Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Um, its spelled FUCK off....

Michel used images of Alexxia when she was chatting. When the girls stop chatting, we remove their images. I told you in September 07 that Alexxia was (a) gone, and (b) did not want you to use her images anynore since she did not want to appear on your website (and soon after, Kedra also said she no longer wanted to appear on your website).

Then in October I asked you again to remove the images, twice! And each time, you refused.

Did you have the model release of Alexxia? No. Did you have her permission to show her images after she left your site? No. Did you have our permission to use her images? No. Unless you have PROOF to the contrary, you have once again shown that you don't know sweet fuck all about anything.

m

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.

Did I say he used it in error? No. Did he have permission to use the image? Yes. I am talking about the 3 times I asked you to remove her images because (a) the license to use the image expired, and (b) she didn't want you to use her image, and (c) because you had not paid for the image or had documentation proving your ownership of the image. Geezuz!

Shellee, Besides any rights to images,legal, whatever, its just common curtosy. If someone asks you to please stop displaying an image on your site, even if you "own" the image, you just stop. Why? Because no one is out to fuck anyone out of anything, especially a model. Everyone in adult depends on the chat models to help make them money. You're decision to use a girls' images when everyone involved was asking you to stop, is just another example of who the real Shellee Hale is.

[Toby]

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Toby

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more

More beer here. Toby, would you like one?

m

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by Toby

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more

Me too... i don't use the microwave stuff so I had to switch to beer...

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Dayyyyummm, had to go get more

I kinda feel like Serge Oprano here, I just had a nice Cahors big fat red and this is a most interesting thread. However, someone that has been in the business less than a year, with this much bravado is breath taking. Shellee, you should be listening, not talking. I don't know Mark, but I do know most of the others here, and apart from maybe Rcourt, you have the least experience of anyone. You don't even have the experience to understand that you don't have the experience and Mark is chewing you up and spitting you out and you don't even know it. This is kinda like david and goliath, but you don't have any rocks to throw. You need to learn a little humility girl. But that is just my humble opinion and I have only been doing this for a short while.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Did I say he used it in error? No. Did he have permission to use the image? Yes. I am talking about the 3 times I asked you to remove her images because (a) the license to use the image expired, and (b) she didn't want you to use her image, and (c) because you had not paid for the image or had documentation proving your ownership of the image. Geezuz!

Shellee, Besides any rights to images,legal, whatever, its just common curtosy. If someone asks you to please stop displaying an image on your site, even if you "own" the image, you just stop. Why? Because no one is out to fuck anyone out of anything, especially a model. Everyone in adult depends on the chat models to help make them money. You're decision to use a girls' images when everyone involved was asking you to stop, is just another example of who the real Shellee Hale is.

Well - I called Michael Plante when you made the request since he was the web designer and he said he talked to you - So, you need to take this up with him.

Additionally I responded to you via email that since I paid YOU for custom web design as well as paid Michael you really had the responsiblity to remove the image if it should not be there per our contract. Would you like me to post our contract?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Well - I called Michael Plante when you made the request since he was the web designer and he said he talked to you - So, you need to take this up with him.

Additionally I responded to you via email that since I paid YOU for custom web design as well as paid Michael you really had the responsiblity to remove the image if it should not be there per our contract. Would you like me to post our contract?

Wow - you don't read at all, do you? Let me type this out more slowly for you.

You HAD the right to use the images, until:

- You No Longer had the right to use those images. Alexxia asked you nicely to remove the pictures, and you ignored her.

- The images were useless since Alexxia no longer wanted to appear on your site (and you were therefore promoting someone who would never chat on your site again).

At first I told you that you should remove the images, since they were now useless. How can you make money promoting a girl who no longer exists on your website?

Then I told you that you REALLY should remove the images, because people clicking through to chat portions of your site looking for Alexxia were not finding her, and leaving, costing you business, traffic and bandwidth.

Then I told you once again that Alexxia who was pretty mad at you already, was now pissed because her images were still on your site.

I then told you to give me an image of ANY other girl that was working for you, or any image that you owned, and that I would replace Alexxias pictures for you, Free of charge.

I asked you this several times Shellee, but you brushed off the requests again and again. Professional, thats you alright.

m

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wow - you don't read at all, do you? Let me type this out more slowly for you.

You HAD the right to use the images, until:

- You No Longer had the right to use those images. Alexxia asked you nicely to remove the pictures, and you ignored her.

- The images were useless since Alexxia no longer wanted to appear on your site (and you were therefore promoting someone who would never chat on your site again).

At first I told you that you should remove the images, since they were now useless. How can you make money promoting a girl who no longer exists on your website?

Then I told you that you REALLY should remove the images, because people clicking through to chat portions of your site looking for Alexxia were not finding her, and leaving, costing you business, traffic and bandwidth.

Then I told you once again that Alexxia who was pretty mad at you already, was now pissed because her images were still on your site.

I then told you to give me an image of ANY other girl that was working for you, or any image that you owned, and that I would replace Alexxias pictures for you, Free of charge.

I asked you this several times Shellee, but you brushed off the requests again and again. Professional, thats you alright.

m

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Mark produce this request or I will share the real emails.

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot.

Calling her an idiot when you don't even know that MAC address tracking is common? When you get your info from Wikipedia articles? When you expect others to do the same?

Please. You are obviously as idiotic and ignorant as people GET.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't threaten me you fucking idiot. If you're going to post the email then be my guest, just be damn sure you post ALL of them. And don't forget to post the several phones call to you too asking for the same thing.

Ok well then why was this my fault or responsibility when I had paid you for Website Support Services as well as for Custom Web Design for a full year in our contract... Why do you not have the releases for these girls images that you used? REFUND my money for designing with stolen content or unauthorized images. You can see page 4 of 20 of our contract here http://www.esenterprises.com/2much-contract.jpg

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Please contact Michael Plante for any issues you have with stolen content or images or documentation he should or should not have to do the design work and use images - He is a professional web designer that you recommended and introduced to me; so I would not have expected he would make this kind of an error.

You can lie to our faces all you want but don't try to insinuate Michel did anything wrong.

A designer designs your site, after which you are responsible for it - you own the work. Michel was never your webmaster, you ran your own site supposedly, so you're responsible to maintain and update it.

If you didn't know how to remove the images, you could have asked me.

As you said, Michel is a profesional and one of the most ethical people I've met. You can see at http://www.3xwebdesign.com/ he's all booked up and not taking on new jobs for a while. There's a reason for that and it's not because of what you tried to smear him with in your post.

[DannyCox]

Okay, finally went through all four pages of this, and it was interesting in a convoluted way.

I do have a question though....how do you track someone's MAC Address?? A couple of people alluded to it being quite easy with readily available tools, but I sure can't find anything. The most I found was a tool that will return a MAC Address from the main router on a network, but nothing deeper. Doing a quick Google search, I came across Geek boards where people asked this question, and the response was "You can't, unless someone is purposely and actively broadcasting it".

So, please let me know how. I'm just curious as to how this can be done. I have a feeling I won't be getting a response.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Okay, finally went through all four pages of this, and it was interesting in a convoluted way.

I do have a question though....how do you track someone's MAC Address?? A couple of people alluded to it being quite easy with readily available tools, but I sure can't find anything. The most I found was a tool that will return a MAC Address from the main router on a network, but nothing deeper. Doing a quick Google search, I came across Geek boards where people asked this question, and the response was "You can't, unless someone is purposely and actively broadcasting it".

So, please let me know how. I'm just curious as to how this can be done. I have a feeling I won't be getting a response.

Hi Danny,

That has been my question all along. I *THINK* it's impossible. According to my 2 network guru's, its impossible. I can't find anything about it on Google, and in my post earlier, I found out that MAC Addresses is simply not a part of the TCP/IP Layer.

I also posted my IP Address in a previous thread, and asked Moetheman to grab my MAC Address from it. So far, no response.

Anyway, all BS aside here, I would really really like to know if this is possible. If so, it would help us to make our credit card fraud detection system (http://www.2much.net/fraud-detection.html) even better than it already is. If we could block users by MAC Addresses, we could illiminate CC fraud altogether!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

You can lie to our faces all you want but don't try to insinuate Michel did anything wrong.

A designer designs your site, after which you are responsible for it - you own the work. Michel was never your webmaster, you ran your own site supposedly, so you're responsible to maintain and update it.

If you didn't know how to remove the images, you could have asked me.

As you said, Michel is a profesional and one of the most ethical people I've met. You can see at http://www.3xwebdesign.com/ he's all booked up and not taking on new jobs for a while. There's a reason for that and it's not because of what you tried to smear him with in your post.

Please refer to our contract I paid 2much.net to maintain and update the website. Why would I need to call you if you were calling me to do something that was your responsibility. If you did not have permission to use photos or if permission changed - you had a fiduciary duty to me for services paid for you should have been doing YOUR JOB.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Please refer to our contract I paid 2much.net to maintain and update the website. Why would I need to call you if you were calling me to do something that was your responsibility. If you did not have permission to use photos or if permission changed - you had a fiduciary duty to me for services paid for you should have been doing YOUR JOB.

Hi Shellee!! How are you darling? Did you have fun yesterday? I sure did!

Anyway, Here goes.

Shellee:
When we made your original website, we offered you webmaster services. Then when you went to Mr. Plante, he became your new webmaster. Michel has all of the PSD (Layer) files for all of your graphics so he could make any changes you asked him to do.

What I bet happened is that you asked him for changes later and he told you he had to charge you for those changes, but you didn't want to pay him for his work.

Finally, if you look back at my older posts here SWEETHEART, you will see that not only did I ask you many times to remove the pictures, but in the end we offered to do the work FOR YOU, FOR FREE. All we needed was ANY other picture of ANY other chat model you had. You never provided us with one. (I guess that fat fuck of the On-Cam Big-Mac Eating Florida Prostitute you had stealing from you and jeopardizing your business was not someone you wanted to have on the front page of your website. Can't say I blame you.


Mark "How about a hug? Ah Camaaann??" Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Shellee!! How are you darling? Did you have fun yesterday? I sure did!

Anyway, Here goes.

Shellee:
When we made your original website, we offered you webmaster services. Then when you went to Mr. Plante, he became your new webmaster. Michel has all of the PSD (Layer) files for all of your graphics so he could make any changes you asked him to do.

What I bet happened is that you asked him for changes later and he told you he had to charge you for those changes, but you didn't want to pay him for his work.

Finally, if you look back at my older posts here SWEETHEART, you will see that not only did I ask you many times to remove the pictures, but in the end we offered to do the work FOR YOU, FOR FREE. All we needed was ANY other picture of ANY other chat model you had. You never provided us with one. (I guess that fat fuck of the On-Cam Big-Mac Eating Florida Prostitute you had stealing from you and jeopardizing your business was not someone you wanted to have on the front page of your website. Can't say I blame you.


Mark "How about a hug? Ah Camaaann??" Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Our contract speaks for itself. You are welcome to ask Michael Plant if you are correct in this assumption but I am sure he will tell you that your not. You were paid to do this service period and Michale Plante was used at your suggestion.

But isn't it pointless as I don't even do business or support your platform in any way shape or form. I think you are losing the point it was a complete waste of my time and money to work with you and nothing ever got accomplished.

I was completely disatisfied with 2much.net and you Mark Prince why would I continue to work on something destined to fail. Once again you have a huge failure rate with customers you have sold licenses not just me.

Here are a few

www.bkslive.com
www.primalsecrets.com
www.xxxstrippercams.com
www.southerngirlslive.com
www.icutoocams.com
www.orgasmwebkams.com
www.girlsgonecam.com
www.assworshippers.com
www.sexyteaser.com
www.sexyteaserguys.com
www.euroticalive.com
www.livemodelnetwork.com
www.365livecam.com

Right now you have one girl online and no one in paid chat - so why don't you go back to work.

[2MuchMark]

Shellee -

You forgot 2 important names in that list:

http://www.SexyTeaser.com: FAILURE
http://www.SexyTeaserGuys.com: FAILURE.

Its not the software that failed, Shellee, it is YOU.

LiveCamNetwork is at its most basic, A video streaming program, and an accounting program. It's is not a "get rich quick" scheme (as we even point out in our FAQ). All it does is stream video, and count money.

It can only make money for you Shellee if you:
- Know your market
- Know your content
- Know how to run a business
- Work hard, hard, very hard.

You failed on all of the above Shellee, and I will prove it to you and everyone else, right now.

One of your FAILED sites was SexyTeaserGuys.com.

The site's promise by way of teaser pictures, tour, sales pages etc, promised customers the chance to chat with Young, muscular men.

Here, everyone, is the kind of Young, Muscular Men that Shelle ACTUALLY had on her website, SexyTeaserGuys.com



And you Shellee, had the fucking nerve to complain to me that you weren't making any money. You are one fucking piece of work.

I don't know what you might call the type of actual content that you offered your customers, Shellee, but it is a safe bet to say that NONE of the "models" you listed above fit into the Young Muscular Male Niche. We tried to tell you this an endless amount of times to choose your chat models carefully. But no, you the fucking expert blew us off. Anyone can see that the guys above were a poor fit to your website.


Now take a look at this:


The above are all girls that work for LiveCamNetwork.com. (And, all of them will be online and chatting tonight for anyone who's interested in saying Hello). When we advertise, we go only for the COLLEGE GIRL traffic, and hire only COLLEGE GIRLS to chat for us (with only the rare exception).

In addition, we insist that all of the girls that work for us, talk to our customers by voice. Each girl Looks at the camera, addresses each customer by name, and is pro-active in getting them to talk. The girls (and guys) you hired did NONE OF THAT except eat Big Macs and whore themselves out to strangers on your website and demand payment by paypal instead of your own CCBill account. I don't know what your guys did but I know they didn't convert at all.

This SIMPLE business model is fairly easy for anyone to understand Shellee. When we sell our LiveCamNetwork system, we tell all of our customers Exactly how we make money and offer to help everyone to do the same, FOR FREE. If you weren't so busy telling us about your expertise, you might have learned to offer quality streams to your customers, and you might have actually made a few bucks.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

I was completely disatisfied with 2much.net and you Mark Prince why would I continue to work on something destined to fail. Once again you have a huge failure rate with customers you have sold licenses not just me.

Here are a few

www.bkslive.com
www.primalsecrets.com
www.xxxstrippercams.com
www.southerngirlslive.com
www.icutoocams.com
www.orgasmwebkams.com
www.girlsgonecam.com
www.assworshippers.com
www.sexyteaser.com
www.sexyteaserguys.com
www.euroticalive.com
www.livemodelnetwork.com
www.365livecam.com

Right now you have one girl online and no one in paid chat - so why don't you go back to work.

I think that deservers more emphasis so you all can understand why Mark is so furious.

Here let me add a few

www.livehotcamz.com
www.cambabez.com
www.easycyberdate.com
www.livemuscleshow.com
www.livesexydolls.com
www.livebabes.com

So were all these webmasters and clients of 2much.net as bad as me. Do you just have the best luck picking people who will fail on 2Much.net's platform.

I came to you to do a coaching site - completely non-adult. I went in this direction for reasons and my success and failure should not quite be measured in the first 9 months...

Let's look at your site 9 months later....
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://livecamnetwork.com

Boy 10 years at this and you only got 1 girl online.. Maybe you should be out recruiting. at least I had some talent wanting to work on a new site in a saturated market muscles or not.

[Mediaguy]

Shellee, I just remembered what this thread was about...

Are you going to hijack every thread me or Mark post in and turn it into your little 2much target range?

It's getting tiresome, really, and DirtyD made some good points that all your tepid ass-water is just obfuscating...

People should have the right to not have their real names associated with the business if that's what they want. It doesn't mean they have anything to hide.

You live in a very different world than a great majority of people Shellee, and you know it, since you're down the road from Ted Turner or Sweet Jesus or whoever.

Most of us unfortunately live in a world where the good christians in our communities will come pour diesel fuel in your jacuzzi (happened to a friend of mine) if they discover that you produce what they consume (on the sly most probably).

I'm Gregory Martin Morgan Fucking Jones and I live at 5365 Berri in Montreal, Quebec (H2J 2S7) Canada, born August 17th 1966 and I'm in a position not to care about being associated with adult (though who knows I may regret it in the future).

But I don't live in your world and never will no matter how much money I make because it's really not a question of money, that world of yours, is it?

Some people aren't so lucky, and those of us who are should respect that.

[gonzo]

Damn I was hoping for another piece of wisdom from Wikipedia.

How many girls and customers are online now?