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All the liberals must be upset with the capture of Saddam.... One potential VP running mate!!!
All of you liberals, the ones who hate Bush with a passion - admit it - be honest - your ass puckered yesterday when it was annoucned we captures Saddam.
The democrates are betting and hoping we get hammered in IRaq, that economy goes south, etc.. etc...
Imagine having to pullagainst your own country for the sake of political power....
While most democrate voters I beleive are honest, hardworking Americans who want best for the country - the liberal wing of the party, along with most of the leaders ( Dean, and all Presidential contenders but for Lieberman) are hoping for the worst. Very sad!!
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If my ass puckered over anything yesterday, it was in anticipation of listening to tripe like this.
The capture of Saddam is a good thing ... I don't know of any American who would think differently. IMHO - and I freely admit I could be wrong - it will do little or nothing to change the long-term tactical picture. Beyond the challenges of the unrepentant Batthists come even greater challenges of Islamic fundamentalism and ethnic clashes.
As far as "Democrats wanting us to get hammered in Iraq" - if you are insinuating that Democrats are hoping Americans die in Iraq so that a Democrat can get elected President, you need to bend over, take your copy of Ann Coulter's latest book, and cram it up your ass sideways.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 15 2003, 11:34 AM If my ass puckered over anything yesterday, it was in anticipation of listening to tripe like this.
The capture of Saddam is a good thing ... I don't know of any American who would think differently. IMHO - and I freely admit I could be wrong - it will do little or nothing to change the long-term tactical picture. Beyond the challenges of the unrepentant Batthists come even greater challenges of Islamic fundamentalism and ethnic clashes.
As far as "Democrats wanting us to get hammered in Iraq" - if you are insinuating that Democrats are hoping Americans die in Iraq so that a Democrat can get elected President, you need to bend over, take your copy of Ann Coulter's latest book, and cram it up your ass sideways.
PD you may not feel that way, but there is a hardcore group who does....
Did I strike to close to home??
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My ass puckered only because for some reason the repubs think that capturing sadaam was worth close to 500 billions of dollars. As buff said, he would have done it for less than 10 mil.
It amazes me how people can spin things. It's like a burglar coming to you and telling you that he's gonna get some loot tonight... then the next day telling you that he got some and expecting you to pat him on the back.
Sure, he accomplished his goal....I guess that makes him goal oriented? Accomplishing a goal doesnt make the goal any more noble or less repugnant.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Dec 15 2003, 11:44 AM My ass puckered only because for some reason the repubs think that capturing sadaam was worth close to 500 billions of dollars. As buff said, he would have done it for less than 10 mil.
It amazes me how people can spin things. It's like a burglar coming to you and telling you that he's gonna get some loot tonight... then the next day telling you that he got some and expecting you to pat him on the back.
Sure, he accomplished his goal....I guess that makes him goal oriented? Accomplishing a goal doesnt make the goal any more noble or less repugnant.
Defendind the United States and its Citizens is the most important goal of any politician.
The war on terror and jihadist must be won. The rest is up for debate, but destrpying our enemies should always be job 1.
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Originally posted by -Mike AI@Dec 15 2003, 11:37 AM
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Tell you what, Mike ... if it would make it easier for you, go ahead and believe that I'm one of "them", too. I am most definitely one of those liberals who hates Bush with a passion, so please include me in that group - I know how disorienting curves can be to you flat-earth folks.
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http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002683.html
"It is hard to believe this adminstration about Saddam when they are prone to lying about Thanksgiving TURKEYS...and what was that about BA pilots see Airforce One which was also a lie."
And, my favorite: http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002684.html
"I think it is shameful that the ACLU has not commented on the obvious mistreatment Hussein has suffered at the hands of the American military."
I lifted this from another thread on this board.....just food for thought...
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 15 2003, 12:29 PM Tell you what, Mike ... if it would make it easier for you, go ahead and believe that I'm one of "them", too. I am most definitely one of those liberals who hates Bush with a passion, so please include me in that group - I know how disorienting curves can be to you flat-earth folks.
PD do you deny that the liberal democrats were more concerned with getting rid of Bush then getting rid of Saddam ( Bin Laden, fill in the blank of any terrorist)??
PD you are so brainwashed that you cannot even give up any points.... I have yet to ever read a post from you that said, Gee I was wrong with this issue.
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Brainwashed, Mikey? Puuuuuuuuu-leze. You spout the RNC/GWB line like it's programmed into a microchip implanted in you, and you're going to call me brainwashed?
Oh, I'm not afraid to admit it when I'm wrong ... I was wrong when I believed two successive Administrations, one from each party, about the Iraqi WMD programs, for example.
You may remember that I even argued with Dig and Alex about the war before the shit hit the fan. Having been in uniform, and having family in uniform, I'm not in as much of a hurry to see dead heros returning home as you seem to be; thus, my support of the war was a little less than enthusiastic.
I think there are an equal number of people in either party who are willing to put the interests of their party or ideology ahead of the country. Legal investigations of four of the past seven presidential administrations have been conducted over things like that. One of them revolved around allegations of transgressions related to personal gain (or covering up same). The other three involved (IMHO, more) serious issues related to the rule of law; and to the best of my knowledge, those weren't Democrats.
If you really believe that opposition to the war equals support for Saddam, then we aren't even speaking the same language. IF - and in spite of the rants of the likes of Cheneyburton, it's a very big if - Saddam's capture leads to information about a real WMD program, I'll admit to being wrong - about mistakenly thinking I was fooled again.
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PD you forget, I am only a Bush fan on foreign policy.... other then a small tax cut, he has been like a democrat - spend - spend - spend.
Infact, his foreign policy should be sharper then it has been. I think the 4th ID should be searching Syria for Assad....
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I am a stark raving bleeding heart liberal of the worst (or best kind BUT This could be a great thing (i hope). I am such a liberal that all I want is our troops not to be hurt anymore. And if this does it then so be the outcome of the 2004 election.
My eternal question is for those of you who are conservative and LOVE Mr. Bush how can he make your life any easier with the likes of his appt general against porn? Do you feel confident knowing that without a supboena they can raid our houses and take our computers under the patriot act for any reason the DOJ believes is in the best interest of natioknal security? Do I need to point out that Tommy Chong is in jail for selling Glass pipes on the internet?
I just do not understand that? I am not saying that he will put us all in jail but if he had his way we certainly would be out of business? How does Bush help our business? Clinton helped our industry a lot, although I am so far left that even he was conservative to me.
And are you religuous pornographers? Since that is who this regime caters too? Just curious how being a neo con can be anything short of shooting yourself in the foot?
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Originally posted by Hunter@Dec 15 2003, 02:09 PM I am a stark raving bleeding heart liberal of the worst (or best kind BUT This could be a great thing (i hope). I am such a liberal that all I want is our troops not to be hurt anymore. And if this does it then so be the outcome of the 2004 election.
My eternal question is for those of you who are conservative and LOVE Mr. Bush how can he make your life any easier with the likes of his appt general against porn? Do you feel confident knowing that without a supboena they can raid our houses and take our computers under the patriot act for any reason the DOJ believes is in the best interest of natioknal security? Do I need to point out that Tommy Chong is in jail for selling Glass pipes on the internet?
I just do not understand that? I am not saying that he will put us all in jail but if he had his way we certainly would be out of business? How does Bush help our business? Clinton helped our industry a lot, although I am so far left that even he was conservative to me.
And are you religuous pornographers? Since that is who this regime caters too? Just curious how being a neo con can be anything short of shooting yourself in the foot?
The biggest myth in this industry is that democrats are good for the porn industry.
Wake up, no politicans campaign " Hi I am Joe Smoe, and I am Pro-Porn"
Wake up!!!!
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I am awake and staring at the DOJ's potential plan to eventually put Hugh Heffner behind bars.
And you didnt answer my question how is it the republicans are gonns be better?
Clinton and Janet Reno went after CP not after legal webmasters. While this administration deems us all illegal. How can you even believe that this regime is better then what the democrats could offer?
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Dec 15 2003, 12:29 PM I am most definitely one of those liberals who hates Bush with a passion, so please include me in that group - I know how disorienting curves can be to you flat-earth folks.
I have you beat on this PD, I am one of those "RIGHT WINGERS" that hates Bush with a passion.
Bottom line is you can not believe a single word that comes out of the puppets mouth, aside from that he is dumber than a stone.
A Bush re election would be the absolute worst thing that could happen to this formerly free country
That is what I like to see. I may be left from your right but both parties SUCK!! And something should be done about it. Who has 5 billion that we can split and run 2 condidates one Libertarian another from a left party OTHER THE GREEN PLEASE!!
2.5 billion should get some recognition and possibly a new president. Maybe run as independent Not me someone else.
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Mike has gone off the deep end with Torone. What's funny is that I love political forums and all the time while Clinton was president the hate coming from them was immense and now they try and act as if they somehow were better or different in their hate. Or making arguements like the DOW doesn't matter economically and now that it hit hit 10k again it's the godsend of all godsend's that the economy is doing great. It is REALLY amusing to watch.
Originally posted by Mike AI@Dec 15 2003, 02:12 PM The biggest myth in this industry is that democrats are good for the porn industry.
Wake up, no politicans campaign " Hi I am Joe Smoe, and I am Pro-Porn"
Wake up!!!!
politics has always been about the lesser of two evils.
i'll vote for somebody who likes to ignore the adult industry or even says they think it's bad and something needs to be done about it over somebody who caters to the christian right, apoints a AG who covers lady justice's breasts and declares "anti pornography day" any day of this week!
There is a BIG difference between saying you think porn is bad and sending people to prison.
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Mike, I think the political issue of porn is like the political issue of abortion: Everyone plays like there is two side (for or against) when in fact there are three side: For, against, and "up to the individual".
Porn is the same situation: For, against, or live and let live.
I don't think anyone would suggest that a democrat presidential candidate would come out and say "porn is great, I love porn, especially those group sex bukkake videos and that amateur index site I love so much". But I do think they are more likely to land in the "live and let live" category. Bush and Assclown have made it clear that even legal porn (and legal free speech) won't get in the way of attempted procesutions. I don't feel that a democratic president would put the same emphasis on what is effectively a moral issue.
Are the democrats porn friendly? Nope. No open arms... but I don't think they have their (legally licensed) hand guns out to shoot us all either.
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I agree with this a lot BUT I am not afraid of being prosecuted as much as I am of my business being effected adversely from the regimes position.
Companies like visa and mc do what they do to us because they can under the current regime. Not to mention Acacis crap as well. It doesnt mean they were asked to do it or any kind of conspiracy to that effect BUT it makes it easier to pick on us.
The DOJ is after fast easy prosecutions to keep the religious right giving them there vote and money. High profile companies would be next on the agenda provided the seemingly easier prosecutions went in favor of the DOJ.
But wouldnt it just be easier on us all to elect someone with correct priorities?
This isnt putting our needs before the countries needs this is about removing religion from our govt's agenda. We do not have an official religion for a reason. And I cannot think of a better way to protect our country then to remove from power those who wish to religiously moralize legislation.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Dec 15 2003, 03:48 PM Time for my December post, I guess.
Mike, I think the political issue of porn is like the political issue of abortion: Everyone plays like there is two side (for or against) when in fact there are three side: For, against, and "up to the individual".
Porn is the same situation: For, against, or live and let live.
I don't think anyone would suggest that a democrat presidential candidate would come out and say "porn is great, I love porn, especially those group sex bukkake videos and that amateur index site I love so much". But I do think they are more likely to land in the "live and let live" category. Bush and Assclown have made it clear that even legal porn (and legal free speech) won't get in the way of attempted procesutions. I don't feel that a democratic president would put the same emphasis on what is effectively a moral issue.
Are the democrats porn friendly? Nope. No open arms... but I don't think they have their (legally licensed) hand guns out to shoot us all either.
While most democrate voters I beleive are honest, hardworking Americans who want best for the country - the liberal wing of the party, along with most of the leaders ( Dean, and all Presidential contenders but for Lieberman) are hoping for the worst. Very sad!!
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I call it giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Plus.....
It isn't the "Liberal wing" anymore.
It is the socialist wing. The America haters!
They have compassion for spotted owls, for Chirac, for killers and rapists.
They let killers back on the street to kill again.
But if you have an "R" after your name, they hate you and want you dead.
The coming LANDSLIDE may give them a clue.....but I doubt it. They will just get meaner.
Every industrialized country in the world is a socialist country.
Socialism and communism are 2 different things. The second we started any program that federally funded aid to our own people we became socialist.
Republican, Democrat they are both socialist.
We are a socialist Republic.
This isnt me talking this is the really what we are.
And why would a difference of opinion from yours be American haters?
You are in an industry that demand you believe in the bill of rights and in there is free speech and you have the tenacity to call people who think things diff=erently then you "American haters"?
Round up all those leftist red commies and string up eh cowboy?
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Originally posted by Hunter@Dec 16 2003, 09:01 AM Did you think the US was not a socialist country?
Every industrialized country in the world is a socialist country.
Socialism and communism are 2 different things. The second we started any program that federally funded aid to our own people we became socialist.
Republican, Democrat they are both socialist.
We are a socialist Republic.
This isnt me talking this is the really what we are.
And why would a difference of opinion from yours be American haters?
You are in an industry that demand you believe in the bill of rights and in there is free speech and you have the tenacity to call people who think things diff=erently then you "American haters"?
Round up all those leftist red commies and string up eh cowboy?
Why is the left running with this ball all the time these days? The bill of rights and freedom of speech do apply and they are exercised every day. Nobody is going to jail or some re-education camps for speaking out against the administration.
The one thing that seems to be happening is that it's ok for someone to spew out anti-bush retoric....that's freedom of speech, but if someone else thinks that it is an unpatriotic thing to say and expresses THEIR opnion....then thats' ANTI freedom of speech? You can say whatever you want about what the goverment does or says, or what I do or say..... and I can do the exact same thing in regards to what you do or say. We ALL get the freedom of speech, including the people that support a different point of view from yours.
If I say something about harsh anti-business enviromental restrictions, and you call me a "stoog for big business and a mindless moron", then are YOU infringing on my freedom of speech? Of course not. It works the same way in any direction....whether you like it or not.
What I was pointing out was it was in no way unpatritoic to disagree strongly with the regime in place.
It seems a lot more detrimental to be called un-patriotic then for someone to defend themselves by saying it is the most patriotic thing to do. Questioning your govt AND expressing your view.
What you said makes no sense? I never said he/she had no right to their opinion but I also have a right to state why there wrong.
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kind BUT This could be a great thing (i hope). I am such a liberal that all I want is our troops not to be hurt anymore. And if this does it then so be the outcome of the 2004 election.
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