Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot.

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future. Even better I will post a huge-assed apology to you for doubting you, and then french-kiss Media guy because Hey - he's one sexy, sexy man.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Ridiculous response, and a pathetic attempt at drawing attention away from the points I raised, which were - in case you still did not get them - that you are awful ignorant (for not knowing something as elementary as that, and resorting to Wikipedia for a reference LOL) and idiotic (for concluding that others are as ignorant as you are when denying that Gonzo caught you posting under another user account) to be calling someone a fucking idiot.

You are pathetic kid, you obviously are not even capable of seeing that you are digging your own grave business wise with all this being verbally abusive and disrespectful toward a woman, who is a FORMER CLIENT of yours . . . it's almost painful to watch you do it . . . you really do think that others cannot see right through you, you really do . . . amazing.

(YAWN)

Get your MAC address so I can impress an ignoramus such as yourself? PLEASE MAN. Quit humiliating yourself . . .

(YAWN)

Now go on, keep talking more shit, while attempting to avoid the points I brought up, go on, you are awful predictable you know . . .

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

Yall really need to quit talking about that plug in while your ahead.
Youve assumed way to much about what Ive told you.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

[2MuchMark]

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Make it $1,000 USD to the Free Software Foundation and I will post a breakdown of how you can obtain a MAC address from a TCP packet.

As to how to obtain YOURS RIGHT NOW, that would entail breaking the law. I don't do that shit.

And then again, once again, the context being discussed was a WEB APPLICATION AND A CLIENT.

You know, I think you really are convinced that it cannot be done. Amazing. I figured you were just being your jackass self, but it seems as though you are convinced that it cannot be done.

If $1,000 is too much, ok, make it more than $100. To the Free Software Foundation. Straight up do that and I will post a breakdown of how to accomplish this.

As to having bigger balls than me, you wish, however, I can see that you are claiming that you will put your money where your mouth is at. Fair enough. More than 100 and to the Free Software Foundation.

I await your reply.

[CouchSitter]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hahahaha oh my god you're pathetic. I've proven you wrong, and you can't even admit to it.

Anyway, here we go. I've got bigger balls than you do my friend. Ready?

MOE:

Prove to me that I am wrong by getting my MAC address, and then show step by step how you did it, right here in this thread.

If you do this, I will make a $100.00 donation to ASACP or to FSC in your name. Not only that but I will scan the check and post it here, AND give you an apology and know, in my heart, that YOU are the fucking GOD of MAC Addresses.

What do you say? Prove me wrong and I'll consider the $100.00 well spent. Wouldn't you?

I will give you until 6pm eastern time (30 minutes from now) to prove it. You're such a fucking know-it-all expert, 30 minutes should be more than enough time to obtain my MAC address and shut me the fuck up. Of course if you can't do it, we will all understand.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

Hey Mark I just got in here its nice to see you're remaining true to form with those whom disagree with you ...

Very nice work ...

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

You are already my bitch, punk.

Look inside a TCP packet. That is easy to do.

I have already made my point, you are just chattering on and on and on.

Point was and is: it is common knowledge that MAC address tracking is possible. That is how you were caught posting under another account.

How do you track it?

By looking inside a TCP packet. It's RIGHT in there! HAHAHAHAHA

All the other BS you tried to pile on to the discussion is just that. BS. Why don't companies use it? ETC ETC: IRRELEVANT to the point I made, and have proved.

That wasn't a hint, that was a direct answer. If you are not capable of understanding it, that's your problem Jack.

NOT giving you a freebie under the pretense of meeting your "challenges" or playing your little games. I could care less about that. I done know what I am talking about, whereas you are just putting on a clown show in an attempt to get out of having been caught posting under another account, which it was my intention to refute, and which I did. Plain and simple.

Anyone reading this who knows TCP/IP knows that the information I posted is accurate. And that's that. Go on, keep chattering.

[2MuchMark]

By looking inside a TCP packet. It's RIGHT in there! HAHAHAHAHA/

GOTCHA!!!!

So tell me, sir Genius,

Exact what MAC address does the TCP packet contain? The Mac address of the sender? The Mac address of the last hop? All of them? None of them?

You have just proven to EVERYONE that you don't know a fucking thing of what you're talking about.

You have failed to prove it to me, and failed to prove it to everyone else.

And I guess you don't want ASACP or FSC to have my $100.00 in your name.

I Win!

Look at my smiling face in my picture on the left. See that? That's me, Happy as shit. Don't you just wanna give me a kiss now?

Thank you and goodnight!

WOOHOO!!

Mark Prince

http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.

If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.

TCP/IP networks use both the IP addresses and MAC addresses of connected computers. A computer's assigned IP address changes over time, but the MAC address of the computer network adapter is fixed.

It is usually not possible for a person to get the MAC address of a computer from its IP address alone. These two addresses originate from different sources. Simply stated, a computer's own hardware configuration determines its MAC address while the configuration of the network it is connected to determines its IP address.

However, computers connected to the same TCP/IP local network can determine each other's MAC addresses. The technology called ARP - Address Resolution Protocol included with TCP/IP makes it possible. Using ARP, each computer maintains a list of both IP and MAC addresses for each device it has recently communicated with.

Most computers allow you to see the list of IP and MAC addresses that ARP has collected there.

In Windows, Linux and other operating systems, the command line utility "arp" shows this information. Using "arp," you can in fact determine the MAC address of some computers from their IP address. ARP works only within the small group of computers on a local area network (LAN), though, not across the Internet. ARP is intended for use by system administrators and is not generally useful as a way to track down computers and people on the Internet.

So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.

Here is 1 way to do it. If I wanted to get your Mac address, I could get you to download a program to your computer, and run it. (The MAC address is easily obtained from any program running on your machine). This program could then broadcast (via sending a message, Posting, or send an email) to me with your MAC address.

I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.

I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.

Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.

Nice try. Made me mad? I'm yawning here . . . as can be seen in my previous post.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.

I'm not here to give you lessons, Jack.

The original point was, and still is, that you denied (out of ignorance and stupidity as I mentioned above) that MAC address tracking is even possible, upon being notified by Gonzo that he had caught you posting under another account by comparing MAC addresses.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.

No one was talking about someone being connected to you in that fashion, and you know this.
The scenario being discussed was you connected to a web application that is configured to track MAC addresses. Which is how you were caught posting under an account other than the one you are using in this thread.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.

No one said that was the case . . . that's laughable.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.

Put ME on the spot? You are the one that has just showed the world that:

You are ignorant. This is basic stuff.

You are stupid. You assumed others are as ignorant as
you are.

You started talking shit on another thread under an
account other than the one you are using now, were
caught by the board owner, attempted to deny it based
on technological grounds, and don't have the balls to admit to it.

Be a man, admit it.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg

Shellee,

Quick question: I don't ever recall having PINK contracts. What are you up to anyway?

Anyway, You purchased a license to use our software. You did not purchase the use of the images of our girls or their model releases.

When you add girls to your website via our Mbase system (http://www.2much.net/mbase.html) you have the right to use their image because (a) the webmaste the girl works for is allowing it by adding her to mbase in the first place.

When that webmaster unshares that girl from mbase, or that girl quits or whatever, then you no longer have the right (nor the need) to continue to display that girls picture.

You were asked at least 3 times in 3 months to stop doing what you were doing, because it aided no one (especially not you), was disrespectful to the talent, etc. There is nothing in our contract that guarantees the use of any chat model's pictures on your website unless we sell you the rights to that image, AND you have the valid 2257 info, Model Release, etc etc.

What if the feds had knocked on your door and asked you for her 2257 info? What would you have done then?

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Here is what Shellee is talking about by the way....







Does anyone else here see anything about the rights to the use of images of any performers? I sure don't! And by the way Shellee, once again, why did you color our contract PINK? WTF?

[Dirty D]

This board is a fucking train wreck.
First Gonzo posts my real name...
Then the majority of the lemmings on here think that is just fine...
I still have not seen anyone post their first name, last name and birthdate...
Gonzo says it's cool to post personal information here especially if you can find it elsewhere on the net and copy/paste it here.

Cmon everyone and help make Oprano THE place for personal attacks and a library of personal information.

[Dirty D]

I recognize lots of people giving advice that have never earned shit online.
Not all are newbies either, many have been lurking for years and still don't earn shit.

Here is a bit of advice from someone that has been making LOTS of money online for 12 years.

This is not the place where any money is made.
Work on your business instead of posting on message boards.

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman,

Let's be clear on this. I'm not that person, period, and that the "proof" that it was me is by my Mac Address. Not only do you believe him, but you also claimed earlier that Mac Address tracking is common.

Am I a networking guru? No. I am saying that Obtaining a Mac Address via the Internet is impossible, unless an application is installed on a PC which broadcasts that mac address.

If you are not a networking expert and cannot prove me wrong, then thats ok. Whoever you are, I don't hate you for it. Please, dude, chill a sec..

... but if there is a networking expert reading this who can show me how it is done, I would REALLY like to know how. From what I have read (yes on Wiki), it is impossible. Could I be wrong? Hell yes. I'm sorry if I came off to you as a networking expert earlier - it certainly wasn't my intention to do so. I never called you ignorant or stupid and I don't see why you get to call me that. Can you at least show me a link to a place that says obtaining MAC address IS possible?

However if it is your opinion of me that I'm stupid and ignorant, then oh well. I won't say the same about you, sorry. I don't even know you. However, I must refuse any free drinks for you from me at Internext or Qwebec Expo this summer then, sorry!

(no)Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[softball]

Originally Posted by Dirty D

I recognize lots of people giving advice that have never earned shit online.
Not all are newbies either, many have been lurking for years and still don't earn shit.

Here is a bit of advice from someone that has been making LOTS of money online for 12 years.

This is not the place where any money is made.
Work on your business instead of posting on message boards.

Dude, you may be rich. Or you may not. There is a dealership down the street from me that sells that lotus you post as a big deal and they are about 60K or so....the price of a useful volvo. You posted a picture of a motorcycle...no idea how much that cost but I am sure it is not a lot. You live in a hood that 500K buys you a house. I live in a three bedroom apartment that doubles that. So I have no idea how much you make. You say....and that is just your call...that you give away a million bucks a year. I am sure that is not verified by KPMG.
But here is the deal. We have a mutual friend who speaks very highly of you....I believe you performed the ceremony in Costa Rica. But that in no way means you are as stinking rich as you post. What you do for the traffic rats is one thing. We are not that interested. You have no idea if money is made here or not. Like I said earlier, I have tons of respect for what you do. You may or may not be able to afford that little Lotus. But that is not the point. It should have occurred to you some time ago, that you are posting with your peers and to lighten up. BTW, I have earned shit online for a couple of years, so I have a inkling of what I am saying here. I hope we meet someday and this is just a memory because I think you are winding yourself up about nothing. You had a perfectly plausible response to the legal issue. I think most believed you. I did.