Legal Hassles for one of our own

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Yup, that's what makes these forums we like so much work.. people having differing opinion and in Oprano's case we can disagree without screaming and name calling and no one ends up in the corner sucking their thumbs heh heh


spaz

Hell I disagree with Hammer a lot oveer th years. Doesnt stop us from being firends. I prefer to call it debate. And this is a hot topic.

You have to admire Mike and Jen's persistance to stay in this business.
I know I do.

[Forest]

ya know running a porn biz from a home where children are is not like selling mary kay shit out of your house.

we are held to a different standard due the the nature of our content and I have to say I agree with some of it

In today's porn world if u cant afford a 500 a month office to do your work in and u have children get ready to have some major issues.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Forest

ya know running a porn biz from a home where children are is not like selling mary kay shit out of your house.

we are held to a different standard due the the nature of our content and I have to say I agree with some of it

In today's porn world if u cant afford a 500 a month office to do your work in and u have children get ready to have some major issues.

You've left off a few things. There's more needed than just a $500 office. That office will also have to be a studio, complete with assorted furnishings to make it look like a room in a home, not like a sterile photo studio. In order to have more than one "set" you're very quickly getting into an office much larger than you can get for $500 a month, and a considerable cash outlay for furnishings.

A great deal of the charm and appeal of true independent amateur sites is the fact that the surfer/member is getting a look into the "real life" of the girl.

Independent amateur sites are where I started in this biz back in the late 90's, so I've gotten to know quite a few of them. Many are also swingers, most have kids, and I'd estimate that maybe 1 in 100 have an office and/or studio outside of their home.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

You've left off a few things. There's more needed than just a $500 office. That office will also have to be a studio, complete with assorted furnishings to make it look like a room in a home, not like a sterile photo studio. In order to have more than one "set" you're very quickly getting into an office much larger than you can get for $500 a month, and a considerable cash outlay for furnishings.

A great deal of the charm and appeal of true independent amateur sites is the fact that the surfer/member is getting a look into the "real life" of the girl.

Independent amateur sites are where I started in this biz back in the late 90's, so I've gotten to know quite a few of them. Many are also swingers, most have kids, and I'd estimate that maybe 1 in 100 have an office and/or studio outside of their home.

Running a studio costs about two grand a month. I had a studio for years, so I have a good idea of what it takes to keep it alive. One thing I will say, Toby is that a "studio" can also be a three bedroom apartment downtown with the anonymity that that brings and you are not in a kid type neighbourhood. That also works well because it looks like a residence. It costs a bit to furnish it, but hey, they are just props and can be picked up from yard sales and salvation army stores.
Having said all that, I know rent locations and that gives me the flexibility of having different looks. Costs less, but surprisingly not a lot less, but it does keep things kind of fresh.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

...One thing I will say, Toby is that a "studio" can also be a three bedroom apartment downtown with the anonymity that that brings and you are not in a kid type neighbourhood...

Still too costly for most independent amateurs. With a few notable exceptions, these sites simply aren't generating that kind of income. They're making far more than they could in alot of other jobs, but they're not getting rich. Those days are long gone.

[gonzo]

Very good conversaton.

[spazlabz]

It is very easy to over simplify on either side of the issue.

But what if someone really wanted to get into the industry and felt their wife was hot and she was willing. The idea that they would have to put out that much cash for something they can just as easily do in their own home and don't know if it is going to make money with... thats just too much.

By requiring a studio we eliminate the most vibrant and real porn our industry can produce and further narrow the field down to the bigger companies with stock 'exclusive content'.

remember, the only thing they violated here was a zoning regulation and even then there wasn't any charges filed


spaz

[Forest]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Running a studio costs about two grand a month. I had a studio for years, so I have a good idea of what it takes to keep it alive. One thing I will say, Toby is that a "studio" can also be a three bedroom apartment downtown with the anonymity that that brings and you are not in a kid type neighbourhood. That also works well because it looks like a residence. It costs a bit to furnish it, but hey, they are just props and can be picked up from yard sales and salvation army stores.
Having said all that, I know rent locations and that gives me the flexibility of having different looks. Costs less, but surprisingly not a lot less, but it does keep things kind of fresh.

a "studio" can also be a one bedroom apt with a living room kitchen dining room bathroom and BAM u have 4 different sets to shoot in. I did it that was my second and 3rd studios

Change the bg a bit with a few diff pictures different bed spread lampo and BAM u have another set

Im sure u can get a 1 bdrm apt in middle america for under 650 a month.

Go to salvation army and get great stuff for your sets. I did. I started my first cam studio for less then 1500 in sets and equip .

[Jace]

you can't get a $500 a month office anywhere near here, and I live in a small suburb outside the city

last I checked it was $1400 a month just for the office, add on all the other shit you are talking $2-3k easy....not chump change for a mom and pop cam site

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Jace

you can't get a $500 a month office anywhere near here, and I live in a small suburb outside the city

last I checked it was $1400 a month just for the office, add on all the other shit you are talking $2-3k easy....not chump change for a mom and pop cam site

you can get a 500.00 office all over the place down here


400-500 sq ft

and a 650.00 one bedroom apts are a dime a dozen.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Toby

You've left off a few things. There's more needed than just a $500 office. That office will also have to be a studio, complete with assorted furnishings to make it look like a room in a home, not like a sterile photo studio. In order to have more than one "set" you're very quickly getting into an office much larger than you can get for $500 a month, and a considerable cash outlay for furnishings.

A great deal of the charm and appeal of true independent amateur sites is the fact that the surfer/member is getting a look into the "real life" of the girl.

Independent amateur sites are where I started in this biz back in the late 90's, so I've gotten to know quite a few of them. Many are also swingers, most have kids, and I'd estimate that maybe 1 in 100 have an office and/or studio outside of their home.

hmm thats odd I could have sworn i started my first cam studio at a 350 a month office and a internet connection with 3 different sets in the office.

Granted that was 99 and rents may have been a bit cheaper but none the less if I could do it any idiot can do it

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hell I disagree with Hammer a lot oveer th years. Doesnt stop us from being firends.

A lot?

I disagree.

[Hammer]

There is one logical solution to renting an office or an apartment.

Use your friends homes when they aren't home. Just be sure to clean up before you leave so they don't know. That includes washing the sheets, if you're a good friend.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

There is one logical solution to renting an office or an apartment.

Use your friends homes when they aren't home. Just be sure to clean up before you leave so they don't know. That includes washing the sheets, if you're a good friend.

what if your friends like cummy sheets?

could be a second addon site down the road

fuck in the bed

then film them fucking in your fucking slime

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

A lot?

I disagree.

I always said you can be stubborn too.

Its ok we are too older dudes making gangster hand signs trying to look younger.

HAHAHAHAHAH

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I always said you can be stubborn too.

Its ok we are too older dudes making gangster ahnd signs trying to look younger.

HAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, but the teen babes sure go for the shocker. At least I don't have a Grecian Formula bill that's as high as my car payment, like another 'older' guy I'm thinking of.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Yeah, but the teen babes sure go for the shocker. At least my Grecian Formula bill isn't as high as my car payment, like another 'older' guy I'm thinking of.

If I wanted to look 10 years younger Id just go clean cut.

Wait a sec.... I did 6 months ago.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

If I wanted to look 10 years younger Id just go clean cut.

Wait a sec.... I did 6 months ago.

I got tired of shaving the goatee and am letting the full beard fill in. It's coming in about 50% grey, but fuck it, it makes me look distinguished. Besides, I know The Legacy doesn't agree, but what's wrong with old guys using the shocker? My wife likes it.

[softball]

"By requiring a studio we eliminate the most vibrant and real porn our industry can produce and further narrow the field down to the bigger companies with stock 'exclusive content'."


I disagee entirely. What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.

[gonzo]

What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.

I believe I spotted a

[Forest]

Originally Posted by gonzo

What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.

I believe I spotted a

see when he takes his meds he can be quite lucid

LOL

J/K dude

[Hammer]

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

most dont think that far ahead i believe

I agree with that statement. When i was doing content I know the last thing that was on my mind was what my future kids (if any) might think if they found it

But then agin I dont have kids

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

call me old fashioned, but I share your view for the most part

hell, I am worried about my niece and nephews finding out my "fucking" past, much less if I had kids

[UncutBucksMike]

The possible violation that they used to get the search warrant was for a zoning violation (which we have still not been charged with to my knowledge). I have since gone back and read the zoning code and it was clearly written to address "retail" adult businesses like adult bookstores, movie theaters and strip clubs. There using it on us was a stretch at best. I have since found out that similar language is popping up in zoning ordinances in many cities across the country. So, even had I not produced or appeared in any of the content, but (under the interpretation they used in our case) merely ran an enterprise that produced most of its revenue from "adult" activities from my home, I would be in violation. They specifically ban from zoning anywhere in the county adult business from being in any of the zoning they have control over. It requires that you be in an area zoned for this type activity and they have no such areas zoned and won't permit them. So even if I was submitting TGP's from my home office and made money from it, "knock knock...Police".

Originally Posted by Hammer

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

Wow, interesting opinion. By that logic, appearing in "porn" means you should never have children. Is it just hardcore, or is softcore OK? Other kids might taunt you if they saw your mommies tits too. Hell they could give you a hard time if she wears skimpy bikinis and is on a website. If the other kids in the neighborhood found out that you have anything to do with the porn industry, content or not, your kids might be subjected to some issues. As Jace pointed out he is somewhat concerned about nieces and nephews. This kind of logic puts you on a slippery slope of doing thing to protect someone else's children from possible "harm" that they may eventually suffer.

Toby is right, some of us don't make a ton of money doing this, but we make enough to allow us to stay home and be there for our kids. As a matter of fact I used to be on the road 20 days a month and Jen ran a business all day, and we never were really there the way we should be for our kids. The studio idea could work in some scenarios. It would not have in Ky, because that studio would also have been excluded by the zoning ordinances. In other areas I have found that it needs to be in an area zoned industrial and needs special licenses, in others it must be so many feet from any residential zoned area and so many feet from any school, playground, place of worship, etc.

Zoning has a much more chilling affect on amateur content, than I initially realized. If you couple that with 2257 requirements that basically require you to publish your "primary place of business address", it doesn't take a genius to start some quite interesting witch hunts.

Thanks,
Mike

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

Tell me something man? if ya was a payed hit man, and you went out everyday and took care of a few contracts, like it was nothing. Then went home to your wife and kids and a bucket of maybe some KFC chicken.
it's all good? right? as long has ya didn't kill anyone in the house near the kids, right?

This is a American creation of thought, we grew up in generations that are taught pornography is wrong and is bad.
Even Pete the Porno Puppet tells are youths
"Say noo to pornaaaaaaaaaaaaagraphy"

As if pornaaaagraphy was like saying nooo to drugs "fuckin' retards"

Sex is not a sin theres nothing illegal about it, it just needs to be controlled like everything else in this country, Because Americans can't seem to learn to control things of mental or physical pleasure for them selfs, they need big brother to tell them "how much is enough!" and when to say say "no!"

Americans don't think for them selfs anymore, they have a government that does it for them now, Oh ya that reminds me...

...Happy 4th My fellow Gringos