Iraq War will now get Bush re-elected

[JR]

I realized today something real happened when Saddam was captured.

Bush will be re-elected.

Not because of the significance of the event itself... but because of what is about to happen as a result.

Saddam will most likely be tried in Iraq for a few reasons.

1) How will the world effectively politicize a trial where the man is being judged by the same people he murdered and brutalized for decades. I doubt that can be done effectively. Thats going to be a losing argument everytime. I am sure arguments will be made, i just dont think that they will stronger than the notion of "justice" being served in Iraq, by the Iraqi people.

2) This is THE ideal situation for a US Admistration to send a message to others in the region who also reign with brutal dictatorships. The message is clear... "your people dont appreciate it, they can and eventually will fight back... and NO ONE is above the law" etc etc. There will be a strong focus on human rights abuses in Saddams Iraq that coincidentally, also exist in neighboring countries. I am sure leaders in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other countries are going to be shitting in their pants as they see Saddam being humiliated in court like a common thief. It already began with the images release by the military which "coincidentally" showed a guy looking like a crazy, homeless drunk, being prodded and poked and probed in a very impersonal and invasive way... which would also coincidentally be the message you would want to send to would be and existing dictators.

3) - its the perfect way to draw media attention from any failures in Iraq and cause the news to be dominated with the worlds most watched and famous trial in Iraq. haha. perfect.

Ok.. so a trial happens in Iraq. Why does that matter? It matters because NOW we are going to forget 100% about the "search" for WMD's and be bombarded day and night with "evidence" against Saddam. It's a green light for a limitless propaganda campaign where we will see nothing but images of executions, mass graves, mass murders, genocide, use of chemical / biological weapons, invasions etc etc etc. It will be bigger than the OJ trial and the news of the day will always be the "evidence" that was presented that day and its significance. The further we get into this process, the more peoples painfully short attention spans will be drawn away from the other issues and it will be almost impossible to speak out against the war without looking like an ass (given the volume of brutal images and facts that are going to be presented on CNN 24/7).

I am starting to believe that Bush just got a free pass on the Iraq issue by Saddam being arrested. I dont think some democrats are playing it down because the event itself is overly important. I think they are worried about the coming tidal wave of sympathy and support that is coming for the Iraqi people.

It will be interesting to watch what happens with this issue and how its used. My opinion is that this is going to turn out being a major turning point in Bush's ratings as well as peoples opinion on the war. I am not saying that Bush is a great president or should be re-elected, but i am convinced he will play this for all its worth and it will benefit him much more than we realize today... the images of the beat up and defeated dictator are just the beginning... now we are about to relive every bad thing he ever did on the news everyday for months and months.

Brace yourselves. "WMD's" is going to be the word of the day again. Only this time, it will be all the evidence presented in court in Saddams trials rather than pleas to voters or to the UN. They will be able to present more evidence, more details and more information and testimony without losing their audience. Before, they were trying to sell something [war] on a limited time frame. Very limited. In court, they can go on for years with as much testimony, evidence and facts as they want and i suspect that will happen.

my predictions:

1) Bush will get re-elected. I believe that milking this issue will ensure it.

2) Democrats will be in a real panic once this becomes clear because they have to attack every aspect of capturing Saddam, bringing him to trial and the evidence presented to draw attention from it and it will be a difficult task to achieve without looking really bad. I expect some great political comedy in the near future.

In fact, this has already began (was it Dean?) Doesn't matter who is right or wrong. It was foolish to voice an unpopular position or opinion about such a sensitive issue at a point where opinions were shifting farther and father away from his. It will get worse, because i dont see any other options other than continued attack.

I suspect that as we near elections, its going to get comical.

[KRL]

It's most interesting to note that Task Force 121, the Delta Force, CIA Speciol Ops, and SEAL's tasked to focus on and get Saddam, had previously been given the firm orders to take him out if you can and that was given a 180 to capture him alive only.

Hmmm, makes you wonder.

[Winetalk.com]

well...everything is pointing in this direction and with no third term looming,
I can only wonder where it go from here...

[Carrie]

The dems are already trying to float the myth that Saddam was actually captured a while ago, but it was "just now" made public as a timed boost for Bush's "lagging" (?????) ratings.

The only wrinkle in your theory, JR, is if the people are scared stiff at being faced with Saddam in the same courtroom and they nearly piss themselves and let him off scott-free because they're afraid of the consequences of convicting him. (Henchmen coming to kill their families, etc.)

Saddam is also holding to his statement that there are no WMDs, and I believe that nothing short of torture would get him to change his story. His political career (what might be left of it) and most likely his life depends on him clinging to this "no WMD" line.

[slavdogg]

this whole things remind me of what happened to Mussolini where justice was served by his own people and Hitler's reaction.

Lets just hope Arafat shoots himself sooner than later.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 16 2003, 02:06 AM
The only wrinkle in your theory, JR, is if the people are scared stiff at being faced with Saddam in the same courtroom and they nearly piss themselves and let him off scott-free because they're afraid of the consequences of convicting him. (Henchmen coming to kill their families, etc.)

unlikely and if it does happen
Iranians will demand for him to be extrodited and tried in Iran than stoned to death.

""Iran reported preparing comprehensive complaint against Saddam before international court for war crimes against Islamic Republic, including deployment of unconventional weapons in seven-year Iraq-Iran war. ""

[slavdogg]

Israel tried to kill Saddam in 92

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pag...d=1071541096433

[Kevin2]

I think your correct that Bush will be re-elected and that will mean even more trouble for porn.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Kevin2@Dec 16 2003, 03:45 AM
I think your correct that Bush will be re-elected and that will mean even more trouble for porn.

I wish I had your problems....

[sarettah]

I f Bush can hold Saddam's conviction and execution off until summer 2004 then he will be reelected....

If Saddam is convicted and executed wham bam thank ya maam style in real early '04 there will still be time for Bush to lose the election... Especially if the economy goes bad/worse between now and election time...

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by sarettah@Dec 16 2003, 08:02 AM
I f Bush can hold Saddam's conviction and execution off until summer 2004 then he will be reelected....

If Saddam is convicted and executed wham bam thank ya maam style in real early '04 there will still be time for Bush to lose the election... Especially if the economy goes bad/worse between now and election time...

the earliest he could be executed in Iraq is July 1st

[ulfie]

Originally posted by sarettah@Dec 16 2003, 08:02 AM
If Saddam is convicted and executed wham bam thank ya maam style in real early '04 there will still be time for Bush to lose the election... Especially if the economy goes bad/worse between now and election time...

This is the pathetic spot the Dems have put themselves in. They have to hope for things that are bad for the US in order to get elected. Pathetic, simply pathetic.

Saddam will be around for quite some time. I doubt he will even be tried before the election. There isn't even a court system in place to try him at the moment.

[JFK]

Originally posted by JR@Dec 15 2003, 09:43 PM
I realized today something real happened when Saddam was captured.

Bush will be re-elected.

Not because of the significance of the event itself... but because of what is about to happen as a result.

Saddam will most likely be tried in Iraq for a few reasons.

1) How will the world effectively politicize a trial where the man is being judged by the same people he murdered and brutalized for decades. I doubt that can be done effectively. Thats going to be a losing argument everytime. I am sure arguments will be made, i just dont think that they will stronger than the notion of "justice" being served in Iraq, by the Iraqi people.

2) This is THE ideal situation for a US Admistration to send a message to others in the region who also reign with brutal dictatorships. The message is clear... "your people dont appreciate it, they can and eventually will fight back... and NO ONE is above the law" etc etc. There will be a strong focus on human rights abuses in Saddams Iraq that coincidentally, also exist in neighboring countries. I am sure leaders in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other countries are going to be shitting in their pants as they see Saddam being humiliated in court like a common thief. It already began with the images release by the military which "coincidentally" showed a guy looking like a crazy, homeless drunk, being prodded and poked and probed in a very impersonal and invasive way... which would also coincidentally be the message you would want to send to would be and existing dictators.

3) - its the perfect way to draw media attention from any failures in Iraq and cause the news to be dominated with the worlds most watched and famous trial in Iraq. haha. perfect.

Ok.. so a trial happens in Iraq. Why does that matter? It matters because NOW we are going to forget 100% about the "search" for WMD's and be bombarded day and night with "evidence" against Saddam. It's a green light for a limitless propaganda campaign where we will see nothing but images of executions, mass graves, mass murders, genocide, use of chemical / biological weapons, invasions etc etc etc. It will be bigger than the OJ trial and the news of the day will always be the "evidence" that was presented that day and its significance. The further we get into this process, the more peoples painfully short attention spans will be drawn away from the other issues and it will be almost impossible to speak out against the war without looking like an ass (given the volume of brutal images and facts that are going to be presented on CNN 24/7).

I am starting to believe that Bush just got a free pass on the Iraq issue by Saddam being arrested. I dont think some democrats are playing it down because the event itself is overly important. I think they are worried about the coming tidal wave of sympathy and support that is coming for the Iraqi people.

It will be interesting to watch what happens with this issue and how its used. My opinion is that this is going to turn out being a major turning point in Bush's ratings as well as peoples opinion on the war. I am not saying that Bush is a great president or should be re-elected, but i am convinced he will play this for all its worth and it will benefit him much more than we realize today... the images of the beat up and defeated dictator are just the beginning... now we are about to relive every bad thing he ever did on the news everyday for months and months.

Brace yourselves. "WMD's" is going to be the word of the day again. Only this time, it will be all the evidence presented in court in Saddams trials rather than pleas to voters or to the UN. They will be able to present more evidence, more details and more information and testimony without losing their audience. Before, they were trying to sell something [war] on a limited time frame. Very limited. In court, they can go on for years with as much testimony, evidence and facts as they want and i suspect that will happen.

my predictions:

1) Bush will get re-elected. I believe that milking this issue will ensure it.

2) Democrats will be in a real panic once this becomes clear because they have to attack every aspect of capturing Saddam, bringing him to trial and the evidence presented to draw attention from it and it will be a difficult task to achieve without looking really bad. I expect some great political comedy in the near future.

In fact, this has already began (was it Dean?) Doesn't matter who is right or wrong. It was foolish to voice an unpopular position or opinion about such a sensitive issue at a point where opinions were shifting farther and father away from his. It will get worse, because i dont see any other options other than continued attack.

I suspect that as we near elections, its going to get comical.

Unfortunately, your statement makes too much sense.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Kevin2@Dec 16 2003, 03:45 AM
I think your correct that Bush will be re-elected and that will mean even more trouble for porn.

What has been Bush's actions on porn in the past 3 years?

Come up with a new arguement Polyanna!

I like your analysis JR< however, I will never trust a Bush when it comes to re-election. There is still a long year ahead, many things can happen.

So far all of the democrats weapons are dissappearing, but there could be something out there that could hurt Bush.....

But I have to say, it is refreshing to have a real leader in the White House - I might not agree with him 100%, or even a majority of the time, but he says what he means, and means what he says.

[cherrylula]

bush is gonna lose.

[Torone]

You poor, screwed-up Bush-haters...