LotzaDollars.com / Re-Invented

[Toby]

I don't think I'm "entitled" to a piece of everything the program does, just a fair share of what the customer I sent to them buys. Other ethical issues aside, I don't see pre-checks as any different than links to clip stores, email signup forms, or other traffic leaks on program tours that the affiliate isn't getting paid for.

They can do anything they want with the traffic they generate themselves, but if I'm sending the traffic via a revshare agreement, then pay me my fair share.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

I don't think I'm "entitled" to a piece of everything the program does, just a fair share of what the customer I sent to them buys. Other ethical issues aside, I don't see pre-checks as any different than links to clip stores, email signup forms, or other traffic leaks on program tours that the affiliate isn't getting paid for.

They can do anything they want with the traffic they generate themselves, but if I'm sending the traffic via a revshare agreement, then pay me my fair share.

Just food for thought, Toby. If I refer you to a car dealer, I prolly get a few hundred bucks or some percentage of the sticker price of that car. Am I now entitled to a percentage of all the upgraded tires and spit shines he sells as well as a piece of the next deal he makes when he trades it in?

For the sake of argument, doesn't a referral kind of end with the introduction, hand shake and initial purchase? This in the real world. I have received "bonuses" for client referrals in the film business, but that was for the introduction. The referral fees paid in porn are astronomical compared to any other business.

How many industries have cookies that run deeper than that intro? Perhaps that is part of the reason this system is broken at the moment.

Not breaking anyone's balls here, but I kinda see both sides of this referral coin and believe me this has nothing to do with scumbag cross sales.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

...doesn't a referral kind of end with the introduction, hand shake and initial purchase?

I don't expect a percentage of everything the customer ever purchases from that sponsor (unless that's part of the agreement). I just want the agreed percentage of whatever he buys at the time of that initial purchase.

You can think of cookies as analagous to a delayed into. You send someone to see your contact at the car dealer and the guy is off that day so they have to come back another day.

Personally, it's a moot point. I do not promote sponsors using any form of pre-checked cross sale, and I haven't seen any sponsors using unchecked cross sales.

I also don't pay much attention to cookie life. If I don't make the sale before the surfer leaves the site then I figure that chance is lost. I think I have a much better chance that he'll visit my site again and follow that same or another link back to the sponsor, rather than from a bookmark or from another non-affiliate link. Many surfers are also using utilities that delete cookies on a nightly basis, so it's a non-factor as far as I'm concerned.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

I don't expect a percentage of everything the customer ever purchases from that sponsor (unless that's part of the agreement). I just want the agreed percentage of whatever he buys at the time of that initial purchase.

You can think of cookies as analagous to a delayed into. You send someone to see your contact at the car dealer and the guy is off that day so they have to come back another day.

Personally, it's a moot point. I do not promote sponsors using any form of pre-checked cross sale, and I haven't seen any sponsors using unchecked cross sales.

I also don't pay much attention to cookie life. If I don't make the sale before the surfer leaves the site then I figure that chance is lost. I think I have a much better chance that he'll visit my site again and follow that same or another link back to the sponsor, rather than from a bookmark or from another non-affiliate link. Many surfers are also using utilities that delete cookies on a nightly basis, so it's a non-factor as far as I'm concerned.

I delete my cookies every time my browser closes. But that seems to be a problem for a lot of newbies. I absolutely agree with you on the agreement. You make a deal, you stick to it. I will do back flips to live up to my obligations and am appalled by those who don't.

[gonzo]

FWIW

If I fail to sell the surfer on the initial click to any sponsor then I have not successfully reffer a customer that turns into a sale.