Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Well - I called Michael Plante when you made the request since he was the web designer and he said he talked to you - So, you need to take this up with him.

Additionally I responded to you via email that since I paid YOU for custom web design as well as paid Michael you really had the responsiblity to remove the image if it should not be there per our contract. Would you like me to post our contract?

Wow - you don't read at all, do you? Let me type this out more slowly for you.

You HAD the right to use the images, until:

- You No Longer had the right to use those images. Alexxia asked you nicely to remove the pictures, and you ignored her.

- The images were useless since Alexxia no longer wanted to appear on your site (and you were therefore promoting someone who would never chat on your site again).

At first I told you that you should remove the images, since they were now useless. How can you make money promoting a girl who no longer exists on your website?

Then I told you that you REALLY should remove the images, because people clicking through to chat portions of your site looking for Alexxia were not finding her, and leaving, costing you business, traffic and bandwidth.

Then I told you once again that Alexxia who was pretty mad at you already, was now pissed because her images were still on your site.

I then told you to give me an image of ANY other girl that was working for you, or any image that you owned, and that I would replace Alexxias pictures for you, Free of charge.

I asked you this several times Shellee, but you brushed off the requests again and again. Professional, thats you alright.

m

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wow - you don't read at all, do you? Let me type this out more slowly for you.

You HAD the right to use the images, until:

- You No Longer had the right to use those images. Alexxia asked you nicely to remove the pictures, and you ignored her.

- The images were useless since Alexxia no longer wanted to appear on your site (and you were therefore promoting someone who would never chat on your site again).

At first I told you that you should remove the images, since they were now useless. How can you make money promoting a girl who no longer exists on your website?

Then I told you that you REALLY should remove the images, because people clicking through to chat portions of your site looking for Alexxia were not finding her, and leaving, costing you business, traffic and bandwidth.

Then I told you once again that Alexxia who was pretty mad at you already, was now pissed because her images were still on your site.

I then told you to give me an image of ANY other girl that was working for you, or any image that you owned, and that I would replace Alexxias pictures for you, Free of charge.

I asked you this several times Shellee, but you brushed off the requests again and again. Professional, thats you alright.

m

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot.

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future. Even better I will post a huge-assed apology to you for doubting you, and then french-kiss Media guy because Hey - he's one sexy, sexy man.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Moetheman,

As anyone will tell you, I like to learn.

Will you sir, please, PLEASE tell me how you can get my Mac Address? Even better, can you please post my MAC Address right here, right now?

I am looking at my mac address right now. Please prove to me (and everyone else here) that (a) you know what you're talking about, and (b) that a Mac address is obtainable.

I will even give you a head start. My IP address is 205.150.5.126.

If you can obtain my mac address I will be completely impressed, and shut the hell up about Mac addresses in the future.

3...2...1.... BEGIN!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Ridiculous response, and a pathetic attempt at drawing attention away from the points I raised, which were - in case you still did not get them - that you are awful ignorant (for not knowing something as elementary as that, and resorting to Wikipedia for a reference LOL) and idiotic (for concluding that others are as ignorant as you are when denying that Gonzo caught you posting under another user account) to be calling someone a fucking idiot.

You are pathetic kid, you obviously are not even capable of seeing that you are digging your own grave business wise with all this being verbally abusive and disrespectful toward a woman, who is a FORMER CLIENT of yours . . . it's almost painful to watch you do it . . . you really do think that others cannot see right through you, you really do . . . amazing.

(YAWN)

Get your MAC address so I can impress an ignoramus such as yourself? PLEASE MAN. Quit humiliating yourself . . .

(YAWN)

Now go on, keep talking more shit, while attempting to avoid the points I brought up, go on, you are awful predictable you know . . .

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

Yall really need to quit talking about that plug in while your ahead.
Youve assumed way to much about what Ive told you.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

I think Mark pretty much clearly explained how Oprano's plug in can't have read his MAC address unless he'd downloaded something that broadcast it back.

Mark also admitted he may be wrong, that if anyone with bigger brains about networking were reading to pipe in.

Your other statements are just plain stupid.

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

HAHAHAHAHA

There goes the sidekick . . . how pathetic.

Read what I posted.

You are both my bitches now.

LOL

Um, Moe.. (can I call you Moe?)

I have already said I'm not an expert. I already asked you to prove me wrong. I already told you that I will apologize if I am wrong.

Now you can even make me your BITCH if I am wrong.

But you can't.

It's you that looks like a complete fool here.

Tell you what. I'll give you another 15 minutes to prove ANYTHING of what you have said, or take me up on ANY of my SIMPLE challenges to obtain ANY MAC address.

IF you can't do it by 5:30pm eastern time (15 minutes from now), then we'll know you're just talkin' shit.

Ok? Ok.

m

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg

[2MuchMark]

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.

If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.

TCP/IP networks use both the IP addresses and MAC addresses of connected computers. A computer's assigned IP address changes over time, but the MAC address of the computer network adapter is fixed.

It is usually not possible for a person to get the MAC address of a computer from its IP address alone. These two addresses originate from different sources. Simply stated, a computer's own hardware configuration determines its MAC address while the configuration of the network it is connected to determines its IP address.

However, computers connected to the same TCP/IP local network can determine each other's MAC addresses. The technology called ARP - Address Resolution Protocol included with TCP/IP makes it possible. Using ARP, each computer maintains a list of both IP and MAC addresses for each device it has recently communicated with.

Most computers allow you to see the list of IP and MAC addresses that ARP has collected there.

In Windows, Linux and other operating systems, the command line utility "arp" shows this information. Using "arp," you can in fact determine the MAC address of some computers from their IP address. ARP works only within the small group of computers on a local area network (LAN), though, not across the Internet. ARP is intended for use by system administrators and is not generally useful as a way to track down computers and people on the Internet.

So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.

Here is 1 way to do it. If I wanted to get your Mac address, I could get you to download a program to your computer, and run it. (The MAC address is easily obtained from any program running on your machine). This program could then broadcast (via sending a message, Posting, or send an email) to me with your MAC address.

I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.

I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.

Cheers!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moetheman:

Sorry dude, but look. You are the one saying that MAC ADDRESS tracking is all over the place. I am only asking you how you know that? I am asking you to prove it? There's no reason to be hostile. If I've made you mad, I'm sorry.

Nice try. Made me mad? I'm yawning here . . . as can be seen in my previous post.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

If you can get anyone's MAC address over the Internet, how can you do it?

I really don't think that you can do this. No reason to get mad at me.

I'm not here to give you lessons, Jack.

The original point was, and still is, that you denied (out of ignorance and stupidity as I mentioned above) that MAC address tracking is even possible, upon being notified by Gonzo that he had caught you posting under another account by comparing MAC addresses.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

So then, I repeat the question. Please tell me how you, a person connected to me only via Internet (WAN), can obtain my MAC address when it is only available to other machines inside my local area network.

No one was talking about someone being connected to you in that fashion, and you know this.
The scenario being discussed was you connected to a web application that is configured to track MAC addresses. Which is how you were caught posting under an account other than the one you are using in this thread.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I however, could not sit here, and run a magic program, enter your IP address, and grab your Mac address. I'm sorry, but AS FAR AS I KNOW BECAUSE I AM NO NETWORK EXPERT HERE, I do not THINK that this cannot be done.

No one said that was the case . . . that's laughable.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I am not trying to put you on the spot dude, I'm sorry. I am just asking you (or anyone) to show me how to get a Mac address of any machine on the Internet.

Put ME on the spot? You are the one that has just showed the world that:

You are ignorant. This is basic stuff.

You are stupid. You assumed others are as ignorant as
you are.

You started talking shit on another thread under an
account other than the one you are using now, were
caught by the board owner, attempted to deny it based
on technological grounds, and don't have the balls to admit to it.

Be a man, admit it.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg

Shellee,

Quick question: I don't ever recall having PINK contracts. What are you up to anyway?

Anyway, You purchased a license to use our software. You did not purchase the use of the images of our girls or their model releases.

When you add girls to your website via our Mbase system (http://www.2much.net/mbase.html) you have the right to use their image because (a) the webmaste the girl works for is allowing it by adding her to mbase in the first place.

When that webmaster unshares that girl from mbase, or that girl quits or whatever, then you no longer have the right (nor the need) to continue to display that girls picture.

You were asked at least 3 times in 3 months to stop doing what you were doing, because it aided no one (especially not you), was disrespectful to the talent, etc. There is nothing in our contract that guarantees the use of any chat model's pictures on your website unless we sell you the rights to that image, AND you have the valid 2257 info, Model Release, etc etc.

What if the feds had knocked on your door and asked you for her 2257 info? What would you have done then?

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[2MuchMark]

Here is what Shellee is talking about by the way....







Does anyone else here see anything about the rights to the use of images of any performers? I sure don't! And by the way Shellee, once again, why did you color our contract PINK? WTF?

[Dirty D]

This board is a fucking train wreck.
First Gonzo posts my real name...
Then the majority of the lemmings on here think that is just fine...
I still have not seen anyone post their first name, last name and birthdate...
Gonzo says it's cool to post personal information here especially if you can find it elsewhere on the net and copy/paste it here.

Cmon everyone and help make Oprano THE place for personal attacks and a library of personal information.