Cybernet Expo 2008 San Francisco Launches

[TheEnforcer]

I can't wait for this show. My parents have raved about what a great city San Francisco is and I'm definitely looking forward to checking it out.

[LAJ]

Well SF def. has something for everyone. No other city in the US even remotely like it.

Glad you are making the trek out!

[JenniDahling]

I'm so there.

[DannyCox]

I think we'll make this one. SF is a great city that I haven't been to in close to 20 years. Carol has never been and I know she'd love it.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I think we'll make this one. SF is a great city that I haven't been to in close to 20 years. Carol has never been and I know she'd love it.

Danny maybe you can help me convince jay to have an amateur roundtable session?

[DannyCox]

I'm not sure how well that would work these days. We used to put on Amateur Seminars, first on our own, and then working with Homegrown. Farrell and I used to head up the roundtable and get discussions going, which were quite good.

The first one we did was here in Montreal in 1999 at the CybernetExpo show, and we had the "who's who" of the Amateur world at that one, plus all sorts of very new Amateurs. We then did them every year until the last one at Internext in the summer of 2003. The last couple had dwindling attendance as that was the start of the end for many Amateurs in the industry.

These days, very few Amateurs are making any money and as you know, very few actually make it to the shows. There are probably less than 10 Amateurs that make over $100K a year these days (and that's probably stretching), as most make what we call "beer money".

But, we would be willing to help out in any way to do something for the Amateur market. After all, that has been my bread and butter for the past 13 years

-- Danny

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I'm not sure how well that would work these days. We used to put on Amateur Seminars, first on our own, and then working with Homegrown. Farrell and I used to head up the roundtable and get discussions going, which were quite good.

The first one we did was here in Montreal in 1999 at the CybernetExpo show, and we had the "who's who" of the Amateur world at that one, plus all sorts of very new Amateurs. We then did them every year until the last one at Internext in the summer of 2003. The last couple had dwindling attendance as that was the start of the end for many Amateurs in the industry.

These days, very few Amateurs are making any money and as you know, very few actually make it to the shows. There are probably less than 10 Amateurs that make over $100K a year these days (and that's probably stretching), as most make what we call "beer money".

But, we would be willing to help out in any way to do something for the Amateur market. After all, that has been my bread and butter for the past 13 years

-- Danny

I quietly attended those Danny.
They were indeed quite good and I think greatly beneficial.

Let me do some stirring and see what I can come up with.

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Danny maybe you can help me convince jay to have an amateur roundtable session?

I will definitely consider something like this... but I have tried it in the past and it was one of the least attended seminars unfortunately.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by LAJ

I will definitely consider something like this... but I have tried it in the past and it was one of the least attended seminars unfortunately.

That's the main reason we stopped doing them, the attendance just dwindled. The last one we did was more of a small get-together than a seminar.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by LAJ

I will definitely consider something like this... but I have tried it in the past and it was one of the least attended seminars unfortunately.

Yeah, you cant very well do much with an amateur seminar if you do not have a decent number of amateurs attending. And it has to be REAL amateurs, otherwise you might as well repackage it as a solo girls seminar or something else. The techniques that apply to producing and promoting a REAL amateur versus a "corporate" amateur are different.

For various reasons we've discussed here in threads before the amateur segment of the industry has greatly reduced the number of shows they go to. I think to get them back you'd have to do a lot more than a seminar. My hunch is a show designed just around them would work, something that could combine as a good working vacation where there's a lot of fun, and a lot of opportunity to shoot with other girls, etc. Maybe a cruise or hedonism type getaway that is friendly to the "lifestyle".

Now one spin that might be an interesting topic would be the difference between amateur, corporate amateur, solo girl and how best to promote each.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by LAJ

Well SF def. has something for everyone. No other city in the US even remotely like it.

Glad you are making the trek out!

Who is sponsoring the Mitchell Bros party?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Who is sponsoring the Mitchell Bros party?

I hope its not ARS.

[Hell Puppy]

I like San Francisco, though I despise the flight time.

But from a business standpoint, we see the same west coast players at every show in or near California, Phoenix, Vegas, so this one isn't an automatic for me. I'd be quicker to jump at another show somewhere east of the Mississippi as the beauty of Cybernet last year is it brought out people we dont normally run into.

We'll see how the year shapes up. I'll likely signup as soon as the Mitchell Bros party is a lock though, I couldn't pass that up.

[KevinG]

I have been attending Cybernet on and off since 2003.

In my experience it is one of the best, if not the best adult webmaster show for doing business and the seminars are the best too - like 1 million times better than other show seminars that shall remain nameless ... until I snap about it again that is.

I am hoping to be on a panel or two again and will bring the lovely Ms. Joanna Angel with me too.

Jay - the new site looks great. I got a 404 on this page though:
http://www.cybernetexpo.com/contact.html

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by KevinG

I have been attending Cybernet on and off since 2003.

In my experience it is one of the best, if not the best adult webmaster show for doing business and the seminars are the best too - like 1 million times better than other show seminars that shall remain nameless ... until I snap about it again that is.

I am hoping to be on a panel or two again and will bring the lovely Ms. Joanna Angel with me too.

Jay - the new site looks great. I got a 404 on this page though:
http://www.cybernetexpo.com/contact.html

Well thanks for the Kudos KevinG... very high compliments indeed! Can we talk on Monday regarding seminars...I'm compiling a list of speakers and seminar ideas and would like to kick around an idea or two with you. Please hit me up on ICQ!

And dammit about the contact page... do you recall what page you accessed that link thru?

Cuz if you go to the homepage and click "contact" at the top there, it does bring you to the right page:

http://www.cybernetexpo.com/contact.php

[KevinG]

Originally Posted by LAJ

Well thanks for the Kudos KevinG... very high compliments indeed! Can we talk on Monday regarding seminars...I'm compiling a list of speakers and seminar ideas and would like to kick around an idea or two with you. Please hit me up on ICQ!

And dammit about the contact page... do you recall what page you accessed that link thru?

Cuz if you go to the homepage and click "contact" at the top there, it does bring you to the right page:

http://www.cybernetexpo.com/contact.php

Hey Jay - yeah we can talk anytime.

It seems that Contact page link was fixed as I just went back to the site looking for it and couldn't find it.

However, while I was just looking at the site again I noticed that it could benefit from a little SEO touch up. I'll make you an offer you can't refuse on that if you're interested.

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I like San Francisco, though I despise the flight time.

But from a business standpoint, we see the same west coast players at every show in or near California, Phoenix, Vegas, so this one isn't an automatic for me. I'd be quicker to jump at another show somewhere east of the Mississippi as the beauty of Cybernet last year is it brought out people we dont normally run into.

We'll see how the year shapes up. I'll likely signup as soon as the Mitchell Bros party is a lock though, I couldn't pass that up.

Agreed that the travel is lengthy for east coast peeps and the time change upon return can be harsh after a few nights of partying late night... but fortunately SFO airport is a direct flight for most markets. And frankly for Cybernet Expo and how low we are trying to keep the prices... it's worth it!

And HP... Cybernet has typically drawn a different crowd than other west coast(ish) shows I think. The fact that we are moving to SF will increase attendance and bring a lot of familar faces but you can count on the business and professional atmosphere being our top priority. The show really attracts people with ROI on their mind and given the new location there will be plenty of unfamiliar faces there too.

[LAJ]

In the spirit of numerous replies here... I'll add one more.

The O'Farrell theatre (Mitchell Bros.) is less than a mile from the hotel. In fact it's walking distance as there are no major hills to traverse coming or going. I actually want to organize a sponsored tour / private dance and tug if the theatre will allow it and if a sponsor wants to step up and go down in adult Internet history.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LAJ

In the spirit of numerous replies here... I'll add one more.

The O'Farrell theatre (Mitchell Bros.) is less than a mile from the hotel. In fact it's walking distance as there are no major hills to traverse coming or going. I actually want to organize a sponsored tour / private dance and tug if the theatre will allow it and if a sponsor wants to step up and go down in adult Internet history.

Jay lets see what we can arrange. You know Ive been danlging that bait for months about the Mitchell Brothers safari.