Government scores victory against woman who can't leave her house

[Sexyteaser]

Ok this just kills me.... We have many mainstream movies, books, tv shows that depicted these kinds of scenes but of course they did not want to go up against any of them so they chose this little person to beat up on this issue of obscenity in text.

I am writing them today and voicing my opinion about this case.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Sexyteaser

Ok this just kills me.... We have many mainstream movies, books, tv shows that depicted these kinds of scenes but of course they did not want to go up against any of them so they chose this little person to beat up on this issue of obscenity in text.

I am writing them today and voicing my opinion about this case.

Well I guess with the justices holding up the child porn law today by a vote of 7-2 movies and other mediums are now fair game - but we will have to see if they will still spend all their time prosecuting the weak and ignoring the bigger fish with large legal funds.

Remember that a script (written word) is how a movie or tv show is developed and those scripts are often transmitted via electronically.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Sexyteaser

Ok this just kills me.... We have many mainstream movies, books, tv shows that depicted these kinds of scenes but of course they did not want to go up against any of them so they chose this little person to beat up on this issue of obscenity in text.

I am writing them today and voicing my opinion about this case.

There was a line that was crossed in this case, sadly hard to define, but it had to do a bunch with the intent.

My personal example is the first Death Wish movie. In that movie, the mother and daugher are followed home, the mother killed after she is forced to watch her daughter be violently raped and left for dead as well. It is an integral part of the story, and the scene was (especially for the times) very graphic and rather disturbing.

However, and this is important: It was part of a greater whole, the movie didn't dwell on the rape. It wasn't a 2 hour movie with 90 minutes of rape of 30 minutes of seeking revenge, but rather a transient (about 2 minutes total) part of a 2 hour movie. They didn't show gyno shots, they didn't show her bleeding pubis, they didn't show the perp's cum dribbling out of her bleeding ass... they didn't discuss it in detail, they didn't have to - it wasn't important, it wasn't the object of the story, and it wasn't needed.

Karen's child porn stories were massively disturbing (and I like erotic stories, the first types of sites I ever owned). I read parts of one of them, and they were all about raping children (Often under the age of 5), going into great detail, dwelling on the acts, the blood, the disgust, the crying... absolutely horrible. There was no other object of the story but to violate the children, to show HOW to violate the children, and to document the violation of children.

Now, before the free speech mongers get on my case, please think past the ends of your noses. I understand that the US system is based on bizarre absolutes (if the courts ban or criminalize any speech, they can criminalize it all!), but common sense is one of those things that must prevail here. There is no reason to have stories out there that coach, encourage, and teach people how to abuse children. There is no reason to give prospective child abusers spank material to help them build up their desires to rape children, and there is no literary value to a text that does nothing but dwell on the fine details of how to rape a child and the enjoyment derived from doing so. No child should ever have to suffer this fate, and a sane society doesn't need an author to write publish material that would incite this type of action by anyone.

Also, consider this: If these stories were put together in a book and sold at your local adult bookstore, how long before that store would be raided? Would you expect to find this book in your local library? Perhaps it would be good material for your child's 7th grade ethics class? The answers are pretty much "right away", "no", and "never!".

Bizarre absolutes meet reality. Film at 11.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

There was a line that was crossed in this case, sadly hard to define, but it had to do a bunch with the intent.

My personal example is the first Death Wish movie. In that movie, the mother and daugher are followed home, the mother killed after she is forced to watch her daughter be violently raped and left for dead as well. It is an integral part of the story, and the scene was (especially for the times) very graphic and rather disturbing.

However, and this is important: It was part of a greater whole, the movie didn't dwell on the rape. It wasn't a 2 hour movie with 90 minutes of rape of 30 minutes of seeking revenge, but rather a transient (about 2 minutes total) part of a 2 hour movie. They didn't show gyno shots, they didn't show her bleeding pubis, they didn't show the perp's cum dribbling out of her bleeding ass... they didn't discuss it in detail, they didn't have to - it wasn't important, it wasn't the object of the story, and it wasn't needed.

Karen's child porn stories were massively disturbing (and I like erotic stories, the first types of sites I ever owned). I read parts of one of them, and they were all about raping children (Often under the age of 5), going into great detail, dwelling on the acts, the blood, the disgust, the crying... absolutely horrible. There was no other object of the story but to violate the children, to show HOW to violate the children, and to document the violation of children.

Now, before the free speech mongers get on my case, please think past the ends of your noses. I understand that the US system is based on bizarre absolutes (if the courts ban or criminalize any speech, they can criminalize it all!), but common sense is one of those things that must prevail here. There is no reason to have stories out there that coach, encourage, and teach people how to abuse children. There is no reason to give prospective child abusers spank material to help them build up their desires to rape children, and there is no literary value to a text that does nothing but dwell on the fine details of how to rape a child and the enjoyment derived from doing so. No child should ever have to suffer this fate, and a sane society doesn't need an author to write publish material that would incite this type of action by anyone.

Also, consider this: If these stories were put together in a book and sold at your local adult bookstore, how long before that store would be raided? Would you expect to find this book in your local library? Perhaps it would be good material for your child's 7th grade ethics class? The answers are pretty much "right away", "no", and "never!".

Bizarre absolutes meet reality. Film at 11.

Great post!!!! At 7 years old I did something pretty heroic and told a neighbor that her daughter was raped by an old man - it had been going on for some time but I never actually witnessed anything I just had a feeling what was happening behind the closed door. For many years following that I dealt with being told I was a liar and stupid (probably why I can handle Rhets comments aboout me) and he never really got caught until he died 20 years later and everything he did was discovered in secret places in his house.

The girl recently wrote about her experience with graphic detail and I read it (and it made me sick and I asked her not to include it in her book, especially my name even if it was a thank you) and it was transmitted electronically and it is part of the foreword for her new book. I did not see the context from your view point but from my own experience and knowing how helpful it was for this person and others to write about their experiences and share them even if its behind the umbrella of being fiction. I don't know what the intent of these people are or was nor do I know anything about the sick people who enjoy this kind of stuff movies and all - I am more a comedy girl, don't like to watch anything scary or violent.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I read parts of one of them, and they were all about raping children (Often under the age of 5)..........

So, you are a psychic of some kind that based on reading parts of one story you can make a reasonable determination of what all the stories are about?


Must be nice to be omniscient

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, you are a psychic of some kind that based on reading parts of one story you can make a reasonable determination of what all the stories are about?


Must be nice to be omniscient

It's called skimming... I don't have to read all of a book to get the gist of the book. I don't have to look at 10 stories called "5 year old gets raped" to know that all of them are about 5 year olds getting raped.

Must be nice to be able to dismiss a well thought out with a wave of your paw.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It's called skimming... I don't have to read all of a book to get the gist of the book. I don't have to look at 10 stories called "5 year old gets raped" to know that all of them are about 5 year olds getting raped.

Must be nice to be able to dismiss a well thought out with a wave of your paw.

Only Canadians have paws. We down here have hands thank you very much.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Only Canadians have paws. We down here have hands thank you very much.

Considering the depth of your comments, I have to assume you have paws... sometimes I get concerned you might still walk on all fours as well, but that is a different issue for a different thread.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

There was a line that was crossed in this case, sadly hard to define, but it had to do a bunch with the intent.

My personal example is the first Death Wish movie. In that movie, the mother and daugher are followed home, the mother killed after she is forced to watch her daughter be violently raped and left for dead as well. It is an integral part of the story, and the scene was (especially for the times) very graphic and rather disturbing.

However, and this is important: It was part of a greater whole, the movie didn't dwell on the rape. It wasn't a 2 hour movie with 90 minutes of rape of 30 minutes of seeking revenge, but rather a transient (about 2 minutes total) part of a 2 hour movie. They didn't show gyno shots, they didn't show her bleeding pubis, they didn't show the perp's cum dribbling out of her bleeding ass... they didn't discuss it in detail, they didn't have to - it wasn't important, it wasn't the object of the story, and it wasn't needed.
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What a really great example....let's see now....rape bad...Ok. Anal rape bad...Ok. Torture and rape bad...Ok
So, then, you are saying the rest of the movie, where he hunts down and kills everyone else was good? Is that your example?

Yea....I'm not sure promoting "killing" is a good way to talk about this "as a whole."


But then again, I've got a real problem with most censorship. I don't like what she did, didn't like her website, and wouldn't get out of my chair to defend it.
But I worry it sets a dangerous precedent.

It's a WHOLE LOT EASIER now to find "other words" obscene. THAT'S the part that worries me.

When they outlawed machine guns, nobody was really concerned. Then they slowly worked down the list, bit by bit......and they are still working on it.

America always over reacts to everything. And children? Forget about it.