Simple things work best when looking for sign ups.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Now tell me what makes the difference of converting at 1:200 and 1:2000.

ON EXACTLY THE SAME TRAFFIC.

The niche
The tour
The quality of the content in the tour
Exclusive content
The uniqueness of the site

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Hammer

The niche
The tour
The quality of the content in the tour
Exclusive content
The uniqueness of the site

Exactly, the thing that the "Traffic is King" band will never accept is.

They send their traffic to the guys that pay them the most. Which normally is the guys with the best content.

But I'm not sure if "The niche" explains it enough. "Understanding the niche" is better IMO.

I totally agree with this "The uniqueness of the site". No idea how many sites are out there but I would say 90% of tours look very similar to a lot of others, to the surfer.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exactly, the thing that the "Traffic is King" band will never accept is.

They send their traffic to the guys that pay them the most. Which normally is the guys with the best content.

But I'm not sure if "The niche" explains it enough. "Understanding the niche" is better IMO.

I totally agree with this "The uniqueness of the site". No idea how many sites are out there but I would say 90% of tours look very similar to a lot of others, to the surfer.

Traffic is not king. Never make that mistake. The easiest thing in this business to get is traffic. A trained gorilla can move traffic. It takes great content to attract valuable traffic. Junk traffic is worth about as much as a K-car.
GFY is full of traffic rats making a few grand a month thinking they are king of the hill. WTF cares?
So is content or traffic king? The perennial argument. The answer is simple. Content is always king. This is not a chicken or egg argument. No content. No traffic. No argument.

[OldJeff]

Said it a million times before....

Money is King

Great Content with no traffic gives you something nice to look at.

All the traffic in the world with no one to buy it makes for an empty bank account.

Money will get you all the contant and traffic you want, the secret is simply making more than you spend.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

Said it a million times before....

Money is King

Great Content with no traffic gives you something nice to look at.

All the traffic in the world with no one to buy it makes for an empty bank account.

Money will get you all the contant and traffic you want, the secret is simply making more than you spend.

Well actually in truth none of them is King.

Knowledge is the most important thing, followed by money, followed by skills, followed by talent, then in porn followed by content. If you have all these unless you hide under a rock the traffic will find you.

Money is useless if you do not have the knowledge to use it. If you have the knowledge you can find the money. Unless you're stupid which means you do not have the knowledge.

Now before someone tells me that made $10 mil without know squat, they knew enough to do it before anyone else did.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

But I'm not sure if "The niche" explains it enough. "Understanding the niche" is better IMO.

Understanding the niche is very important, but if you promote teens, big tits, porn stars or lesbians, it doesn't really matter how well you understand the niche or how great the site is, you're still competing with way too many other sites. Now, if you pick a smaller niche or come up with a new idea like Bangbus, you'll have it made. At least until everyone catches on and jumps on the bandwagon.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Understanding the niche is very important, but if you promote teens, big tits, porn stars or lesbians, it doesn't really matter how well you understand the niche or how great the site is, you're still competing with way too many other sites. Now, if you pick a smaller niche or come up with a new idea like Bangbus, you'll have it made. At least until everyone catches on and jumps on the bandwagon.

Would a niche site like Bangbus make as much if they started today?

Same "Different niche" porn level, content quality, financial backing etc. would it be a winner?

It's easy to point to a site that made is 7 years ago and say this is the way to do it, do you know how many sites failed because they did not do it right, even though they had an undeveloped niche,

Pointing to a winner of the "Derby" and saying you need a brown horse to win a horse race is only part of the story. And to be frank it's the easy part.

[Hammer]

Coming up with a new Bangbus will hardly be easy and I only use it as an example. The point is that a site with awesome exclusive teen content will do better than most teen sites, but unless it has something to make it really unique, it will never do be a sensation. Now, if you add something to make it standout, like Teen Survivor Island or something, then you'll clean up.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Coming up with a new Bangbus will hardly be easy and I only use it as an example. The point is that a site with awesome exclusive teen content will do better than most teen sites, but unless it has something to make it really unique, it will never do be a sensation. Now, if you add something to make it standout, like Teen Survivor Island or something, then you'll clean up.

I agree, but does a site need to be a sensation to succeed?

I know one site that made a profit within 6 months and now provides a very steady income for it's owners and it no sensation.

Waiting for the Bang Bus is going to make people a lot less money.

[spazlabz]

First great post for a sticky.. good Job Oprano

second, I have sent this thread to a number of people, i think the information contained in this thread is very valueable ... Thanks for the killer post Paul Markham


spaz

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I know one site that made a profit within 6 months and now provides a very steady income for it's owners and it no sensation.

Sure, it's not impossible to make a decent living from a decent site, but my original answer to you was in response to your question asking the difference between a site that converts at 1:2000 and one that converts at 1:200. I seriously doubt that an average site can convert at 1:200 without exclusive content and either extremely good content, or something unusual that grabs someone by the balls and doesn't let go until they pull out their credit card.