Jordan Capri Hoax or Not

[Toby]

Hammer, the answer is simple. Most of these girls don't have the life or business experience to see beyond the $$$ and consider the "what if's".

I doubt they really understand that a backlog of content is being built up. They just show up for shoots, answer fan email, write in their journal, do their live shows, etc.

It's only when something in their life changes that they start thinking beyond next week.

[Hammer]

I agree with you Toby, but for a company to not disclose that they are stockpiling content so they have enough for 2 years of updates after the model quits supporting the site is pretty underhanded. Of course, that sort of describes most of the companies in this business anyway, I guess.

Frankly, I think any man that exploits teenage girls like Steve does, knowing that they're hardly old enough or experienced in life enough to realize what they're doing, is pretty low.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I agree with you Toby, but for a company to not disclose that they are stockpiling content so they have enough for 2 years of updates after the model quits supporting the site is pretty underhanded. Of course, that sort of describes most of the companies in this business anyway, I guess.

Frankly, I think any man that exploits teenage girls like Steve does, knowing that they're hardly old enough or experienced in life enough to realize what they're doing, is pretty low.

So heres the deal ....

At least looking at it from the other side of the table.

Every model that Ive personally tried to shoot over an extended period of time ends up flaking out.

They got a "real job", they dont want their sorority sisters to see it or even in some cases they think they know how to do it better than you do.

Investment in any solo girl site is expensive unless you are just hiring her out for a few weeks and shooting all day/every day.

You have to pay for the location [in some cases], you have to buy outfits, you have to pay for meals and refreshments, etc etc. It does add up.

Then you have to spend time [which in my case is even more expensive] on capturing and editing video, selecting photos to be made webready, developing a character/personality that goes behind a site, planning the rollout of each set and video.

Time and money.

And in its a roll of a dice if a solo girl site with no hardcore will sell at all in a time when excess and extreme rules.

Anyone attempting to do a solo girl site should be stockpliing content if they have any business sense.

That being said.

If your going to flip the site from softcore to hardcore I dont think its very effective when your model claims to have quit the year before becasue she found God.... then her housesitter was rummaging thru her computer, found a honeymoon video, [who shot it?] , and knew enough to copy it and then turn around and post it on Youtube.

I call bullshit.

Punctuate that with a statement from Steve Lightspeed saying now they are considering releasing it for profit.

Just admit you wanted to flip the site hardcore and be done.

[Hammer]

I smell bullshit too and I fully agree with the stockpiling part and have recommended many times that anyone starting a single model site would be smart to do so, because sooner or later that model is probably going to flake out and if the site has become successful at that point and you don't have enough content to keep updating for a while, you just got screwed. However, not disclosing that to the model seems unethical to me somehow.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I smell bullshit too and I fully agree with the stockpiling part and have recommended many times that anyone starting a single model site would be smart to do so, because sooner or later that model is probably going to flake out and if the site has become successful at that point and you don't have enough content to keep updating for a while, you just got screwed. However, not disclosing that to the model seems unethical to me somehow.

Sounds like a topic for Hammer Uncut to me!

[JR]

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[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I agree with you Toby, but for a company to not disclose that they are stockpiling content so they have enough for 2 years of updates after the model quits supporting the site is pretty underhanded. Of course, that sort of describes most of the companies in this business anyway, I guess.

Frankly, I think any man that exploits teenage girls like Steve does, knowing that they're hardly old enough or experienced in life enough to realize what they're doing, is pretty low.

You completely proved with this post that you know nothing about Steve Lightspeed, the way he treats his models, or the way he does business. All Steve's girls are extremely well taken care of, well provided for and not exploited in any way. In fact, I don't think I've ever met someone more protective of his girls than Steve. Of course he would stockpile content, any person with half a brain and a solo girl site would do the same. It's called planning for contingencies and it's good business. Imagine not having an update because a model had a period, or had to have surgery, or had any number of things happen? It only makes sense.

Not to mention, most of Steve's girls have been with him for YEARS, they are his friends and he has a strong sense of loyalty. I've seen lots of solo girl site owners who have eventually forced their models to hardcore, Steve has NEVER forced his girls to do anything they didn't want, even when he would have made ridiculous amounts of money if he did.

[Hammer]

Actually Lady Mischief, you don't have a clue what I know.

What you proved is that you have a comprehension problem because I said I understand the need to stockpile. I also said it seemed the ethical thing to do in that case was to inform the model before they entered into an agreement with you.

If I enter into an agreement with a model knowing full well that there's a possibility she may have remorse later, get married to a guy that doesn't want his wife on a porn site, find religion, or whatever, it would be ethical of me to inform her that I intended to stockpile content so that in the event she did decide to pull out before the end of the contract, I would keep the website running for another two years.

[gonzo]

I love the smell of debate!

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Actually Lady Mischief, you don't have a clue what I know.

What you proved is that you have a comprehension problem because I said I understand the need to stockpile. I also said it seemed the ethical thing to do in that case was to inform the model before they entered into an agreement with you.

If I enter into an agreement with a model knowing full well that there's a possibility she may have remorse later, get married to a guy that doesn't want his wife on a porn site, find religion, or whatever, it would be ethical of me to inform her that I intended to stockpile content so that in the event she did decide to pull out before the end of the contract, I would keep the website running for another two years.

My bad, but I still strongly disagree that Steve takes advantage of his girls.. He put more than one of them through college, facilitated them owning their own homes and whatnot... He has been more than generous to them over the years.