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One of the things I've always liked about the Internet as a business opportunity is that you do not have to have inventory, a store front or fuck with shipping things out.
However, we perpetually get surfers who want panties, custom vids and what not. Some of our girls do that stuff, I personally have always avoided getting involved with it like the plague and do not encourage them.
What's everyone else's take? Are we missing some good supplemental income by not pushing the panties and vids?
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Nov 13 2003, 06:41 PM One of the things I've always liked about the Internet as a business opportunity is that you do not have to have inventory, a store front or fuck with shipping things out.
However, we perpetually get surfers who want panties, custom vids and what not. Some of our girls do that stuff, I personally have always avoided getting involved with it like the plague and do not encourage them.
What's everyone else's take? Are we missing some good supplemental income by not pushing the panties and vids?
You are missing out on a bunch of money. Personally I think custom videos are a waste of time and won't do them for under 6 or 7 hundred dollars and even then only if they are dead simple. Regular videos make lots of money though.
We do Video's and DVD sales, duplication and distribution. But never touch custom video as they aren't worth the time for the money.
I even think that J's is lowballing at $600 - $700.
The sales now are nowhere as good as they were back in the "beginning". In those days, we were shipping quite a few hundred videos a week. But it's still a nice income supplement.
I have always avoided physical sales. We have looked into it, but the headaches did not outweight the potential income.
Of course now with the way the business has gone, I am looking to get into physical sales.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 14 2003, 09:33 AM I have always avoided physical sales. We have looked into it, but the headaches did not outweight the potential income.
Of course now with the way the business has gone, I am looking to get into physical sales.
I'm leaning same way, just wondering if there's a way to outsource it like I would do in mainstream.
In a perfect world, I send a distribution house the master and send them my orders either in realtime or as a nightly batch job and they hassle with the duplication and fulfillment for a cut.
BizOp there for someone if they wanted to fuck with it. I suspect alot of people would play if they could avoid having to handle the goods and fulfillment themsleves.
Not that I'm aware of, but I've never used their service like this so I'm not sure. My understanding is that you just send them a master CD and they'll create and ship duplicates on the fly.
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Are ya crazy? Custom videos are the easiest way to build your library of stock titles available for sale, and filler content for your sites- all on the customer's dime.
They're not getting the copyright, only footage that you probably would have shot anyway, only shot to suit their individual fantasy.
Originally posted by emmanuelle@Nov 16 2003, 08:39 PM Are ya crazy? Custom videos are the easiest way to build your library of stock titles available for sale, and filler content for your sites- all on the customer's dime.
They're not getting the copyright, only footage that you probably would have shot anyway, only shot to suit their individual fantasy.
This makes complete sense....
Kinda like doing a private show on cam, then rebroadcasting it for other members later in the week.
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When I first started in this business doing custom videos was my staple income, I've shot ALOT of them and had many repeat clients. I charged $150 / 30 min for a basic solo vid and added onto price the more complex it was or for hardcore. I never bothered even editing them or anything I just put the raw footage on a tape and shipped it off. Most of the time I even filmed it myself using the remote and watching myself on the tv screen.
Then CCNow and PayPal stopped processing for adult and I didnt have a good way to process my transactions anymore so I stopped doing them. I was kind of worried about the legal issues too.
I also had a few premades done they sold pretty good too. And I used to give them out a video free to members with 6 month memberships. I'd sell ALOT of those.
I own the domain amateurcustomvideos.com but I was busy enough with business from my paysite members that I never did develop that site.
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Originally posted by Sabby@Nov 17 2003, 02:12 AM
Then CCNow and PayPal stopped processing for adult and I didnt have a good way to process my transactions anymore so I stopped doing them. I was kind of worried about the legal issues too.
Yeah, the ecommerce is a trick for sure. All of the processors are geared toward subscription. Is anyone third party doing hard goods?
Looks like merchant account would be the only way to go. And somehow I suspect because it smells like pussy they'd still tag it high risk even though hard goods really shouldn't be.
Stay tuned Sabby, I think I'm finally gonna unveil at least a few of our sites under a revshare "real soon now". Several folx have been pestering me to do so for years.
I've been stubbornly self sufficient for all these years keeping most of my traffic for my own sites and not depending on outsiders. I have business partners that I couldn't do with out, and some key people I do business with, but we've always stayed below the radar and done our own thing.
I have sites of all types, you name it, I have some of them somewhere. I might even be able to find 'em! But my favorite as both a surfer and a webmaster has always been the amateurs. Most of our's would probably qualify as what I'll call "quasi-corporate" in that the girls are actually involved in the sites actively in most cases, but instead of a boyfriend or a hubby doing the geek work and shooting the photos, it is our company running the show.
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Nov 18 2003, 09:25 PM Stay tuned Sabby, I think I'm finally gonna unveil at least a few of our sites under a revshare "real soon now". Several folx have been pestering me to do so for years.
I've been stubbornly self sufficient for all these years keeping most of my traffic for my own sites and not depending on outsiders. I have business partners that I couldn't do with out, and some key people I do business with, but we've always stayed below the radar and done our own thing.
I have sites of all types, you name it, I have some of them somewhere. I might even be able to find 'em! But my favorite as both a surfer and a webmaster has always been the amateurs. Most of our's would probably qualify as what I'll call "quasi-corporate" in that the girls are actually involved in the sites actively in most cases, but instead of a boyfriend or a hubby doing the geek work and shooting the photos, it is our company running the show.
If he finds some bad pictures from Laura's Lair BBS and posts em on the main board...Ill have to resort to tell you about all his daytime jobs hahaah.
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Hmmm...ok, let's see, last time I went down that road SOME silly motherfucker introduced me to some mainstreamers who had this grandiose plan for an alternative billing solution for adult. They dangled an enormous salary and a significant stake in the action.
Ya know, if i put 50 cents with that stock now, I can get a coca cola!
Shame it looks like just a drive by spamming.... I was actually interested in knowing whether I would have to sign over both nuts or only one to get a merchant account for some amateur sites myself...
Originally posted by emmanuelle@Nov 16 2003, 05:39 PM Are ya crazy? Custom videos are the easiest way to build your library of stock titles available for sale, and filler content for your sites- all on the customer's dime.
They're not getting the copyright, only footage that you probably would have shot anyway, only shot to suit their individual fantasy.
I guess I do custom videos different than most people.
I do the video, send it to them, and that's it.
I don't ever use that footage.
It's their's. That's why they paid for it.
We've never done custom vids, mostly because we didn't have the time but also because we're not very good at catering to what other people want to see - we cater to what we want to do . We have always thought of it as a pretty easy way to make an extra couple hundred dollars a pop, though. We've never sold panties (mostly because i just don't get that particular fetish! yuk!).
We've sold VHS, CDs and DVDs and they've done really well for us on the site for the last however many years. The expense in handling distribution yourself comes mostly from time spent dubbing (minimal), inserting (a little longer) and addressing (the most time consuming part of the deal). We haven't made the volume of sales to make in-house duplication cost prohibitive.
I'd definitely suggest doing it if you have the material and know how to put it together. Even if sales aren't astronomical, every little bit helps, right?
And now we've just signed a distribution deal with the same company that does Shane's videos, so we're expecting our DVD/VHS sales to really take off, for the first time with out-of-house production.
We've done our sales through our merchant account and our late, lamented paypal account. We've had a merchant account since 1997, and even back then everyone was saying how hard it was to get a merchant account - we never had any problems getting it or maintaining it - then or now. In fact it was probably one of the simplest business accounts I've ever set up!
We got our account through First Bank of Beverly Hills, which is now IPayment, Inc. Our online processor/shopping cart is run through MerchantPartners.com
I'm pretty sure I heard a rumor a while back that IBill was going to process payments for tangible product again, so you might want to look into that, too.
Originally posted by Oasis@Nov 26 2003, 12:14 PM We've never done custom vids, mostly because we didn't have the time but also because we're not very good at catering to what other people want to see - we cater to what we want to do . We have always thought of it as a pretty easy way to make an extra couple hundred dollars a pop, though. We've never sold panties (mostly because i just don't get that particular fetish! yuk!).
We've sold VHS, CDs and DVDs and they've done really well for us on the site for the last however many years. The expense in handling distribution yourself comes mostly from time spent dubbing (minimal), inserting (a little longer) and addressing (the most time consuming part of the deal). We haven't made the volume of sales to make in-house duplication cost prohibitive.
I'd definitely suggest doing it if you have the material and know how to put it together. Even if sales aren't astronomical, every little bit helps, right?
And now we've just signed a distribution deal with the same company that does Shane's videos, so we're expecting our DVD/VHS sales to really take off, for the first time with out-of-house production.
We've done our sales through our merchant account and our late, lamented paypal account. We've had a merchant account since 1997, and even back then everyone was saying how hard it was to get a merchant account - we never had any problems getting it or maintaining it - then or now. In fact it was probably one of the simplest business accounts I've ever set up!
We got our account through First Bank of Beverly Hills, which is now IPayment, Inc. Our online processor/shopping cart is run through MerchantPartners.com
I'm pretty sure I heard a rumor a while back that IBill was going to process payments for tangible product again, so you might want to look into that, too.
Oasis
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Nice to see you. Speaking of video, I still have the very first one you guys did. Lance gave it to me in the summer of 1996 when he came up to Montreal for a visit
i sold videos for awhile myself....until January when i got screwed by a producer in Dallas. Basically, i made a DVD for him. He paid up front before i even made the trip (thru paypal) so i figured he was to be trusted. Promised me a copy of the finished DVD. Talked me into giving him all of my other stock videos and he'd put them to DVD with their own cover and UPC code and help me mass produce them. Well, stupid me...I sent him all of my videos. The originals since they were the best copy. That was the last i ever heard from him. I never received the DVD that i made, and i lost all of my videos. i went to his website and purchased my OWN dvd that he was selling so i could at least see it. i never received the product. I also know of 3 other people that bought my DVD that also never received the product. So because of that, i got out of the video business.
But now...i have a long term member. He owns every video I've ever made (except for that one particular DVD...which he ordered and never received) and has been after me to make new ones. He also sent me copies of all of my videos so I could reproduce them, but i've been leary because i know the quality would be screwed up. WELL.....guess what? For Christmas this guy bought one of those VHS to VHS dub machines for me....supposed to be here on the 2nd of December. Guess I kinda HAVE to make some new videos now, huh?? lol
Stayed away from custom videos even though I know there is money in it. Mainly because people get stupid in what they want done...all the way to which finger they want me to touch my nipple with....or which way they want me to rotate my ankle...just stupid stuff.
Panties and such? That's a fetish that i'm just not into. Sold a few pairs and got completely turned off when someone wanted to buy a pair that i had.....oh nevermind, some things are better left unsaid. LOL.
Originally posted by InXtacy@Nov 26 2003, 03:02 PM i sold videos for awhile myself....until January when i got screwed by a producer in Dallas. Basically, i made a DVD for him. He paid up front before i even made the trip (thru paypal) so i figured he was to be trusted. Promised me a copy of the finished DVD. Talked me into giving him all of my other stock videos and he'd put them to DVD with their own cover and UPC code and help me mass produce them. Well, stupid me...I sent him all of my videos. The originals since they were the best copy. That was the last i ever heard from him. I never received the DVD that i made, and i lost all of my videos. i went to his website and purchased my OWN dvd that he was selling so i could at least see it. i never received the product. I also know of 3 other people that bought my DVD that also never received the product. So because of that, i got out of the video business.
But now...i have a long term member. He owns every video I've ever made (except for that one particular DVD...which he ordered and never received) and has been after me to make new ones. He also sent me copies of all of my videos so I could reproduce them, but i've been leary because i know the quality would be screwed up. WELL.....guess what? For Christmas this guy bought one of those VHS to VHS dub machines for me....supposed to be here on the 2nd of December. Guess I kinda HAVE to make some new videos now, huh?? lol
Stayed away from custom videos even though I know there is money in it. Mainly because people get stupid in what they want done...all the way to which finger they want me to touch my nipple with....or which way they want me to rotate my ankle...just stupid stuff.
Panties and such? That's a fetish that i'm just not into. Sold a few pairs and got completely turned off when someone wanted to buy a pair that i had.....oh nevermind, some things are better left unsaid. LOL.
Welcome to the am board.
Thanks for the input...which site is it you run?
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I saw that netbilling posted a response on here and someone said must be a spam. I have just finished setting up a merchent account with net billing and it was very simple and not that expensive if you are just selling hard goods and not memberships. adult hard goods are not considered high risk so it only cost me 150 bucks to get that mercant account. now to use it for memberships is a differant story that is high risk and it will cost you 2gs to get that. But for hard goods it is a very simple process. Just thought I would put my 2 cents in
Originally posted by Ginafine@Nov 26 2003, 09:07 PM I saw that netbilling posted a response on here and someone said must be a spam. I have just finished setting up a merchent account with net billing and it was very simple and not that expensive if you are just selling hard goods and not memberships. adult hard goods are not considered high risk so it only cost me 150 bucks to get that mercant account. now to use it for memberships is a differant story that is high risk and it will cost you 2gs to get that. But for hard goods it is a very simple process. Just thought I would put my 2 cents in
Gina Fine
I set up one of those accounts as well a couple of years ago.
We had hoped that Mitch wasnt too busy and would contribute as oppsed to a free plug for netbilling...and answer some questions about the ease of getting a merchant account these days.
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I have had my site for about 3 years now and have offered DVD and VHS from the beginning. As I now have over 40 titles I have found a professioal company to master and protect my DVD and make linear dump that I send to another company to make my VHS copies. Just don't have time to do myself anymore.
Still used IBILL for processing...they take a lot and now that I can not accept Mastercard through them I have lost about 1/4 of my sales.
Netbilling rocks. We use them for membership and for hard good sales.
If you are looking to sell videos and what not, you do not need an adult merchant account. All you pay is a small setup fee to the bank and a small setup fee to Netbilling. I think you can do it all for under $200.
If you get a nice shopping cart you can use netbilling's features as the gateway and set it so the surfer never even sees the netbilling interface. This way it looks more professional on your end. (you will have to setup SSL though)
When we converted Georgia's store from using pay pal on regular html pages to a professional shopping cart with a built in affiliate program, sales quadrupled. Netbilling will process more sales than third party processors and it gives you more control over what you can do with fraud and security.
If you need more info on shopping carts, please feel free to shoot us an email. Sweet Georgia's Store
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