Too Much Media vs. NR Media....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

so back to your original question.. what is your personal stake in all this? "if he is on the side of the truth, then he should not be so one sided about it" which side are you on lol

I am on neither side. I have read the deops, I have gone back and reviewed threads on GFY.

I find Chris and Tracy to be believeable. I find Blake to be less believable but not to the point of criminal and my opinion of Charles what's his face is quite low.

Haven't seen what Albright has to say beyond his posts. I find it very hard to believe that he did his postings to protect TMM or affiliates. He did his post (imho) because Chris told him to fuck off on the phone. He took what could have been resolved privately and threw it up on the boards and basically torpedoed someone elses's program over his own ego.

I don't think Chris and Tracy's non-solution to the problem is the best one but they are locked out of the program and can only get back in if they do it TMM's way which is bullshit.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

He did his post (imho) because Chris told him to fuck off on the phone.

So that's how you respond when you have nothing to hide, rather then.. I'm on the road, lets chat when I get back...

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

So that's how you respond when you have nothing to hide, rather then.. I'm on the road, lets chat when I get back...

If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed? Let's just say it's a bill collector. They call and say, hey, you owe $5000 on your visa, what you gonna do about it? But as far as you know, the visa has been paid on time, you gonna guarantee to be friendly with that guy? And fucking be honest about it.

[sarettah]

Chirs's version of the phonecall:

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed? Let's just say it's a bill collector. They call and say, hey, you owe $5000 on your visa, what you gonna do about it? But as far as you know, the visa has been paid on time, you gonna guarantee to be friendly with that guy? And fucking be honest about it.

I would get to the bottom of whatever the issue was, especially if it meant me owing people money...i HATE owing people money

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

I would get to the bottom of whatever the issue was, especially if it meant me owing people money...i HATE owing people money

Oh, ok. Yes, you are the level headed one aren't you? So, you wouldn't go off on someone accusing you of something?

Right.



All those that believe that, I got a bridge you might be interested in.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Oh, ok. Yes, you are the level headed one aren't you? So, you wouldn't go off on someone accusing you of something?

Right.



All those that believe that, I got a bridge you might be interested in.

actually, no, i wouldn't...I am a mediator by nature, very peaceful in fact

chris is known to be hot headed by nature

i am no where on the same level as him as far as tempers go

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

actually, no, i wouldn't...I am a mediator by nature, very peaceful in fact

You wouldn't know that by the way you act on the boards.

[Sexyteaser]

defamation is not an after thought...

This is taken from the filed complaint

NATS Case Files
03.18.2008 | SECOND AMENDED AND SUPPLEMENTAL COMPLAINT:
(“Plaintiffs”) for their First Supplemental and Amended Complaint (the “FSAC”), brings this hybrid action against defendants Too Much Media, LLC, John Albright, and Charles Berrebbi, Fred Schank and John Does 1-30, on knowledge as to Plaintiffs and their own acts, and as to other matters on information and belief, on behalf of NR Media, LLC and the proposed class defined herein, and in support thereof alleges the following...

... Moreover, not only were the TMM Defendants aware that TMM’s security had been breached and the NATS program is otherwise defective, upon information and belief, they intentionally concealed those facts from the public, including particularly NRM and all members of the Class. Upon information and belief, in furtherance of their efforts to suppress the truth concerning TMM and NATS’s security vulnerabilities and breaches, the TMM Defendants applied financial pressure to those who would criticize TMM and NATS by threatening to withdraw advertising revenues and/or to bring litigation. Moreover, TMM’s pledge to terminate NATS services to any Affiliate Program it determines has engaged in shaving is a cudgel by which the TMM Defendants are able to stifle open and honest discussion concerning TMM and NATS. TMM’s NATS-based information processing services are critical to the Affiliate Programs operated by NRM and all members of the Class who have contracted with TMM to provide same. If deprived of such services, the Affiliate Programs that rely upon NATS would be rendered inoperable. Further, upon information and belief, all of TMM’s agreements to provide information processing services are oral; as such, Sponsors who have entered into agreements with TMM for NATS-based information processing services have no reasonable means of ascertaining the true scope of their legal rights. As a result of the dependency of NATS-supported Affiliate Programs upon TMM to provide the NATS based information processing services for which they have contracted,, as well as the vagueness of the their contractual relationship with TMM, the Sponsors of such Affiliate Programs are able to risk having the TMM Defendants carry out their standing threat to terminate services to any Affiliate Programs that it has determined, in said defendants’ sole discretion, to have engaged in shaving....

[Toby]

Originally Posted by sarettah

If the caller hits me wrong, hell yes. And you know that you would too.

If you had no knowledge of an issue and out of the blue someone calls and is nasty with you, are you friendly or pissed?....

And there is the rub in a nutshell. I don't believe that John's phone call in Aug 2006 was the first time that Chris had been made aware of the rebill problem. Blake's deposition details a number of occassions where Chris is involved in conversations about it and I don't think Blake lied about them in his deposition.

Ohhh, and for the record, I have no personal relationship with ANY of the parties involved in the lawsuit.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Toby

And there is the rub in a nutshell. I don't believe that John's phone call in Aug 2006 was the first time that Chris had been made aware of the rebill problem. Blake's deposition details a number of occassions where Chris is involved in conversations about it and I don't think Blake lied about them in his deposition.

Ohhh, and for the record, I have no personal relationship with ANY of the parties involved in the lawsuit.

Yeah, but Chris says there was a brief discussion at some point and that was all there was and he has the chat logs to back him up.

That is a telling point to me. Chris and Tracy have documentation. When Blake is asked if he does he does not say, well I would if I could get on the company's computer or something like that, he says, no. (period) He does not have documentation.

My personal feelings on this after doing all the fucking reading, and this is with a good deal of supposition thrown in, is something like this:

Chris, Tracy, Blake and Amy start a company. Blake is the tech guy. By accident, Blake puts in a wrong user/pass co on the CCB datalink. He finds that several months down the road and is like "Oh shit". So, he talks to TMM and finds out the data is not lost and tells them to start correcting it. He sees how fast the money is piling up and is again "Oh shit" and tells them to turn it off. Somewhere in there he tells Chris there is a problem but they do not go into detail, Chris asks is it being handled, Blake says yep and that is the end of it as far as conversation goes. Blake forgets that he put the issue on hold because of shows and shit. They get back to it months later and he turns the repull back on sees the same issue with it mounting up too quick, stops the process while he wrestles with what to about it.

Meanwhile, Chris and Tracy decide that Blake and Amy must go because of other issues. They do the split up and are unaware that the rebill issue is still sitting there until Chris gets his phone call from Albright. The call does not go well and within hours (literally) lawyers are involved and all action comes to a halt.

And then it sits because of the oh so fast speed of our legal system.

Like I say, a lot of supposition in there.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Yeah, but Chris says there was a brief discussion at some point and that was all there was and he has the chat logs to back him up.

That is a telling point to me. Chris and Tracy have documentation. When Blake is asked if he does he does not say, well I would if I could get on the company's computer or something like that, he says, no. (period) He does not have documentation.

My personal feelings on this after doing all the fucking reading, and this is with a good deal of supposition thrown in, is something like this:

Chris, Tracy, Blake and Amy start a company. Blake is the tech guy. By accident, Blake puts in a wrong user/pass co on the CCB datalink. He finds that several months down the road and is like "Oh shit". So, he talks to TMM and finds out the data is not lost and tells them to start correcting it. He sees how fast the money is piling up and is again "Oh shit" and tells them to turn it off. Somewhere in there he tells Chris there is a problem but they do not go into detail, Chris asks is it being handled, Blake says yep and that is the end of it as far as conversation goes. Blake forgets that he put the issue on hold because of shows and shit. They get back to it months later and he turns the repull back on sees the same issue with it mounting up too quick, stops the process while he wrestles with what to about it.

Meanwhile, Chris and Tracy decide that Blake and Amy must go because of other issues. They do the split up and are unaware that the rebill issue is still sitting there until Chris gets his phone call from Albright. The call does not go well and within hours (literally) lawyers are involved and all action comes to a halt.

And then it sits because of the oh so fast speed of our legal system.

Like I say, a lot of suppostion in there.

That is exactly what Chris wanted you to believe. Congratulations, it's official, you've been manipulated.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Toby

That is exactly what Chris wanted you to believe. Congratulations, you've officially been manipulated.

Actually I go most of that from Blakes depositions and it is not what I believe. It is a possible version. If Chris has been putting that out there I haven't seen it.

I have no idea what to believe and what not to believe.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I don't think Chris and Tracy's non-solution to the problem is the best one but they are locked out of the program and can only get back in if they do it TMM's way which is bullshit.

How many time has TMM offered to unlock admin for them to get that resolved. But instead they get a noticed from NRM not to contact them directly?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

How many time has TMM offered to unlock admin for them to get that resolved. But instead they get a noticed from NRM not to contact them directly?

Once you get lawyers involved it all goes to hell, you know that. And the lawyers were involved as soon as Albright's post went up.