoning ordinances in many cities across the country. So, even had I not produced or appeared in any of the content, but (under the interpretation they used in our case) merely ran an enterprise that produced most of its revenue from "adult" activities from my home, I would be in violation. They specifically ban from zoning anywhere in the county adult business from being in any of the zoning they have control over. It requires that you be in an area zoned for this type activity and they have no such areas zoned and won't permit them. So even if I was submitting TGP's from my home office and made money from it, "knock knock...Police".

Originally Posted by Hammer

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

Wow, interesting opinion. By that logic, appearing in "porn" means you should never have children. Is it just hardcore, or is softcore OK? Other kids might taunt you if they saw your mommies tits too. Hell they could give you a hard time if she wears skimpy bikinis and is on a website. If the other kids in the neighborhood found out that you have anything to do with the porn industry, content or not, your kids might be subjected to some issues. As Jace pointed out he is somewhat concerned about nieces and nephews. This kind of logic puts you on a slippery slope of doing thing to protect someone else's children from possible "harm" that they may eventually suffer.

Toby is right, some of us don't make a ton of money doing this, but we make enough to allow us to stay home and be there for our kids. As a matter of fact I used to be on the road 20 days a month and Jen ran a business all day, and we never were really there the way we should be for our kids. The studio idea could work in some scenarios. It would not have in Ky, because that studio would also have been excluded by the zoning ordinances. In other areas I have found that it needs to be in an area zoned industrial and needs special licenses, in others it must be so many feet from any residential zoned area and so many feet from any school, playground, place of worship, etc.

Zoning has a much more chilling affect on amateur content, than I initially realized. If you couple that with 2257 requirements that basically require you to publish your "primary place of business address", it doesn't take a genius to start some quite interesting witch hunts.

Thanks,
Mike

[Toby]

Hi Mike,

I was just thinking of you this morning, wondering how you and Jen were doing.

I have a simple solution for the zoning issue. Move to Houston. There are absolutely no zoning laws here.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

Tell me something man? if ya was a payed hit man, and you went out everyday and took care of a few contracts, like it was nothing. Then went home to your wife and kids and a bucket of maybe some KFC chicken.
it's all good? right? as long has ya didn't kill anyone in the house near the kids, right?

This is a American creation of thought, we grew up in generations that are taught pornography is wrong and is bad.
Even Pete the Porno Puppet tells are youths
"Say noo to pornaaaaaaaaaaaaagraphy"

As if pornaaaagraphy was like saying nooo to drugs "fuckin' retards"

Sex is not a sin theres nothing illegal about it, it just needs to be controlled like everything else in this country, Because Americans can't seem to learn to control things of mental or physical pleasure for them selfs, they need big brother to tell them "how much is enough!" and when to say say "no!"

Americans don't think for them selfs anymore, they have a government that does it for them now, Oh ya that reminds me...

...Happy 4th My fellow Gringos

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

...Happy 4th My fellow Gringos

feliz cuarto señor

[tony404]

I dont think if you have kids you should be operating a porn business in the house.If your not making enough money to afford an office,then find another line of work.Offices are also dirt cheap and offer so much protection.I pay $285 a month for mine and that includes high speed,its not fancy but it does the job.

They are going to start 2257 checks outside of CA in august it looks like.They show up and say the local police decide to join them for the ride which they can do according to the regs.They see kids there,the kids are going.
Now Im not talking about affiliates, im talking about producing porn.
The zoning thing in this case is bullshit, adult zoning doesnt come into play unless you have customers coming in to your place of business like a video store.

The sad thing is if they were in Lexington this probably wouldn't of happened.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by tony404

They are going to start 2257 checks outside of CA in august it looks like.

Yes, I read that too. And I also read where they'll be sticking to inspecting video production companies in order to avoid checking info for the same model more than once.

Personally, I think any inspections of "the little guys" are a long way off yet, if ever.

My point being that the local Gestapo are still the ones to avoid. The odds of the Fed's showing up is extremely slim.

I think the lessons to be learned here, if not able to have an outside the home office/studio, is to be extremely discreet about giving out any personal information. Never use your home address for anything site related. Get a postal box for all snail mail correspondence. Also, a convincing cover story for the neighbors about what you do for a living is a must, as well as a plan for how to deal with any that do find your site on their own.

Just my 12½¢ worth.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Toby

Yes, I read that too. And I also read where they'll be sticking to inspecting video production companies in order to avoid checking info for the same model more than once.

Personally, I think any inspections of "the little guys" are a long way off yet, if ever.

My point being that the local Gestapo are still the ones to avoid. The odds of the Fed's showing up is extremely slim.

I think the lessons to be learned here, if not able to have an outside the home office/studio, is to be extremely discreet about giving out any personal information. Never use your home address for anything site related. Get a postal box for all snail mail correspondence. Also, a convincing cover story for the neighbors about what you do for a living is a must, as well as a plan for how to deal with any that do find your site on their own.

Just my 12½¢ worth.

what do you think about domain name privacy protection? do u think its worth the extra money?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

what do you think about domain name privacy protection? do u think its worth the extra money?

Yes, well worth the money for independent amateurs.

[tony404]

your right but still have to have a valid address for 2257 or your in violation.One way to cut down on the bullshit is to make that info a gif instead of text.Dont have to worry about google picking it up.To assume they will never knock on your door isnt a smart move. Your right there is 99.8 chance you will never hear from anyone but if your not prepared that.2 can be a real motherfucker.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by tony404

your right but still have to have a valid address for 2257 or your in violation.One way to cut down on the bullshit is to make that info a gif instead of text.Dont have to worry about google picking it up.To assume they will never knock on your door isnt a smart move. Your right there is 99.8 chance you will never hear from anyone but if your not prepared that.2 can be a real motherfucker.

I didn't say to ignore 2257, by all means keep all the ID's etc. as required. My point was that the Fed's showing up for a 2257 inspection and bringing along the local Gestapo isn't really worth worrying about.

I know the law says that your 2257 info must include the physical address for your custodian of records. However, all risks considered, I'd rather be in violation of that one detail of the law than to publicly divulge my home address, if I were running such a site from my home. If you search the web for 2257 statement for such sites, you'll find very few that work from home display an actual home address.

A gif image with the pertinent text will indeed keep it from getting picked up by the SE's, but it's people (wacko's, neighbors, etc) that I'd be more concerned about and they can still read gif images.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Toby

I didn't say to ignore 2257, by all means keep all the ID's etc. as required. My point was that the Fed's showing up for a 2257 inspection and bringing along the local Gestapo isn't really worth worrying about.

I know the law says that your 2257 info must include the physical address for your custodian of records. However, all risks considered, I'd rather be in violation of that one detail of the law than to publicly divulge my home address, if I were running such a site from my home. If you search the web for 2257 statement for such sites, you'll find very few that work from home display an actual home address.

A gif image with the pertinent text will indeed keep it from getting picked up by the SE's, but it's people (wacko's, neighbors, etc) that I'd be more concerned about and they can still read gif images.

Now we have a office but for the first 5 yrs of our business our 2257 was our home addy never had a problem.Also we never broadcast what we do to the world. We also have mainstream sites we can send people too when they ask what we do like www.creamycandy.com go buy some

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by tony404

Now we have a office but for the first 5 yrs of our business our 2257 was our home addy never had a problem.Also we never broadcast what we do to the world. We also have mainstream sites we can send people too when they ask what we do like www.creamycandy.com go buy some

Hey now , Ain't chocolate mint lentils and Jordan white almonds aphrodisiacs???
Shame on you..


2 big wigs in the adult webmaster industry told me to always keep my domain information public, because it looks suspicious or looks like I have something to hide going private. I think about this now, and totally disagree, But again laws where different when they said this.
Why does going overseas look better and better every time I look???

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Hey now , Ain't chocolate mint lentils and Jordan white almonds aphrodisiacs???
Shame on you..


2 big wigs in the adult webmaster industry told me to always keep my domain information public, because it looks suspicious or looks like I have something to hide going private. I think about this now, and totally disagree, But again laws where different when they said this.
Why does going overseas look better and better every time I look???

Better be prepared to move overseas perm if you want to enjoy that benefit.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Better be prepared to move overseas perm if you want to enjoy that benefit.

I dropped a shitload of sponsors, I'm back down to 1 to 3 I'll promote
due to this 2257. and these sponsors are the same ones that others told me that they were "shit old school garbage" and other stupid comments.
Well its these same sponsors that are converting money and have all the doc. in order.
Sometimes the grass is not greener on the other side man. I agree Gonzo
And not wanting or being able to come back here? I tried that once before And see.... here I am again. So no, I guess not

[UncutBucksMike]

Originally Posted by tony404

The zoning thing in this case is bullshit, adult zoning doesnt come into play unless you have customers coming in to your place of business like a video store.

Maybe in your mind it doesn't come into play, but obviously in the mind of the Ft. Mitchell police and a Kenton county judge it does. That is exactly what the warrant was issued based on! And based on the fact that they can interpret it to apply to a website, they could easily extend that to an affiliate posting the same content on his/her website. The zoning is not about producing it is about "distributing" and making money directly or indirectly (under their interpretation).

Mike

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by tony404

They are going to start 2257 checks outside of CA in august it looks like.The zoning thing in this case is bullshit, adult zoning doesnt come into play unless you have customers coming in to your place of business like a video store.

They ARE doing checks outside CA
They did one here in PA earlier this year. I talked to the guy, and there was a story in AVNOnline, a very fine publication.