Oprano....

[Rcourt64]

I recently spoke with one of the Oprano Elders over the phone a few days ago, and we spoke a bit about Oprano for a few.
And he said something that really left me thinking for awhile? They're comments went something along the line of:
"They said Oprano would be different once the elders where gone. That no more busting anyones chops anymore,
whether it was a surfmaster or a webmaster."
I'm not gonna say who said it, if they want they can speak for them selfs. I'm just using it as an example.

But I really don't see much of a change since the elders are gone. I mean ya sure the elders that stayed at Oprano stiil ragg, knock and screw with each others, Thats all great and funny I truly get a kick out of messing on the elders that are left also.
But the way Scarie Crowie Guy and a few others that joined here have been treated?
Well I guess every new member is going to have to go thru some sort of explanation, reason and ragging why they're here. But when they give a true and sincere reason why they joined. And its not to someones agreement here at Oprano. Then they get all sorts of hell till they are vanished or ran off?
This is truly some immature and poor ass behavior from a bunch of so called Oprano Professionals Board Members.
And I just want to take this moment to say, GREAT WORK GUYS. Danggg I just love it at Oprano

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

I recently spoke with one of the Oprano Elders over the phone a few days ago, and we spoke a bit about Oprano for a few.
And he said something that really left me thinking for awhile? They're comments went something along the line of:
"They said Oprano would be different once the elders where gone. That no more busting anyones chops anymore,
whether it was a surfmaster or a webmaster."
I'm not gonna say who said it, if they want they can speak for them selfs. I'm just using it as an example.

But I really don't see much of a change since the elders are gone. I mean ya sure the elders that stayed at Oprano stiil ragg, knock and screw with each others, Thats all great and funny I truly get a kick out of messing on the elders that are left also.
But the way Scarie Crowie Guy and a few others that joined here have been treated?
Well I guess every new member is going to have to go thru some sort of explanation, reason and ragging why they're here. But when they give a true and sincere reason why they joined. And its not to someones agreement here at Oprano. Then they get all sorts of hell till they are vanished or ran off?
This is truly some immature and poor ass behavior from a bunch of so called Oprano Professionals Board Members.
And I just want to take this moment to say, GREAT WORK GUYS. Danggg I just love it at Oprano

You will NEVER see me rag a webmaster, elder or newcomer to this or any board unless they attack me first. That is the stage when the frost takes place. Doc isn't a webmaster so he is fresh meat as long as he brings up the 'assholes' I will continue to be one.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Snowman

You will NEVER see me rag a webmaster, elder or newcomer to this or any board .

now wheres the fun in that?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

I recently spoke with one of the Oprano Elders over the phone a few days ago, and we spoke a bit about Oprano for a few.
And he said something that really left me thinking for awhile? They're comments went something along the line of:
"They said Oprano would be different once the elders where gone. That no more busting anyones chops anymore,
whether it was a surfmaster or a webmaster."
I'm not gonna say who said it, if they want they can speak for them selfs. I'm just using it as an example.

But I really don't see much of a change since the elders are gone. I mean ya sure the elders that stayed at Oprano stiil ragg, knock and screw with each others, Thats all great and funny I truly get a kick out of messing on the elders that are left also.
But the way Scarie Crowie Guy and a few others that joined here have been treated?
Well I guess every new member is going to have to go thru some sort of explanation, reason and ragging why they're here. But when they give a true and sincere reason why they joined. And its not to someones agreement here at Oprano. Then they get all sorts of hell till they are vanished or ran off?
This is truly some immature and poor ass behavior from a bunch of so called Oprano Professionals Board Members.
And I just want to take this moment to say, GREAT WORK GUYS. Danggg I just love it at Oprano

I can only assume you are speaking about me since there are no longer any partners involved with this board. God knows Ive stirred way more than my share of piss but Im not sure who you think Ive ran off.

This isnt a sarcastic message either . . . could you clarify who and what your talking about?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I can only assume you are speaking about me since there are no longer any partners involved with this board. God knows Ive stirred way more than my share of piss but Im not sure who you think Ive ran off.

This isnt a sarcastic message either . . . could you clarify who and what your talking about?

Partners? I never even used that word. And no, it was not you I spoke with, So you assume wrong.
And as for the term "ran off" well maybe that phrase was a bit harsh.
If you really need me to clarify to you what I'm talking about? then you have a piss poor memory GonZo

[Hammer]

Rcourt, what in the world are you talking about? Other than Rhetorical's stalking of Trisha, the only person I've seen roughed up a bit lately is Skarecrow and he's not a webmaster, nor a surfmaster, he's just a plain old surfer that has no business being here. There are plenty of fan and surfer boards out there, we don't need to put up with them here.

I'll tell you one thing. If it gets to the point that Oprano decides to start courting surfers, you can color me gone. I don't mind spending a few minutes messing around once in a while, but for me, there's way too much work to do to spend time fucking around on a message board. When I have free time, I spend it with my family, reading a book, exercising, or any number of things that are far more enjoyable than sifting through a bunch of horse shit looking for a decent thread to post in.

If a surfer stumbles in once in a while, it's no big deal and Skarecrow was treated just fine until he started looking like a stalker and acting like a moron.

[softball]

WTF is an elder anyway? Is that like a wizard or just an old fart seeing the world from a tour bus?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

WTF is an elder anyway? Is that like a wizard or just an old fart seeing the world from a tour bus?

YOU are..,
Hammer is, so is Serge, HP, Spaz, Sarettah, JR, Forest, Bishop, Nick, Gonzo, and a shit load more, the list is long to name them all. They are the ones who are Oprano Elders, the ones who have experienced and have justification to top the Adult Industry with there knowledge and history. The has-been goldrushers and a few that came later. Thats an Elder.

[Jace]

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

There is a character that I would bet would put your income to shame and all on her own would certainly equal whatever it is that you earn. You have no idea of what you post. Jace, stop being a moron and act like a professional. Its guys like you that actually believe Arnie is the Terminator. Consider yourself professionally punked.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

YOU are..,
Hammer is, so is Serge, HP, Spaz, Sarettah, JR, Forest, Bishop, Nick, Gonzo, and a shit load more, the list is long to name them all. They are the ones who are Oprano Elders, the ones who have experienced and have justification to top the Adult Industry with there knowledge and history. The has-been goldrushers and a few that came later. Thats an Elder.

umm. On Oprano I have been here a while. But please, let's keep the record straight. Any real money I made in adult was an employee for a very large adult internet presence between 1999 and 2001. At that time I did not even know how to code html. I was purely doing the processing.

I have not made shit on the net (yet???) and should never be included in a list of those with history. Knowledge I have plenty of, lots and lots of knowledge. The wherewithall to put any of that knowledge to use is what I lack. I have been floundering since day one of my attempts at webmastering and my attempts to provide programming to this industry as an independent are not much better. So, while I am extremely flattered to be included in that list I do not deserve it and do not feel that I have ever made any claim that would put me on that list.

I am newbier than most newbies when it comes to figuring out how to turn a dime in this biz.

I have stated it many times but will once again. I am a nobody in this biz, hell I don't even qualify to be a Fat Fucking Nobody. I am DFN4life

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

YOU are..,
Hammer is, so is Serge, HP, Spaz, Sarettah, JR, Forest, Bishop, Nick, Gonzo, and a shit load more, the list is long to name them all. They are the ones who are Oprano Elders, the ones who have experienced and have justification to top the Adult Industry with there knowledge and history. The has-been goldrushers and a few that came later. Thats an Elder.

You can remove me from that list as well. While I have been on Oprano for a few years the names in that list have a lot more time here then I do. And Sarettah was correct, he has a lot of time in here.


spaz

[Hammer]

If we're talking about chronological age, I'm definitely the elder of most of the people that post here. Whether or not that's something to be proud of is questionable.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

I recently spoke with one of the Oprano Elders over the phone a few days ago, and we spoke a bit about Oprano for a few.
And he said something that really left me thinking for awhile? They're comments went something along the line of:
"They said Oprano would be different once the elders where gone. That no more busting anyones chops anymore,
whether it was a surfmaster or a webmaster."
I'm not gonna say who said it, if they want they can speak for them selfs. I'm just using it as an example.

But I really don't see much of a change since the elders are gone. I mean ya sure the elders that stayed at Oprano stiil ragg, knock and screw with each others, Thats all great and funny I truly get a kick out of messing on the elders that are left also.
But the way Scarie Crowie Guy and a few others that joined here have been treated?
Well I guess every new member is going to have to go thru some sort of explanation, reason and ragging why they're here. But when they give a true and sincere reason why they joined. And its not to someones agreement here at Oprano. Then they get all sorts of hell till they are vanished or ran off?
This is truly some immature and poor ass behavior from a bunch of so called Oprano Professionals Board Members.
And I just want to take this moment to say, GREAT WORK GUYS. Danggg I just love it at Oprano

I am so sick of bullshit man, if I ever come across as a total asshole and rude to newcomers....IT IS BECAUSE I MEANT TO

no offense, but there is no place for surfers on an adult webmaster board

[helix]

Surfs up!

[Jace]

let me add

I appreciate what gonzo is doing to this board, he has really whipped it into shape

but as far as surfers being trained to become webmasters on here....i won't have it...there is WAY too much saturation of porn on the net, all we need is porn fanatics coming here and us telling them how to make money selling porn online, so that we have 100 more crappy sites to compete with

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

let me add

I appreciate what gonzo is doing to this board, he has really whipped it into shape

but as far as surfers being trained to become webmasters on here....i won't have it...there is WAY too much saturation of porn on the net, all we need is porn fanatics coming here and us telling them how to make money selling porn online, so that we have 100 more crappy sites to compete with

Soooo. Your blogging forums is not for folks to learn how to make money using blogs (now one of the easiest ways for a newb to start in this business)?

There will always be room for newbs in this or any other business that is going to last. You cut off the newbs and you cut off new ideas, new ways of looking at stuff, you become jaded and tunnel vissioned out.

Competition is what makes businesses thrive and grow, it also takes some out, that is how evolution works. If the business does not evolve then it stagnates.

I am not in favor of trying to convert every surfer into a webmaster anymore than I am in favor of turning every webmaster into a programmer (my bailiwick) however, as you know, if asked the question I will try to give an honest answer and help a person along their way. Paying it forward as it were. If they become a better programmer (or webmaster) than me that is my problem not theirs. If they become my competition, so be it, like I said competition forces change, forces me to keep up with what is going on, forces me to think outside the box.

I might not always like it but that is the way the world works.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Soooo. Your blogging forums is not for folks to learn how to make money using blogs (now one of the easiest ways for a newb to start in this business)?

There will always be room for newbs in this or any other business that is going to last. You cut off the newbs and you cut off new ideas, new ways of looking at stuff, you become jaded and tunnel vissioned out.

Competition is what makes businesses thrive and grow, it also takes some out, that is how evolution works. If the business does not evolve then it stagnates.

I am not in favor of trying to convert every surfer into a webmaster anymore than I am in favor of turning every webmaster into a programmer (my bailiwick) however, as you know, if asked the question I will try to give an honest answer and help a person along their way. Paying it forward as it were. If they become a better programmer (or webmaster) than me that is my problem not theirs. If they become my competition, so be it, like I said competition forces change, forces me to keep up with what is going on, forces me to think outside the box.

I might not always like it but that is the way the world works.

This post is a

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Soooo. Your blogging forums is not for folks to learn how to make money using blogs (now one of the easiest ways for a newb to start in this business)?

There will always be room for newbs in this or any other business that is going to last. You cut off the newbs and you cut off new ideas, new ways of looking at stuff, you become jaded and tunnel vissioned out.

Competition is what makes businesses thrive and grow, it also takes some out, that is how evolution works. If the business does not evolve then it stagnates.

I am not in favor of trying to convert every surfer into a webmaster anymore than I am in favor of turning every webmaster into a programmer (my bailiwick) however, as you know, if asked the question I will try to give an honest answer and help a person along their way. Paying it forward as it were. If they become a better programmer (or webmaster) than me that is my problem not theirs. If they become my competition, so be it, like I said competition forces change, forces me to keep up with what is going on, forces me to think outside the box.

I might not always like it but that is the way the world works.

on one hand I love to teach people new things, but on the other hand I see the saturation that is in front of us and cringe

i don't know one tgp guy that hasn't said to me in the past 6 months that his ratios have gone down the toilet

when I first started blogging I could easily get 1:100-200 ratios, now I am lucky to get 1:1000, and that is a GOOD day

it pains me to help newbies, because I know 1 in 5 of them will be the next nastyboards.com owner and be stealing from me in 6 months to make a buck selling dating and cams sites

the business is changing in such a scary way, YES it makes me jaded

as for my blog forum, that is something I haven't really kept up with lately, but am trying to start again

wanna know my reasoning for posting in there, and other forums, again about blogging? because the more traffic I get to my blogging blog, the more I can sell ads to webmaster programs for on there....plain and simple...everything I have been doing lately has a monetary goal, and sometimes that involves doing things that helps newbies out, just the name of the game...in order for me to make money in some of the areas I want to make money in, I have to cater to newbies and idiots...again, just the name of the game

I don't hate newbies, but I sure as hell am weary of them as of recently

then there are guys like rcourt who prove me wrong and go against all the typical newbie stereotypes....so, that at least gives me hope....but the majority of the time I just am sick of it all

I prefer to live in my own world where I work with established figures in the adult industry

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Jace

on one hand I love to teach people new things, but on the other hand I see the saturation that is in front of us and cringe

i don't know one tgp guy that hasn't said to me in the past 6 months that his ratios have gone down the toilet

when I first started blogging I could easily get 1:100-200 ratios, now I am lucky to get 1:1000, and that is a GOOD day

it pains me to help newbies, because I know 1 in 5 of them will be the next nastyboards.com owner and be stealing from me in 6 months to make a buck selling dating and cams sites

the business is changing in such a scary way, YES it makes me jaded

as for my blog forum, that is something I haven't really kept up with lately, but am trying to start again

wanna know my reasoning for posting in there, and other forums, again about blogging? because the more traffic I get to my blogging blog, the more I can sell ads to webmaster programs for on there....plain and simple...everything I have been doing lately has a monetary goal, and sometimes that involves doing things that helps newbies out, just the name of the game...in order for me to make money in some of the areas I want to make money in, I have to cater to newbies and idiots...again, just the name of the game

I don't hate newbies, but I sure as hell am weary of them as of recently

then there are guys like rcourt who prove me wrong and go against all the typical newbie stereotypes....so, that at least gives me hope....but the majority of the time I just am sick of it all

I prefer to live in my own world where I work with established figures in the adult industry

As for the board...i'd say if it primarily sticks to it's motto "the business of porn", it'll be fine. is there room for newbs in that? absolutely. is there room for curious surfers? well, i think gonzo has some better folders for that, but as long as they aren't disruptive having the point of view of our "customers" is definitely also part of the "business".

i think scarecrow started down a bad path by almost coming across as a stalker with the carly obsession and "how do i meet the girls" type stuff. little bit of a creep vibe there. anything that is threatening to the ladies of our industry, i have an issue with.

teaching newbs....

i'll teach them what is known by most of the adult community already. i wont teach anyone anything that is a competitive advantage for me.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Jace

then there are guys like rcourt who prove me wrong and go against all the typical newbie stereotypes....so, that at least gives me hope....but the majority of the time I just am sick of it all

Don't let rcourt fool you bro... he's no true newbie to the biz, just in the diversification end of it.


spaz

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

I recently spoke with one of the Oprano Elders over the phone a few days ago, and we spoke a bit about Oprano for a few.
And he said something that really left me thinking for awhile? They're comments went something along the line of:
"They said Oprano would be different once the elders where gone. That no more busting anyones chops anymore,
whether it was a surfmaster or a webmaster."
I'm not gonna say who said it, if they want they can speak for them selfs. I'm just using it as an example.

But I really don't see much of a change since the elders are gone. I mean ya sure the elders that stayed at Oprano stiil ragg, knock and screw with each others, Thats all great and funny I truly get a kick out of messing on the elders that are left also.
But the way Scarie Crowie Guy and a few others that joined here have been treated?
Well I guess every new member is going to have to go thru some sort of explanation, reason and ragging why they're here. But when they give a true and sincere reason why they joined. And its not to someones agreement here at Oprano. Then they get all sorts of hell till they are vanished or ran off?
This is truly some immature and poor ass behavior from a bunch of so called Oprano Professionals Board Members.
And I just want to take this moment to say, GREAT WORK GUYS. Danggg I just love it at Oprano

Am I the one you spoke with on the phone bro? Because I know we have had a few conversations. And I was one of the ones yelling the loudest here about how we had to treat people with respect and help newbies out and blah blah blah. Yes sometimes the old guard just made me disgusted and I would vacate the board for extended periods of time. But I also have friends here that I ONLY see here. Since I value their views on things and enjoy the banter I always came back.

But the scarecrow issue has me kind of torn. It makes me look like a hypocrite if I don't help the guy out but his behavior and demeanor in the first few days here bothered me so I have tried to stay out of it. While I am sure almost everyone here will answer intelligent questions from webmasters of all experience i just don't like this guy. I am sorry and know that is harsh but Oprano is still a proving ground of sorts and you just can't clip it's balls completely off.

That's just my opinion of course. And if I want a surfers opinion and insight I will just check out Snowman's forums... but it looks dead there. I wonder if I should start posting there as well...



spaz