Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

I do believe him - because it's true!


Once again, I am not here to give you lessons. The information is freely available. Learn the same way I did, and do: find the right information, and read it, and understand it. Google is your friend if you are too cheap to buy a decent textbook..

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman,

If the information is freely available, why don't you show me where it is? You are the one saying that Mac Addresses are available for any Pc on the Internet. You are the one doing the acusing now. All I am asking you for is How? Where?

Let's take a step back for a moment. Forget you hate me. Instead, lets work together to find out if it is possible to obtain a MAC address the way you are describing. Ok?

If MAC Addresses are obtainable, why don't we ALL discover how this is done? This kind of thing can be very useful to webmasters, billing companies, etc.

If the MAC Addresses were visible to companies like CCBill, they could use it to stop credit card fraud in a second. Think about this: If you discovered that someone was using stolen credit cards to buy from your website, you could block their MAC address and then never be frauded by that guy again!
Blocking the IP Address, like blocking the email address, is pointless because people can easily get another IP or email address. Blocking MAC Addresses would be a miracle for credit card processors.

So tell me again: If a person's visit to a website such as Oprano is trackable by Mac Addresses, don't you think Mac addressing blocks would be in place? Surprise, they're not. Why? Because it is impossible for any means for 1 machine to obtain the mac address of another machine over a WAN, unless the target is running an application that reads the mac address of that machine in the first place.

Kisses,
Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Kisses? no thanks, I don't kiss fags.
When you end up in the pen though, you'll just be the Posse's bitch.

Still trying to draw attention away from the original point are you? Must have hit a nerve there.

Google is your friend.

MAC addresses can be spoofed, like many, many other technologies.

How do you know that isn't being used widely?
You don't.
If it were not, how do you know it is due to technological reasons?
You don't.

Tracking is not synonymous with BLOCKING, to begin with . . . but this is a waste of time, I could break it down for you all the way to protons and neutrons, and you still wouldn't get it . . .

Your assumptions are much too broad, and shallow. Your logic is awful basic there. I am starting to feel sorry for you . . .

I can see that this goes WAY over your head.

And the point STILL remains, you were caught, and have obviously been wiggling like crazy to shrug it off . . .