Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[2MuchMark]

No Shellee,

You are wrong on all of these points. We already credited you when you asked for it. And if you recall, you also took very quick advantage of an ommission in our contract and forced us to give you even more credit which you did not deserve in my opinion, but that we gave to you anyway. Please go back to your copies of your account statement with 2Much to verify this.

In addition, we never demanded that you buy traffic from us. We had purchased 500,000 clicks from a reputable pay per click broker and obtained a discount which we offered to pass on to you and our other clients. Not only was the traffic very targeted, but included stats and a method for you to manage the traffic via keywords that you could have selected.

Mark Prince

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No Shellee,

You are wrong on all of these points. We already credited you when you asked for it. And if you recall, you also took very quick advantage of an ommission in our contract and forced us to give you even more credit which you did not deserve in my opinion, but that we gave to you anyway. Please go back to your copies of your account statement with 2Much to verify this.

In addition, we never demanded that you buy traffic from us. We had purchased 500,000 clicks from a reputable pay per click broker and obtained a discount which we offered to pass on to you and our other clients. Not only was the traffic very targeted, but included stats and a method for you to manage the traffic via keywords that you could have selected.

Mark Prince

But if I am so stupid how could I ever take advantage of a brilliant man like you?

By the way here is the traffic demand email you sent...
Mark,



----- Original Message ----- From: Shellee Hale
To: Mark Prince
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Idea...



Mark,

Your offer makes no sense. You state:

If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

But Part 1 states:

Part 1:
Get CCBill to approve your websites. Send us your CCBill Username
and password and we will install your account on both websites for
you at a cost of $250.00 per website. You cannot make money for
yourself or for us without the ability to bill your clients. Your
previous sub-account is no longer available and cannot be
re-installed, sorry.

There is nothing free in Part 1. Also, this does not mean that our current contract is invalid and there are still outstanding monies that are due me until you provide the amended contract.

Please refund the $1000.00 per website and then charge the $250.00 to install ccbill and then email me the suggestion you have from

Part 3.
Advertise your website.
Greg Jones and I will have a meeting this week and review your site,
your performers and your current traffic. We will then make some
suggestions for you that you MUST follow, including the purchase of
some Pay Per Click Traffic from 2Much as well as from other
sources, and other advertising avenues. The cost for these services
will come out of your pocket. If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Part 3.
Advertise your website.
Greg Jones and I will have a meeting this week and review your site,
your performers and your current traffic. We will then make some
suggestions for you that you MUST follow, including the purchase of
some Pay Per Click Traffic from 2Much as well as from other
sources, and other advertising avenues. The cost for these services
will come out of your pocket. If you do not follow our advice and
do not advertise your site, then we will not help you for free as
described in "Part 1".

To clarify Shellee, we had offered you a discount price of our LiveCamNetwork in exchange for revenue share with you. After 6 months or so we still had made no money from this arrangement with you. When you purchased the license at the discount rate you assured us it would be a team effort. In the end we felt that we had been tricked, and more importantly, our time spent assisting you completely wasted.

The fact that you were then demanding credit you did not deserve, taking advantage of something we left out of our contract, free services, refusing to remove images that you did not own etc, refusing to take our advice, refusing to put on quality content etc, prompted that email. If you did not follow our suggestions (or at least offer qualified reasons why you would not), then we would no longer continue those free services and instead charge you Per Service.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[Toby]

Why does the phrase Turnkey Website keep running through my head?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Why does the phrase Turnkey Website keep running through my head?

Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Now that brings back memories. Decisions, decisions. (on Turnkey Websites)

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does. It's a video chat system that includes things like billing, accounting, user management, performer management, ability to network with other sites, etc.

It's still completely non-turnkey though to let owners customize the look and feel any way that they want, hire their own chat models, charge anything they like per minute, and pay anything they want per minute.

When people purchase our system, we advise them on how to use it. We even give them free access to our own business model which has worked for us for years.

(We would be pleased to offer a demo if anyone is interested! Even better, if you qualify, we would consider giving the right customer a FREE LiveCamNetwork license in exchange for a small revenue share.

If it works for you, great! Hopefully you will understand our grief with Shellee Hale. If it does not work for you, then at least you're out absolutely no money.

Shellee's unfortunate experience with 2Much derives from the fact that she simply ignored virtually every bit of advice we offered her and that is what lead to (continues to lead to) the pissing contest you see here. Oh well.

Contact us at 2Much!
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Toby]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I have always hated the term "Turnkey" myself but actually it is a good description of what LiveCamNetwork does...

There's good reason to hate the term, since the vast majority of them are scams and rarely earn anyone but the site seller a dime.

[softball]

Perhaps you and your online ventures make millions also, since you took offense to my post.
It was obviously geared toward those that are experts in theory but not practice.

D, I feel like shaking you by the fucking collar. I am not taking offense at your posts I am supporting you. I have been all along. The million dollar thing is for your customers. I have no idea if you pay that out or not. Nor do I fucking care. The car thing is another bling thing that may or may not sell product. That is not the issue. What you put in the bank is and I have no idea what you put in the bank. But online, you pitch rich. So, when you fire broadsides on a board of your...no fear quotes necessary...your peers, then that all means shit. We all do that. It is how we make our living. So stop ragging on me for trying to make you look good. OK?

[Hammer]

I like pie.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I like pie.

Hammer your back..... I got two black eyes a broken rib and a bruised kidney so don't make me re-live it with telling me how big of an idiot I am... Why didn't you just invite me over to the newbies section?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Hammer your back..... I got two black eyes a broken rib and a bruised kidney so don't make me re-live it with telling me how big of an idiot I am... Why didn't you just invite me over to the newbies section?

How'd you do that?

Look, sometimes we all tend to post things we don't mean and I'm sure you're not an idiot. I apologize for calling you one. I still don't think it's a good idea to post home addresses on an adult forum, especially for a woman. One of the major complaints many solo models had concerning the changes to 2257 was the fact that they'd have to post their home address as the custodian of records and they were worried about stalkers.

I also had a problem with your cavalier attitude over the child references in your code when it was pointed out to you. I realize the way it was brought to your attention and the fact that it was done so by someone with a fake nick wasn't the optimal way of doing so but it was still something that IMO should have been addressed immediately.

The newbies section doesn't seem to be very popular here on Oprano and even though I'm the moderator I must admit I rarely remember to check it out.