DirectNic Demands SlicksNetwork.com Hand Over Model IDs

[sudden]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Ok lets talk about the business model of using a bogus virus scan that tells you that your machine is infected and even pops out the CD tray to encourage the surfer to get the "cure" which is nothing more than a trojan for adware.

Go ahead and talk about it. Doesn't make it the case. Putting emphasis on something, or elevating the risk more than other businesses and 'bogus' is not the same thing. And buying advertising from an ad network is not the same thing as owning the ad network. Though I understand the confusion, seeing as you have been stuck on the Lars deal for months now and still seem to think he's a partner in Zango.

Get your facts straight. Oh and maybe you should try some of the shit you keep bitching about so as to stop making a lousy $4k/mo I'm sure you'd be less interested in the business of others and their methods if you were at a decent income, like $40k/mo...

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by sudden

Go ahead and talk about it. Doesn't make it the case. Putting emphasis on something, or elevating the risk more than other businesses and 'bogus' is not the same thing. And buying advertising from an ad network is not the same thing as owning the ad network. Though I understand the confusion, seeing as you have been stuck on the Lars deal for months now and still seem to think he's a partner in Zango.

Get your facts straight. Oh and maybe you should try some of the shit you keep bitching about so as to stop making a lousy $4k/mo I'm sure you'd be less interested in the business of others and their methods if you were at a decent income, like $40k/mo...

So you think is a good business model to trick a surfer with a bogus virus scan and pop out the cd tray .... load the "fix" on the machine.. which is nothing more than a trojan for adware?

[sudden]

Originally Posted by gonzo

So you think is a good business model to trick a surfer with a bogus virus scan and pop out the cd tray .... load the "fix" on the machine.. which is nothing more than a trojan for adware?

Didn't say I did. Nor do I know who you're referring to when you mention a bogus virus scan. My point was you may want to try some ideas that you haven't tried as you're obviously not doing too well with what you're doing right now, and you seem very bitter about it complaining about what everyone else (who is doing well) is doing wrong.

And asking other's on how to do shady shit (but getting no help) doesn't count as far as trying ideas go.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by sudden

Didn't say I did. Nor do I know who you're referring to when you mention a bogus virus scan. My point was you may want to try some ideas that you haven't tried as you're obviously not doing too well with what you're doing right now, and you seem very bitter about it complaining about what everyone else (who is doing well) is doing wrong.

And asking other's on how to do shady shit (but getting no help) doesn't count as far as trying ideas go.

So you dont work for or own innovativemarketing?

[AnotherGrogan]

Hello folks

I'm not in the Adult Website business (though I've often thought about having an adult site)

I'm a user who has been going to reallyeighteen.com (and sites like it) periodically for a few years roughly and I'd like to share my perspective on this.

The problem as I perceive it is that the site doesn't really host the content, the thumbnails are redirects that pass control over to other sites and each time you click them you may end up somewhere else. The links don't always lead to the pictures shown in the thumbnails and once you get to another gallery of similar redirects you just don't know where you are going to end up if you click those links. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Grannies, kiddies, animal sex... nothing to do with the thumbnail images.

Indeed, a few times I've ended up at galleries showing pictures of what are obviously children. I haven't worried that much about it because it was very infrequent and I just closed that particular browser tab if I saw anything like that, realizing it's not really their fault once control has been passed on to another site.

Yesterday, I noticed that there was no dns for reallyeighteen. At the time I thought it was just a temporary glitch, or they were moving or something. I know how to use whois and get the authoritative nameserver and then query that to get the IP. So I did that, and set up a hosts file entry for the site so the virtual hostname would work. It seemed to be business as usual, but I hadn't been there in a few weeks.

Today, when I checked and the problem still wasn't solved I started to suspect that something like this had occurred and started to search for answers. Google has de-listed them from their databases, citing a request from chillingeffects.org. So the only info I found was from a few (questionable) spyware removal sites with instructions for cookie removal (I use Linux so I don't give a shit about Windows malware, and I always delete cookies and browsing data after visiting adult sites so that's no problem either)

A Yahoo search led me to this discussion here and now I understand what's going on. Looking again at the registrar info, I now see it's in "Registrar-hold" status (didn't read the info that closely yesterday)

From my perspective, I'll not be going back to reallyeighteen again, because I simply don't want to be associated with the stigma of "kiddie porn". I like pictures of nice young ladies in the 18-20 age range (I'm not even especially fond of "hard core"), but I'm not exposing myself to some potential overzealous and righteous ISP employee for what I might accidently land on. It really got me thinking about that. Whether charges hold up in court or not, once you've been accused of anything to do with child porn you're finished.

It's unfortunate, and I agree that this should not be the job of a domain registrar. Not only that, how the Hell can they provide ID for the models when it's not even them who has "hired" them? Maybe I'm not fully understanding how all of this works, but it seems to me that perhaps slick networks just has to be more discriminating in their afiliations. Shutting them down is inappropriate. Cripes... drop their domains and let them transfer them or re-register elsewhere if they don't approve of the content. That's where the registrar's responsibility should end. Similar for Web hosts. Drop the customer if you don't approve, but don't fuck with them.

I'm sure I'm not alone in the way I think, so this has probably really hurt them. They'll not be able to use those domain names again... they'll have to start anew. This whole thing sickens me and that domain registrar can burn in Hell. I'll certainly never use or recommend them.

Again, I do not want to encounter child porn, but this is way over the top.

[gonzo]

Anyone here doesnt think this is a huge issue now?

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Anyone here doesnt think this is a huge issue now?

I thought so the second I saw the first post on GFY. Our lawyers are reviewing everything (on the US side). As far as the Canadian side I already know where we stand (as I am currently a privacy comissioner for our former content company, we still have to hold the records even if we are not currently conducting business).

[softball]

This is huge. Has there been any rebuttal from Directnic?

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Anyone here doesnt think this is a huge issue now?

I think that's the fakest "surfer letter" I've ever seen.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by AnotherGrogan

Hello folks

I'm not in the Adult Website business (though I've often thought about having an adult site)

I'm a user who has been going to reallyeighteen.com (and sites like it) periodically for a few years roughly and I'd like to share my perspective on this.

The problem as I perceive it is that the site doesn't really host the content, the thumbnails are redirects that pass control over to other sites and each time you click them you may end up somewhere else. The links don't always lead to the pictures shown in the thumbnails and once you get to another gallery of similar redirects you just don't know where you are going to end up if you click those links. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Grannies, kiddies, animal sex... nothing to do with the thumbnail images.

Indeed, a few times I've ended up at galleries showing pictures of what are obviously children. I haven't worried that much about it because it was very infrequent and I just closed that particular browser tab if I saw anything like that, realizing it's not really their fault once control has been passed on to another site.

Yesterday, I noticed that there was no dns for reallyeighteen. At the time I thought it was just a temporary glitch, or they were moving or something. I know how to use whois and get the authoritative nameserver and then query that to get the IP. So I did that, and set up a hosts file entry for the site so the virtual hostname would work. It seemed to be business as usual, but I hadn't been there in a few weeks.

Today, when I checked and the problem still wasn't solved I started to suspect that something like this had occurred and started to search for answers. Google has de-listed them from their databases, citing a request from chillingeffects.org. So the only info I found was from a few (questionable) spyware removal sites with instructions for cookie removal (I use Linux so I don't give a shit about Windows malware, and I always delete cookies and browsing data after visiting adult sites so that's no problem either)

A Yahoo search led me to this discussion here and now I understand what's going on. Looking again at the registrar info, I now see it's in "Registrar-hold" status (didn't read the info that closely yesterday)

From my perspective, I'll not be going back to reallyeighteen again, because I simply don't want to be associated with the stigma of "kiddie porn". I like pictures of nice young ladies in the 18-20 age range (I'm not even especially fond of "hard core"), but I'm not exposing myself to some potential overzealous and righteous ISP employee for what I might accidently land on. It really got me thinking about that. Whether charges hold up in court or not, once you've been accused of anything to do with child porn you're finished.

It's unfortunate, and I agree that this should not be the job of a domain registrar. Not only that, how the Hell can they provide ID for the models when it's not even them who has "hired" them? Maybe I'm not fully understanding how all of this works, but it seems to me that perhaps slick networks just has to be more discriminating in their afiliations. Shutting them down is inappropriate. Cripes... drop their domains and let them transfer them or re-register elsewhere if they don't approve of the content. That's where the registrar's responsibility should end. Similar for Web hosts. Drop the customer if you don't approve, but don't fuck with them.

I'm sure I'm not alone in the way I think, so this has probably really hurt them. They'll not be able to use those domain names again... they'll have to start anew. This whole thing sickens me and that domain registrar can burn in Hell. I'll certainly never use or recommend them.

Again, I do not want to encounter child porn, but this is way over the top.

after reading this a few times I have to agree it looks pretty fake

then again, the one thing I hate about the internet comes into play, you never fucking know anymore

[softball]

The veracity of that letter is way suspicious.

[AnotherGrogan]

Folks, I'm not sure how I could prove it, but I'm a very real person and this was really bothering me today when I came across this discussion. I'm not even sure what you would be implying when suspecting my post as being fake. You think someone put me up to this to skew some point of discussion in this forum?

I've stated my opinion (and it's factual about the thumbnail links on the reallyeighteen site being redirects... rather obvious when I click them)

My screen name is Grogan, I've used it for around 11 years on computer help Web sites and IRC servers. I use it with honour and integrity, just as if it were my real name. Someone here was already registered as Grogan. I do not give real names or other personal info. If an administrator of this forum wishes to contact me, they may do so using the email address in my profile and I will answer any questions they may have about me. Yes, that's really me in the picture I've just uploaded as an avatar.

When I register to make a post on a forum, I do stick around a bit for follow up discussion. I've now read some other threads here too.