Heres How 2257 Should Be Addressed

[dirtysgoindown]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

2257 should be removed.
It's that simple.
When are we going to stop accepting governments demanding to "show me your papers" before we can enjoy the freedoms guaranteed to us by birthright?

Anything less is appeasement. And appeasement only makes the aggressor, more aggressive.
We must fight the fight. Stop "accepting" tighter and tighter restrictions.
They don't work anyhow. The criminals still break the law. All you are doing is hurting the honest people.

There is no way to "sensibly apply 2257," as it is unconstitutional. And it will always be so.

What do you propose exactly? The reality is you are one person. You cannot defeat the government. Even if 2257 gets struck down, they will just draft up and pass something else.

This is not like the start of our country where if we disagreed with the way we are run we can organize a rebellion and fight a war. The government will never give in and they make the rules. Unless you can overthrow the government and redefine the law and judicial process, you will always have to deal with it.

I admire your conviction but I would think there are more pressing issues that need fighting than 2257.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by dirtysgoindown

What do you propose exactly? The reality is you are one person. You cannot defeat the government. Even if 2257 gets struck down, they will just draft up and pass something else.

This is not like the start of our country where if we disagreed with the way we are run we can organize a rebellion and fight a war. The government will never give in and they make the rules. Unless you can overthrow the government and redefine the law and judicial process, you will always have to deal with it.

I admire your conviction but I would think there are more pressing issues that need fighting than 2257.

Yes, I'm one citizen. But not alone. And my constitutional right, the 1st one on the list, trumps 300 million other's desire to take that right from me.

Have you READ the constitution? Or are you a "non-American," arguing about something you have no right to argue about?

I propose we eliminate 2257, and stop wasting time trying to restrict people's freedoms. I didn't start the fight, and I don't want it. But the usurpers of freedom have brought it to my doorstep. I swore an oath to defend the constitution. Not just when I had time, or when it was convenient. But whenever is was under attack, by whomever was attacking it, foreign or domestic.

And if they draft something else, we'll fight that as well. One fight at a time.

[dirtysgoindown]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Yes, I'm one citizen. But not alone. And my constitutional right, the 1st one on the list, trumps 300 million other's desire to take that right from me.

Have you READ the constitution? Or are you a "non-American," arguing about something you have no right to argue about?

I propose we eliminate 2257, and stop wasting time trying to restrict people's freedoms. I didn't start the fight, and I don't want it. But the usurpers of freedom have brought it to my doorstep. I swore an oath to defend the constitution. Not just when I had time, or when it was convenient. But whenever is was under attack, by whomever was attacking it, foreign or domestic.

And if they draft something else, we'll fight that as well. One fight at a time.

One citizen or many citizens does not bring change. How else can one explain how taxes still exist in this country as this one the major reason for the war of independence.

Look I am right there with you on many issues. But the fact will always be that you cannot beat the government. Even when you do, they just rewrite a law and the cycle begins all over again. In the mean time, you have to spend your resources trying to find a way to beat the man. The man will always win in the end.

This "freedom" that was conceived with the birth of our Constitution has dwindled over the years because power and money hungry politicians saw more advantage in the control of thought than the freedom of it.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by dirtysgoindown

One citizen or many citizens does not bring change. How else can one explain how taxes still exist in this country as this one the major reason for the war of independence.

Look I am right there with you on many issues. But the fact will always be that you cannot beat the government. Even when you do, they just rewrite a law and the cycle begins all over again. In the mean time, you have to spend your resources trying to find a way to beat the man. The man will always win in the end.

This "freedom" that was conceived with the birth of our Constitution has dwindled over the years because power and money hungry politicians saw more advantage in the control of thought than the freedom of it.

Exactly as I thought. a "non-American.'
I'm sorry for you. It is difficult to discuss a topic without a common frame of reference.
The thing about our form of government, IS the form of government. Here, if we don't like the form, we change it. I have personally chosen to change it from the inside. I currently hold 3 political offices in my local government, and am doing my part.

I'm always amazed at people that say "oh, it's just awful about so and so." Then you ask them, "Did you vote? Have you served? What have you done to effect change?" and they say, No, I didn't vote, and I've done nothing. Then they wonder why it doesn't change. And they hide under the sofa, hoping the FBI doesn't pick their number.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Exactly as I thought. a "non-American.'

No, he is probably very American. Unfortunately, too many Americans just don't know their own history! The real problem is ignorance as this dirty guy has shown.

Do you realize more Canadians know more American history (and geography) than Americans on a proportional basis? It does make it easier for the government to run roughshod over everything.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

No, he is probably very American. Unfortunately, too many Americans just don't know their own history! The real problem is ignorance as this dirty guy has shown.

Do you realize more Canadians know more American history (and geography) than Americans on a proportional basis? It does make it easier for the government to run roughshod over everything.

Sadly, that may well be true.