AdultDVDEmpire.com and Gamelink.com no longer carry the DVDs......

[Jace]

http://xbiz.com/news/83851

Both etailers will no longer carry the DVDs of studios that cut exclusive VOD deals with other online providers because it limits the purchasing options of potential customers.

[zand_stein]

News to make business strong

[Rcourt64]

VOD is a dying thing.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

VOD is a dying thing.

I have to say I think you're incredibly wrong there, RCourt, but you already knew that I was going to, didn't you? Of course you did I'm curious what makes you provide that opinion, though, if you care to share?

There are any number of responses I could put here to the original news bit, but I think I will just go with "isn't that an interesting business decision on their part?"

[helix]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

VOD is a dying thing.

lol...silly man.

[zand_stein]

Dead days

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I have to say I think you're incredibly wrong there, RCourt, but you already knew that I was going to, didn't you? Of course you did I'm curious what makes you provide that opinion, though, if you care to share?

There are any number of responses I could put here to the original news bit, but I think I will just go with "isn't that an interesting business decision on their part?"

The answer is yours, I will divulge ...


"...if ya flash your boobies"

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

The answer is yours, I will divulge ...


"...if ya flash your boobies"

Aww, and I didn't know you cared...

.. which is kinda sad, 'cos no one gets to see my boobies :P

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Aww, and I didn't know you cared...

.. which is kinda sad, 'cos no one gets to see my boobies :P

So no Boobies then?? thats messed up


WHERE THE HELL IS THAT SABBY CHICK WHEN YOU NEED HER ???






Ok,, I know... I'm exaggerating, Will it die? No probably never.
But It'll eventually become collectors items, like the playboys I used to keep under my mattress as a kid. And the xxx-movie industry will fade away slowly with technology continuing to push forward the way it's doing now.
Interactiveness is slowly creeping into place, taking more demand into sexual simulation than just plain videos. "Watching some guy fucking the crap outta some beautiful lady" is becoming old news, with all the amateurs free porn being released on a market today, watching people fuck is growing old school.
Attempting to distribute porn movies to the public every which way "even down to my freaking cell phone?" and the constant free distribution of the stuff will be it's own destruction in the long haul.
Porn has to be kept alive, and younger generations are growing up and getting horny also "kinda like we all did when young". Movies ain't gonna cut it anymore Liz.
Ya... I know your gonna lecture me on how great the numbers look like ~n~ stuff.
But I don't care,
Cuz the Internet is just in it's teenage years right now ma'am, and movies will be a thing of the past.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I have to say I think you're incredibly wrong there, RCourt, but you already knew that I was going to, didn't you? Of course you did I'm curious what makes you provide that opinion, though, if you care to share?

There are any number of responses I could put here to the original news bit, but I think I will just go with "isn't that an interesting business decision on their part?"

Wanna know where I see VOD in maybe 15 to 20 years from now?


well..? ..ever seen one of these before ma'am?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Wanna know where I see VOD in maybe 15 to 20 years from now?


well..? ..ever seen one of these before ma'am?

I have.......

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

So no Boobies then?? thats messed up


WHERE THE HELL IS THAT SABBY CHICK WHEN YOU NEED HER ???






Ok,, I know... I'm exaggerating, Will it die? No probably never.
But It'll eventually become collectors items, like the playboys I used to keep under my mattress as a kid. And the xxx-movie industry will fade away slowly with technology continuing to push forward the way it's doing now.
Interactiveness is slowly creeping into place, taking more demand into sexual simulation than just plain videos. "Watching some guy fucking the crap outta some beautiful lady" is becoming old news, with all the amateurs free porn being released on a market today, watching people fuck is growing old school.
Attempting to distribute porn movies to the public every which way "even down to my freaking cell phone?" and the constant free distribution of the stuff will be it's own destruction in the long haul.
Porn has to be kept alive, and younger generations are growing up and getting horny also "kinda like we all did when young". Movies ain't gonna cut it anymore Liz.
Ya... I know your gonna lecture me on how great the numbers look like ~n~ stuff.
But I don't care,
Cuz the Internet is just in it's teenage years right now ma'am, and movies will be a thing of the past.

I don't disagree that the internet is still in adolescence and that there are any number of changes on the horizon for the web at large, but I still fail to see how that spells the end of on-demand to you.

If you think movies are on the way out, I am genuiniely curious as to what's next in your opinion? Once upon a time, the sight of a woman's ankle was considered to be extremely racy in the public mind, and now we have any number of "shocking" visuals available at the click of a mouse - I don't disagree that there is a level of desensitisation that has occured in the mind of the general populace. But I do wonder what you feel is the next method of delivery if you have no faith in the future of film?

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Wanna know where I see VOD in maybe 15 to 20 years from now?


well..? ..ever seen one of these before ma'am?

Looks to me like a telegraph office.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Looks to me like a telegraph office.

Next he will be posting a picture of a telex machine.

R do you have a habit of half ass reading what people post or are you just stirring shit.

If you cant see that VOD is putting pressure on DVD sales then you need to smoke some more weed to cure that blindness.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Wanna know where I see VOD in maybe 15 to 20 years from now?


well..? ..ever seen one of these before ma'am?

In 1891, Edison invented the kinetiscope, the precursor to the movie projector, and was installed in penny arcades where people could watch short, simple films

And what, may you ask, were the most popular films of the day according to ALL the historians? Yep, you guessed it: The porn of the day. Risqué clips.
(Until the feature film of the great train robbery.....much, much, later)

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

In 1891, Edison invented the kinetiscope, the precursor to the movie projector, and was installed in penny arcades where people could watch short, simple films

And what, may you ask, were the most popular films of the day according to ALL the historians? Yep, you guessed it: The porn of the day. Risqué clips.
(Until the feature film of the great train robbery.....much, much, later)

Thanks, EJ. I never spent much time in arcades...

I notice my question as to what will replace movies has, as of now, still gone unanswered. Interesting.

[Rcourt64]

Ya it's how we used to watch porn even before movies where made, people would gather in these so called "parlors" and turn the handle to watch ladies get naaaaaked hehehehe.
The only difference is that we do it with these things called P.C's now. Nothings changed. we keep selling the same porn type venture over and over again, all we do is just change the way we show it. "Big fucking Whoopie"
Is VOD dying? Hell ya it is, at least till the next format for showing the same stuff over & over again is created.
We're so busy trying to figure out what new way we can show the same old shit again, that we losing ground on what exactly where showing to our customers. "that might be a key to why so harsh on 2257 issues"

What keeps this individual side of the industry going???
I dunno, maybe it's cuz..
a) It's the only way pornography was been seen, viewed, and looked at for the past 100 years???
"Besides Strip Clubs & prostitution that is, But we won't enter that realm, thats another conversation for another time or place."
b) Porn video graps the smoking gun created idea right when the new innovated novelty hits the market???
"a.e.b.n is a master in this field, shhhhh thou, they're porn distributing geniuses "
But nothings changed, It's just the same beautiful babe managing the get fucked in a different viewing way, VHS? DVD? VOD? Right?

Look Liz,
Is xxx-video gonna die? No
Is On_Demans features gonna die? No
Is porn video on demand gonna die? Yes

Thats just how I see it ma'am

"...Again..how bout just a quick peek at a nipple shot?.. maybe? ..huh? ..Liz? "

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Jace

http://xbiz.com/news/83851

This isn't as much a solid business decision as it is an attempt to make business partners choose.

What they're saying is, do an exclusive VOD deal where we cant get any and we wont carry your stuff. This is not an action that favors the consumer, nor does it necessarily help their bottom line.

As such, in a free market, historically this is a bad move.

"Information wants to be free" --Byte Brothers

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Thanks, EJ. I never spent much time in arcades...

I notice my question as to what will replace movies has, as of now, still gone unanswered. Interesting.

I have an answer for you in my next message......

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Nothings changed. we keep selling the same porn type venture over and over again, all we do is just change the way we show it. "Big fucking Whoopie"
Is VOD dying? Hell ya it is, at least till the next format for showing the same stuff over & over again is created.
We're so busy trying to figure out what new way we can show the same old shit again, that we losing ground on what exactly where showing to our customers. "that might be a key to why so harsh on 2257 issues"

What keeps this individual side of the industry going???
I dunno, maybe it's cuz..
a) It's the only way pornography was been seen, viewed, and looked at for the past 100 years???
"Besides Strip Clubs & prostitution that is, But we won't enter that realm, thats another conversation for another time or place."
b) Porn video graps the smoking gun created idea right when the new innovated novelty hits the market???
"a.e.b.n is a master in this field, shhhhh thou, they're porn distributing geniuses "
But nothings changed, It's just the same beautiful babe managing the get fucked in a different viewing way, VHS? DVD? VOD? Right?

Your words are prophetic....

Allow me to put in a piece of the prepared speech I had for Internext:

we are in a field, where reality is seeking fantasy.
People in their Hum Drum lives, with their dull sex lives, seek the exotic, the different, the fetish.
Everyone's version of the perfect sexual nirvana is different. Some slightly different on a common theme, some drastically different from the mainstream. Whatever their particular flavor, the motivation to acquire it is strong, you could even say, primal. Unlike other desires in life, sexual satisfaction is one that people will go that extra yard, and pay that extra dollar for. That is why the adult industry has the potential to drive, and more importantly, fund, new technological advances. It is also the industry's greatest weakness.
because there is massive consumption for adult product, it's not quite as difficult to sell to a massive, plugged in audience. As many of you know, who have been around since the "early days" of the web, at one time, it was simply a matter of throwing a site up and waiting for the cash to roll in. Of course, it's not quite that easy today.
For years, from the time of photography, to the early 60's we had pictures. 60's, 70's, we had widespread film, both theatrical, and 8MM. In the early 80's with the advent of video, the adult industry exploded, as people could satisfy their need in the privacy of their own home, on demand. Until the world wide web, that was about it.
Early in the "wild wild web days," people would pay $7 per minute to watch what was essentially a strip show at 1-3 Frames Per Second, at best. It was Now LIVE video, to an extent. But the early internet did nothing really more than provide a means to access more material, on demand, at will.

The next "milestone" was live chat and interaction or direction of the person in the live video.
While it's been great,and certainly a step forward, so far, the advances have been basically a better way to access adult material, and tie phone sex to a video image.
In reality, we could have done this in the 80's with a live TV picture, and a telephone connection to talk to the girl. So, The internet's greatest innovation has been basically building a better filing/access system. Great help to the masses, certainly a way that many small fortunes have been realized, but as "future tech," not much of an advancement.

In July, 2001, I wrote an article for AVN Online entitled "The Virtual future of the sleeping sex industry." In that, I expressed pretty much the same sentiment that I am expressing today. It's 6 years later, and the industry has not changed that much.

What is needed, and fortunately, what we do, is the next level. Until you reach out, and grab them by the balls, and physically pull them into the action, you are just providing them with a very thick hustler magazine, and an endless compilation Tape. And I'm not saying that's not a valid business model, it is. It is a way to make money, and serve the masses. After all, according to the mainstream press, everyone in this room is already raking in millions every year, preying on young undocumented, underage clones, of Traci Lords and destroying the innocent minds of the masses with our perverted sexual ideas.


No, what I'm talking about is a paradigm shift. a new way of thinking about this. The time for a better filing and content delivery system is over.

If I say the world "Holodeck," many, if not all of you in this seminar will know that I mean a virtual environment room, on the starship enterprise, that one could walk into, and instantly be in another environment of your choosing. And I know every man in here, and probably the women, have let their imagination run wild about what they might do in such an environment. That would be the end game, the ultimate climax, no pun intended, to the virtual reality sex experience.

Now, we'll have that for you in a little while, right after space travel becomes commonplace, and the enterprise leaves Space dock.


Anyhow, that was part of it. (And it was not the final...that's on my laptop somewhere....)

[Rcourt64]

Ya I probably sound to prophetic, But I'm also not attempting to present a speech either,
I'm just trying to show a outer view of the xxx-movie industry.
& what we've manage to accomplish in a 100 years.
Do I agree with everything you stated? no, probably not. But you did explain it in a more professional aspect.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Ya I probably sound to prophetic, But I'm also not attempting to present a speech either,
I'm just trying to show a outer view of the xxx-movie industry.
& what we've manage to accomplish in a 100 years.
Do I agree with everything you stated? no, probably not. But you did explain it in a more professional aspect.

Oh, no doubt......
I'm seeing it through my glasses..... (VR Glasses that is :-)
But there is little doubt to me that we've been Reading the same playboy since caveman times.....just through whatever the current "cool" medium is of the time.
Until you add another sense; smell, feel, touch.......we've only added motion and sound to caveman times.
And while men are certainly visually stimulated, they need physical gratification. Not too many "Mental male orgasms" out there. Gotta rub it out somehow....

I am, therefore, the savior of mankind.



of course, I'm kidding..... (well, a little bit anyhow....)

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Oh, no doubt......
I'm seeing it through my glasses..... (VR Glasses that is :-)
But there is little doubt to me that we've been Reading the same playboy since caveman times.....just through whatever the current "cool" medium is of the time.
Until you add another sense; smell, feel, touch.......we've only added motion and sound to caveman times.
And while men are certainly visually stimulated, they need physical gratification. Not too many "Mental male orgasms" out there. Gotta rub it out somehow....

I am, therefore, the savior of mankind.



of course, I'm kidding..... (well, a little bit anyhow....)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the "what's next" questions. I think there are strides being made in the direction you indicate, to be sure - which will enhance the industry as a whole. But I have a hard time thinking that VOD is "dying" for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that I believe it will be integrated into the next wave.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

...for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that I believe it will be integrated into the next wave. (emphasis added)

That's the buzzword these days, integration. Telephone, Internet, DVD's, Live Video and more on your PDA, your Home Entertainment System, etc. and VOD will be right there in the mix with everything else.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the "what's next" questions. I think there are strides being made in the direction you indicate, to be sure - which will enhance the industry as a whole. But I have a hard time thinking that VOD is "dying" for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that I believe it will be integrated into the next wave.

No, it certainly isn't dying. It will be the next evolution in content delivery. But I do see a problem with putting a meter on it. Like the hotmovies method of "paying by the minute."

It's my experience customers are uncomfortable knowing a meter is ticking off in the background. It's distracting, and ultimately self defeating.

There will also be a wake up call in the value of content when the "movie side" of the industry jumps into the "web side" of the biz. I come from the video store era, and even today, I can buy dvds wholesale all day for 99 cents, chock full of 4 hours of constant content. And that's a physical product, with physical delivery. That makes the actual value of the content on that disc about 17 cents of hard currency, about 4.25 cents per hour, .078 cents per minute.
Now, that's the reality of it. That value will decrease when the "hassle" of producing a hard product is removed. And somewhere in the world, there are people that will compete with THAT price.
I realize this isn't a popular opinion, and people will squawk, but that's the way the free market works.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

No, it certainly isn't dying. It will be the next evolution in content delivery. But I do see a problem with putting a meter on it. Like the hotmovies method of "paying by the minute."

It's my experience customers are uncomfortable knowing a meter is ticking off in the background. It's distracting, and ultimately self defeating.

There will also be a wake up call in the value of content when the "movie side" of the industry jumps into the "web side" of the biz. I come from the video store era, and even today, I can buy dvds wholesale all day for 99 cents, chock full of 4 hours of constant content. And that's a physical product, with physical delivery. That makes the actual value of the content on that disc about 17 cents of hard currency, about 4.25 cents per hour, .078 cents per minute.
Now, that's the reality of it. That value will decrease when the "hassle" of producing a hard product is removed. And somewhere in the world, there are people that will compete with THAT price.
I realize this isn't a popular opinion, and people will squawk, but that's the way the free market works.

Interesting thoughts. *files away*

[Rcourt64]

Such an entertaining novelty of a conversation we have here
But VOD "...is still just a whisper on my lips". (Dirty Vegas)

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Such an entertaining novelty of a conversation we have here
But VOD "...is still just a whisper on my lips". (Dirty Vegas)

Don't you just love the free market?
Let's you make any mistakes you want.....for a while....

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Such an entertaining novelty of a conversation we have here
But VOD "...is still just a whisper on my lips". (Dirty Vegas)

Hell dont bother to whisper it at all. Please just dont promote it.
Thats more money for me for retirement.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hell dont bother to whisper it at all. Please just dont promote it.
Thats more money for me for retirement.

Tell ya what???
You stick with your money making retirement collectors version of V.O.D Video On demand.
and I'll stay with my interactive version of P.O.D Putas-On-Demand.
and we all live happy happy, happy, till we manage to combine the two worlds.
Which probably won't happen till EmporerEJ finishes his project in about 25 years




"So no ones gonna show any boobies around here? huh?"

[gonzo]

Rcourt reminds me of this guy . . .



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Rcourt reminds me of this guy . . .



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

Naaaa, Not Britney...
The only time I actually break down like that is when people talk smack about our Oprano SlumLoad. it just kills me to pieces

[Hell Puppy]

Delivery mechanism is kind of irrelevent here. Porn will always be available on just about any mechanism anyone could ever possibly invent. And companies like AEBN have the resources to put their product on it. The only question is will anyone use it? Or rather will enough people use it to make it profitable.

One has to understand psychology of users to make an educated bet on that. Porn on the phone? In it's current form, I've never seen the appeal, and indeed mobile on that platform has floundered. But now think about something like the Ipod for a moment. What's the real appeal of the Ipod? Forget technology, think business and personal needs and marketing. The appeal is to be able to have ALL of your favorite songs in a small package you can have with you at all times that is easy to use.

Done.

So how do you want your porn? Where are you not currently getting all the porn you could want or not enough variety? Places you might actually "use" it?

That's one question to ponder.

[Hell Puppy]

The other question around VOD is will people continue to tolerate pay per minute? Or WHY do they use it now and will it still exist in the future?

Now there's a whole other discussion about how broken the adult business model is with $30+ join rates while paying affiliates $35 per signup. So I'm not gonna touch that.

But instead, let's talk solely about VOD.

Historically, people have always preferred all you can eat to measured service when they can get it. This is true across any industry you can think of, telephone, etc. If they cant get all you can eat, they at least want to buy things in blocks that meet their needs. This is true of your cellphone. This is even true of your cable TV or satellite service. It's kind of measured in that it's ala-carte, but you buy the package that meets your needs for most months with the option to buy more on an as needed (on demand) basis.

Why?

What's the psychology?

Easy. People like a predictable bill and expenditure. Most people cant control themselves or manage their money. So they want that comfort.

So why would people go with PPM on VOD or even webcams when there are plenty of flat rate pay sites out there that have millions of pics, thousands of videos, etc.

Easy, the quality difference is huge....or rather the spankability. The flat rate sites for the most part are the same old stuff over and over. Whereas a distribtor like AEBN has EVERYTHING. They have all the top stars, top studios and they present it reliably and with quality. Same thing with webcams, you're getting a live girl and have enough to choose from to get what "does it for you".

So will it stay around? Only so long as someone doesn't cave and make something of a similar quality available on flat rate. But I dont see it happening. The studios still need to bring in good money, and you cant do it by giving the stuff away. Ma and Pa providers can, but again that's a whole different market segment that arent' relevent to the discussion.

What I could see is a cell phone like model whereby you have something similar to a cellphone contract whereby you can get a discount on buying big blocks of minutes if you commit to buy that block every month for a year. This is good for both the consumer and the business. The consumer gets predicability of his expenditure while knowing he can always go to AEBN and rub one out. And AEBN, or whoever, would gain a portion of their income that is as locked and predictable, if not more so, than anyone's existing recurring model.

[softball]

Ma and Pa providers can, but again that's a whole different market segment that arent' relevent to the discussion.

Actually, ma and pa providers can't give it away and they are relevant to the discussion. They sell lots of product and they convert very well.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

One has to understand psychology of users to make an educated bet on that.
So how do you want your porn? Where are you not currently getting all the porn you could want or not enough variety? Places you might actually "use" it?

That's one question to ponder.

Why not attempt to answer these question by asking?
"Whats the purpose of pornography???" I mean, what purpose does it serve us? "I'm sure there would be a billion different answers"
And then possibly figure where it's direction needs to be focused at?
"Cuz jackin' off while waiting for the Double FF train @ the Brooklyn station with my cell phone, ain't gonna work bro"

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Actually, ma and pa providers can't give it away and they are relevant to the discussion. They sell lots of product and they convert very well.

ma & pa providers do well I believe is a trend we're just going threw in these past years."The reality feeling"
"and I think it will be (in demand) for many more years still."
it's popularity is all over the networks and home grown porn and amateur cams is now possibly "as close" as consumers are going to feel like with reality interactivity porn thats available on the Internet right now.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Actually, ma and pa providers can't give it away and they are relevant to the discussion. They sell lots of product and they convert very well.

Agree, but the mechanics of that market are somewhat different from studio porn. Amateur and niche are all about loyalty more so than variety. Whereas the large VOD companies succeed because they are almost like an online Blockbuster store full of porn.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Agree, but the mechanics of that market are somewhat different from studio porn. Amateur and niche are all about loyalty more so than variety. Whereas the large VOD companies succeed because they are almost like an online Blockbuster store full of porn.

that is true. Throw enough spaghetti at the fridge and some of it will stick. We are talking about what sells. I am a mom and pop operation and my affiliates seem to do very well as do we. So I am not quite sure what your point is. Sales are sales. Marketing is marketing. If you really know your stuff it shouldn't matter.