Vivid says no to porn

[gonzo]

no disrespect but I'm sitting in my accountants office showing him various parts of my business and he wanted to read this thread.

david asked me how long you've been doing this.

I had to tell him you might have lost touch with the challenges that face adult site owners these days.

with traffic now being the magic bulletin for success everyone including microsoft is in hot persuit.

imho steve hirsch is suffering from tunnel vision and looking to find a scapegoat for the decrease in dvd sales.

vivid aint at the center of the porn universe no mo.

[pornlaw]

Dismissing things like filtering all together cause you assume it's gonna be draconian does the industry no favors.

Assuming that exposure to sexual explicit images turns kids into sex maniacs and dysfunctional members of society is also somewhat draconian.

As an undergrad, I was a psyche and criminal justice double major, I researched and wrote a 185 page thesis page on the developmental occurrences in the childhood of 5 serial killers.

The mere exposure to sex was not a factor in developmental problems. What was -- watching their mothers - get sexually abused and used was.

Children have through-out time been exposed to sex and society has survived. For the most part many early homes/tee-pees/cave dwellings were 1 room dwellings. And being one room dwellings kids were exposed to their parents and other adults having sex. And we survived.

Granted Im not sure what exposure to violent pornography will do to a child and there are no studies on such, but seeing naked bodies and naked bodies in passionate embraces doesnt result in a breakdown in societal norms, customs and laws.

I say that with filtering will come censorship. Filters are not perfect. They catch all kinds of info - like teaching kids to wear condoms to avoid STDs if they are going to have sex. Perhaps a topic they might feel a little funny discussing with their moms and prefer to search Google for.

Michael

http://www.AdultBizLaw.com

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Assuming that exposure to sexual explicit images turns kids into sex maniacs and dysfunctional members of society is also somewhat draconian.

As an undergrad, I was a psyche and criminal justice double major, I researched and wrote a 185 page thesis page on the developmental occurrences in the childhood of 5 serial killers.

The mere exposure to sex was not a factor in developmental problems. What was -- watching their mothers - get sexually abused and used was.

Children have through-out time been exposed to sex and society has survived. For the most part many early homes/tee-pees/cave dwellings were 1 room dwellings. And being one room dwellings kids were exposed to their parents and other adults having sex. And we survived.

Granted Im not sure what exposure to violent pornography will do to a child and there are no studies on such, but seeing naked bodies and naked bodies in passionate embraces doesnt result in a breakdown in societal norms, customs and laws.

I say that with filtering will come censorship. Filters are not perfect. They catch all kinds of info - like teaching kids to wear condoms to avoid STDs if they are going to have sex. Perhaps a topic they might feel a little funny discussing with their moms and prefer to search Google for.

Michael

http://www.AdultBizLaw.com

Here's your problem. NO ONE CARES about those studies. You can cite them until you are blue in the face from talking so much the vast majority of parents and politicians will ignore it. Hell there are people in thi industry that think the more extreme stuff like gagging, puking, etc. does this busines more harm than good so how do you think that politicians and parents are gonna feel about that? A site that is nothing but solo girls or girl girl action is viewed no different by most politicians and parents than a site with cumshots, double penetrations, etc. etc. It's porn and while some may be more extreme than others to them it's all still porn.

So, why not actually work with politicans and parents and come up with something that, unlike adult stores and bars, places the burden on the parents to keep their kids out but is also effective and that every parent can use? NO ONE is telling you that you can't publish the material at all. Just that you would be cooperating with keeping porn out of kids hands.

[pornlaw]

So, why not actually work with politicans and parents and come up with something that, unlike adult stores and bars, places the burden on the parents to keep their kids out but is also effective and that every parent can use? NO ONE is telling you that you can't publish the material at all. Just that you would be cooperating with keeping porn out of kids hands.

I just dont think you get it. Those politicians and parents DONT want to work with us. I have lobbied on the behalf of the industry for the past several years. Some politicians think what we do needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. But they cant get that accomplished because of a little document called the Constitution and a little clause in it called the First Amendment.

So what they cant do through legislation and criminal prosecution, they will try though filtering and regulation. Right now the government is trying to enforce the use of condoms, goggles and dental dams on set. Seems reasonable, lets keep the performers "safe" right ???

Those that want you to give up your rights will always use a safety first approach -- please see The Patriot Act.

Michael

www.AdultBizLaw.com

[TheEnforcer]

Of course there are politicians that want to wipe the indutry out completely but I have little doubt that there are some that, if they saw a solution that could work for parents, say soemthign similar to the movie and game rating system that allows parents to block porn on their kids computers some politician out there would listen and try and push it if it actually worked. Politicians like "wins' on issues they can tout to their constuituents and somethign that actually allowed parents to be able to block porn from their kids computers and required the industry to go along and cooperate.. well that's publicity that some politician out there would scoop right up. Am I saying it would be easy? Hell no, butjust dismising the effort out of hand and having an attitude that is confrontational all the time certainly doesn't help the cause.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

no disrespect but I'm sitting in my accountants office showing him various parts of my business and he wanted to read this thread.

david asked me how long you've been doing this.

I had to tell him you might have lost touch with the challenges that face adult site owners these days.

with traffic now being the magic bulletin for success everyone including microsoft is in hot persuit.

imho steve hirsch is suffering from tunnel vision and looking to find a scapegoat for the decrease in dvd sales.

vivid aint at the center of the porn universe no mo.

Never said it was. The attitude that garnering as much traffic as you can and who cares if you keep minors out, which is exactly what I see here in this thread, is exactly the type of mentality that gives politicians even more ammo to use against the indutry.

Traffic that consists of minors is not profitable nor desireable. You lose NOTHING by keeping minors out and an END USER filter ONLY keeps away the minors and people that weren't going to come to the site anywyas o you lose NOTHING!