Naked Rhino VS NATS

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Jace

I think we know that answer considering Jason Tucker is no longer listed as part of No Rivals Media anymore

Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if all those affiliates will finally get paid?

[gonzo]

I hear Chad is so very sad.

[raymor]

I've talked to both of them at length. I didn't go into much detail about this issue with the NATS
guys, but I have gotten to know them. In my opinion, Naked Rhino probably didn't cheat
any affiliates. In my opinion, NATS was trying to do the right thing but we all make mistakes
sometimes and they made the same mistake that I've made - publicly posting something
that shouldn't have been posted - at least not yet. I can understand that 100% because
in the past I've posted things about NATS that I shouldn't have posted. That's just my guess
or prediction. I don't know any facts that aren't public and am speaking only from the impression
I have about the people involved. Both seemed to be reasonably honest people. Things just
became public too soon, before anyone really knew 100% for sure what all was going.
I don't do business with scammers, liars, or cheaters. I still do business with Naked Rhino,
who uses Strongbox, and NATS, whose product I recommend and who recommends Strongbox.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by raymor

I've talked to both of them at length. I didn't go into much detail about this issue with the NATS
guys, but I have gotten to know them. In my opinion, Naked Rhino probably didn't cheat
any affiliates. In my opinion, NATS was trying to do the right thing but we all make mistakes
sometimes and they made the same mistake that I've made - publicly posting something
that shouldn't have been posted - at least not yet. I can understand that 100% because
in the past I've posted things about NATS that I shouldn't have posted. That's just my guess
or prediction. I don't know any facts that aren't public and am speaking only from the impression
I have about the people involved. Both seemed to be reasonably honest people. Things just
became public too soon, before anyone really knew 100% for sure what all was going.
I don't do business with scammers, liars, or cheaters. I still do business with Naked Rhino,
who uses Strongbox, and NATS, whose product I recommend and who recommends Strongbox.

Ive said from the begining I like both parties involved. Know them both on a personal level. Ive recommended NATS to numerous people and I have sent traffic to Naked Rhino as well as spoken with Chris and Brandi on many occassions.

And again as Ive stated Im just curious how this will end up. But I hear the wait is almost over. So all the cards will be on the table and everyone can make a judgement for themselves.

Totally unrelated but akin to your comment... there is a major wind of change starting to blow. Adult has become a BIG revuenue stream for many companies that provide services. And a lot of their competitors as well as upstarts are licking their chops for a piece of that pie.

Take for instance the lastest revision of Visa regs. We all know this time last year I pinned a message telling you that a 3rd party processor would be noncompliant and stop processing US Visa transactions.

And look how that ended up.

Now the requirements have become even more stringent and the steps that it takes to secure information for those processing VISA has become more expensive and time consuming.

Be careful who you trust to handle your money.

This industry steps closer to becoming regulated by the Feds every year.

The first CAN SPAM conviction was made this year.
The first 2257 violation was prosecuted this year.

Whats next?

My guess is the FTC and Feds will begin to persue those using spyware and trojans to steal money , time and resources by hijacking your computer.

Its in our best interest to start doing something about it now.

The best way is to start working with those that want to do business with us know that have credibility with the public and Feds.

Youll notice a new button at the top of Oprano.

The wind of change starts to blow next week in LA.

[Jace]

http://raleighfilmstudios.com/contacts.htm

interesting....

[Jace]

http://raleighfilmstudios.com/contacts.htm

scroll to the very bottom

We would like to give special thanks to our dear friend Jace whose tireless efforts and comprehensive quaility checks, help keep our company on top of it's game.

[RawAlex]

Gonzo, as much as the porn business tends to be a bit of a "bros club", my feeling is that at some point the industry will turn on itself and the lawyers will come out bigtime. There is way to many rogue affiliates out there.

[will76]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Whats next?

My guess is the FTC and Feds will begin to persue those using spyware and trojans to steal money , time and resources by hijacking your computer.
.

Good post, and I can only hope that the part above does indeed happen and they go after the people who profited off of "then stolen goods" as well.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by will76

Good post, and I can only hope that the part above does indeed happen and they go after the people who profited off of "then stolen goods" as well.

Its about time you made it over here ...

[will76]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Its about time you made it over here ...

I spent too much time on GFY but that was where all the bad people posted so it was good place to "chat" with them. Since I have been put into forced retirement in that respect now I can spend more time on quality boards

[will76]

Originally Posted by Toby

Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if all those affiliates will finally get paid?

Does someone have a list of who wasn't paid or were you one of them? When I hear people say things like " all those affiliates" is that a matter of fact or just board perception.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by will76

Does someone have a list of who wasn't paid or were you one of them? When I hear people say things like " all those affiliates" is that a matter of fact or just board perception.

Fortunately for me I was no longer promoting XclusiveCash when all this came down, so I wasn't owed any money.

I'm not aware of a list, but to my knowledge no payments have been made to any XclusiveCash affiliates since the dispute with NATS occurred.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Toby

Fortunately for me I was no longer promoting XclusiveCash when all this came down, so I wasn't owed any money.

I'm not aware of a list, but to my knowledge no payments have been made to any XclusiveCash affiliates since the dispute with NATS occurred.

so you know nothing, weren't involved in any kind of way but make statements like ... " Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if all those affiliates will finally get paid? "

[Toby]

Originally Posted by will76

so you know nothing, weren't involved in any kind of way but make statements like ... " Hmmm, interesting. I wonder if all those affiliates will finally get paid? "

I don't see your logic. Why do I have to be personally owed money in order to comment? Facts are facts regardless. Many XclusiveCash affiliates are still owed money.

[Robert]

Good to see you here, Will76

[will76]

Originally Posted by Toby

I don't see your logic. Why do I have to be personally owed money in order to comment? Facts are facts regardless. Many XclusiveCash affiliates are still owed money.

you don't see my logic? all I am asking is if you post something as a FACT... then post their names and amounts.

You can comment all you want but you are saying a lot of poeple are owed so who are all these people ? thats all i am asking. You said no affiliates were paid to your knowledge... ok so how many do you know ?


Let's say you owned an affiliate program, and since i don't know you nor all of your affiliates I make comments that " to my knowledge you never paid any of your affiliates"... is that a fair and sensible statement to make.

How about "i know so and so and he wasn't paid"?

the way you people just pick up hearsay and regurgitate it is sickening. People might not like me but i don't go off half cocked and say shit about people. If you use spyware and i take screen shots then i call you out for it. So many people here just hear shit and then perpetuate it.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by will76

you don't see my logic? all I am asking is if you post something as a FACT... then post their names and amounts.

You can comment all you want but you are saying a lot of poeple are owed so who are all these people ? thats all i am asking. You said no affiliates were paid to your knowledge... ok so how many do you know ?

If you robbed xxxpeter to pay xxxpaul and now xxxpeter is broke and xxxpaul wants his money then who do you go after?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by will76

you don't see my logic? all I am asking is if you post something as a FACT... then post their names and amounts.

You can comment all you want but you are saying a lot of poeple are owed so who are all these people ? thats all i am asking. You said no affiliates were paid to your knowledge... ok so how many do you know ?


Let's say you owned an affiliate program, and since i don't know you nor all of your affiliates I make comments that " to my knowledge you never paid any of your affiliates"... is that a fair and sensible statement to make.

How about "i know so and so and he wasn't paid"?

the way you people just pick up hearsay and regurgitate it is sickening. People might not like me but i don't go off half cocked and say shit about people. If you use spyware and i take screen shots then i call you out for it. So many people here just hear shit and then perpetuate it.

you are asking one person to post another persons financial details on a public forum, I am not sure who or what you think you are, but I would think that would be pretty irresponsible of anyone to do

[Jace]

Originally Posted by will76

Does someone have a list of who wasn't paid or were you one of them? When I hear people say things like " all those affiliates" is that a matter of fact or just board perception.

I personally know of at least 10 people that promoted them that are still owed money...one is owed upwards of $10k at this point

[will76]

Originally Posted by Jace

I personally know of at least 10 people that promoted them that are still owed money...one is owed upwards of $10k at this point

names ?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by will76

names ?

if those people want to be known, they can post on their own

I know mailman is very vocal about the money he is owed, somewhere in the $8k range last i checked