How will the recession effect our industry?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

How do you adapt to a site full of 15 min+ scenes for free that's just a click away?
People forget 60% percent of the video experience is sound. Thats why youtube does so well, the picture may suck but the sound is good. Same with adult tubes. The thing that may bring the house of cards down is the goldman suit. Ron Goldman's father owns the rights to the OJ book, BT's have been giving it away freely. They are suing the advertisers not the BT who are offshore. His lawyer said they want to give away they can do it from the poor house. They win, it sets precedent our industry can run with that.
Let me share with you my prediction of the future of the industry if everyone goes tube crazy.
Governments will start banning online porn to protect the children. Now you will say there's a shitload out there now for free. Yes there is but to the non tech savy its not a clear picture but a tube site full of full scenes is a very clear picture to the nontech savy. Have some prime minister or senator click and see anal fisting for free.
The problem with this industry is its very short sighted and if my prediction goes down the industry will have the balls to say, why are they picking on us? lol

I have a slightly different prediction.

Government intervention is a perpetual threat. I'm old enough and have been doing this long enough that it first started for me with Meese. Problem is the governments cant react quickly enough. And with the internet, it'll be just like gambling, even if clearly against current laws, you've got offshoring to fight.

My prediction?

Sponsors will turn more to generating their own traffic, being very selective about affiliates they accept, and it'll start to turn the landscape on it's ear a bit. Shrinking margins mean little room to support a needy affiliate who sends 2 sales a month. I see a lot of people having to go get more traditional jobs.

What does that mean for tubes? Everyone I know of in the adult arena that isn't already owned by one of the big companies is for sale. I see sponsors buying them up, cleaning them up and using them for a traffic source.

[RawAlex]

Hell Puppy, everyone said the same things about TGPS about a year after they were launched. It is true that many of the bigger TGPs have been bought out and merged, but it would appear than many of them now are making their money selling spots for listings and not by being great traffic generators.

The other thing is the effects of tube sites. Many people running these tube sites have come to realize that they are a VERY marginal business, with huge bandwidth, maintenance, and potential legal expenses, with somewhat limited income potential, often becasue they have given away so much content that the surfers just don't buy porn. When you see tube sites getting sold, it is because the business model is tough and not working in many cases, not because of their big net incomes.

Unlike mainstream, there isn't as much money in porn sites getting millions of unpaying visitors. There just isn't enough people in porn stupid enough to pay mill rate to be on a pornsite, everything in porn is tuned to production and results. There are very, very few tube sites out there showing that they can actually make decent ROI right now, and that is what is keeping them from being as attractive to the programs.

Tube sites have proven they can get traffic, but they have not proven they can make money. Traffic stats are only there for the owner to masturbate over. Money makes the world go around.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I have a slightly different prediction.

Government intervention is a perpetual threat. I'm old enough and have been doing this long enough that it first started for me with Meese. Problem is the governments cant react quickly enough. And with the internet, it'll be just like gambling, even if clearly against current laws, you've got offshoring to fight.

My prediction?

Sponsors will turn more to generating their own traffic, being very selective about affiliates they accept, and it'll start to turn the landscape on it's ear a bit. Shrinking margins mean little room to support a needy affiliate who sends 2 sales a month. I see a lot of people having to go get more traditional jobs.

What does that mean for tubes? Everyone I know of in the adult arena that isn't already owned by one of the big companies is for sale. I see sponsors buying them up, cleaning them up and using them for a traffic source.

I wasnt clear, Im not thinking of just America, Im thinking of other governments. Germany wants age verification and if your wind up in their sights now, you get a letter and your lawyer recommends not to go visit there. Australia is trying to filter it out. Im thinking places you would never imagine saying no more.Besides being banned if its also filtered out, doesnt matter where you go, your done pretty much online.
BT's, news groups, tgp's,etc a ton of free porn but doesnt send a message to the nontech savvy as a tube site.

[tony404]

On another board they are talking about tubes and here is something to ponder
"I'm staring at 14k hits from the biggest one with 0 signups.

Those are hits to a usually very nicely converting adult site.

The traffic going to other things does ok.

Take from that what you will."

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

On another board they are talking about tubes and here is something to ponder
"I'm staring at 14k hits from the biggest one with 0 signups.

Those are hits to a usually very nicely converting adult site.

The traffic going to other things does ok.

Take from that what you will."

No different than sending traffic from google's adwords program to someone elses revshare program. You will break even at best if you are only getting 50%.

PPS isnt even worth the time.

And breaking even is over the longhaul.

Tube sites are no different. Youd better have something your getting paid 100% of recurs to make any money.

If you look at it month to month your right. Both are a huge loss.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by gonzo

No different than sending traffic from google's adwords program to someone elses revshare program. You will break even at best if you are only getting 50%.

PPS isnt even worth the time.

And breaking even is over the longhaul.

Tube sites are no different. Youd better have something your getting paid 100% of recurs to make any money.

If you look at it month to month your right. Both are a huge loss.

Anyone bought a spot on The Hun or any other big TGP lately and wanna share those numbers?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Anyone bought a spot on The Hun or any other big TGP lately and wanna share those numbers?

KevinG was telling me about a Hun story in Vegas.

[KevinG]

Originally Posted by gonzo

KevinG was telling me about a Hun story in Vegas.

Here's the scoop on that.

As you know, Joanna Angel is one of my top clients and I work on her solo girl site and other sites she owns as an independent contractor.

She also has an office with employees on staff.

While I do spend some resources promoting with free sites with fair results, I have written off TGPs a long time ago.

However, one of the employees was successful at getting a gallery placed on The Hun.

In 2 days we got 175,000 unique visitors from The Hun.

Anyone want to guess how many sign-ups we got?

(Gonzo -don't answer.)