My word on the bannings and incidents (for whatever it is worth)

[Jace]

First, let me state that I am not a person that agrees with bannings either...the only time I like to see people banned is when someone registers a fake nick and abuses people for no reason, that is cowardly and deserves to be gone

When I said earlier I was leaving Oprano, I meant it the same way I mean it most of the time, and that is just that I would be leaving for a while to let things settle and come back when the dust cleared. I knew they route those guys were in the process of taking and I didn't want to be any part of it, I left GFY for a good reason and while I didn't appreciate some of the comments that were made in my direction earlier today, i also know it wouldn't have offended me so badly if it wasn't partially true at least some time in my past.

The past few months have been difficult for me, working 12-14 hours days to build up a reputation in this biz as a solid, knowledegable webmaster that is serious about business and ready to make some money...I feel like I have achieved that, and finally some important people and companies in this biz know my name and respect my position, so when some people that have been in this biz slightly longer than I have bash me and poke fun, it hits a little harder than I would like it, and while I don't feel that people like that should be censored, I also don't think that if they were secure enough in themselves and their life they would do that.

1 year ago, anyone that saw me on GFY would know that was a negative asshole who thought he knew it all, that person is gone...I purposely put myself in a position on March 6th 2006 to start from scratch and learn everything there is in the paysite realm once again....and with starting from scratch comes stupid questions and looking like a newbie, because the times I have done the paysite thing before I was arrogant and thought I could do it all myself, and I learned the hard way. I can promote the hell out of YOUR program and make you good money, but I am just getting the hang of promoting my OWN paysite and making myself money....and since I sold everything else that was making me money off, I am now working for myself, promoting myself (and my wife)....

The only thing I ask of the assholes of the board, is respect me and what I am trying to do, and poke at it and push buttons on it, if you can't respect me, just don't talk to me, I don't need it and don't have time for it, which is why I just left this morning instead of fighting about it....I don't mind the assholes, just show some respect for someone that is working hard to be were you were years ago...and ANYONE that knows me personally knows how damn hard I am working at all this, and if you dedicated your life to making something work.

wouldn't it bother you if some people that made millions at the same thing you are doing pushed and poked at you while you tried to make it happen, and then when they have you on the floor because you are pissed they kick you and tar and feather you? that is how I felt....call me thinned skinned, call me whatever, that is just how I am.

I am asking Bishop for the unbanning of Anthony and Nick, because I think they have the professionalism and respect to understand my position and treat me and others accordingly, because they too were once in the same position. If I am wrong I am sorry, but I don't think I am.

[Trev]

Damn! That's an outstanding post. I wish you all the success in the world with your site Jace.

[Robin]

Jace,

You batted the ball back into the old-timers' court

When I was a newbie I can assure you I too was at the end of Serge's savage tongue (er keyboard that is)...

And I consider it quite an honor - well, now I do - but then I thought he was a f***ing piece of s**t

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Robin

Jace,

You batted the ball back into the old-timers' court

When I was a newbie I can assure you I too was at the end of Serge's savage tongue (er keyboard that is)...

And I consider it quite an honor - well, now I do - but then I thought he was a f***ing piece of s**t

I don't know why you keep brininng up serge, nothing he said offended me or bothered me...I have known how serge is for years and he never crossed me, I know he is all in jest

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Jace

I don't know why you keep brininng up serge, nothing he said offended me or bothered me...I have known how serge is for years and he never crossed me, I know he is all in jest

It's the bar that was set, then it was Serge these days (in fact even back then) it's people like Nickatilynx.

Only fools don't lend even half an ear to him... trust me I know.

[Robin]

Oh, you mean who *started* it?

Ahh, we'll he can be a sh*****d too - same thing really - just a bit more venomous sometimes

Hey, I don't need to say it, JR told you... "be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames."...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Jace

I don't know why you keep brininng up serge, nothing he said offended me or bothered me...I have known how serge is for years and he never crossed me, I know he is all in jest

..and this is your loss.
All smart ones with huge EGO who I have crossed have made millions just to made me look foolish!


I meet them for dinner nowadays

[softball]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

..and this is your loss.
All smart ones with huge EGO who I have crossed have made millions just to made me look foolish!


I meet them for dinner nowadays

more bollocks

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Robin

Jace,

You batted the ball back into the old-timers' court

When I was a newbie I can assure you I too was at the end of Serge's savage tongue (er keyboard that is)...

And I consider it quite an honor - well, now I do - but then I thought he was a f***ing piece of s**t

..and you had to make millions just to prove me wrong , haven;t you!?

[JR]

[JR]

jace, i think you are a nice guy and sincere. i mean this in a nice way... you can't demand respect. respect is earned. respect is not about money. by "respect" i don't mean by how much money you made/make or how long you have been around but by how you carry yourself as a person. you always have to bear some responsibility for your behavior and understand that people are also reacting to you. you can't demand that people have a certain opinion of you or that they treat you in a certain way... you shape their opinions through your words and actions.

is serge a prick? yeah... most would agree he is.
is mike? well.. he's staunch republican and thats close enough
is nick? anthony? me? sure... and so what? this is not elementary school where we are all learning to interact with the other kids. we are all adults here and most have learned that life is a road pave with assholes and the ignorant. its just something you tolerate as you get from point a to point b. many here think i am a cynical asshole. thats ok with me because i am big enough to accept responsibility for it. i understand it, i understand why, i understand what i have done to give people that impression of me.

do you want to know a secret to shutting people down who are trying to piss with you on a message board?? take the high ground. be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames. don't attack knowing its going to draw the aggression of someone who is just looking for a few moments of free entertainment at your expense.

most importantly, don't take shit so seriously. you are not working any harder than anyone else ever did. you are not special, you are not less of a person, you are not more. you are one more guy struggling to make money like everyone else is and has. mike, myself and many others quit this biz because it is a massive struggle on every level and its a business that demands you spend the majority of your time fighting fires and stressing about life and death issues rather than focusing on actual growth. serge finally got tired of waking up in the early a.m. to start the shave machine. everyone has been there. it wasn't easy for anyone and it isn't getting easier. i worked 14hrs or more a day, 7 days a week for quite a few years until i burned out completely... you are not doing yourself any favors by thinking you are going to get sympathy for how hard you work. we have all been there and we know its not easy.

always remember that to most of the people you are offended by, to them, its all just pixels on a monitor.

[Trev]

I've got to post this from a thread on Xnations from a guy I call a true friend as he can't post it here for himself:

Bishop, God bless his soul has another goal for Oprano. I really wish him the best, he's been a good mate of mine for years. Unfortuantely, he can't take being burned, never could.

Being bored today watching money roll in, I hit the yellow trail.
Ken is starting to take this whole Bishop personna too seriously. So, it was my duty to bring him back to earth.

Him banning Nick was stupid as shit, Hell banning me was stupid.

Ken was never a pisser, really. So banning is really the only way.

On a side note, I bet I could teach Jace how to make money in this business.

[Sabby]

Jace I think you are a really great guy. Tabitha is lucky to have you to work so hard on her site. I love your posts.

And I wouldnt ever classify you or Rcourt in the same category as Rhetorical. He is a true idiot and there is a reason he has been banned from every board (especially Amateur Masters). The guy has changed his name at least 10 times and has a history and a bad reputation in this business that goes way back. He's in a league of his own.


Sabby

[softball]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Jace I think you are a really great guy. Tabitha is lucky to have you to work so hard on her site. I love your posts.

And I wouldnt ever classify you or Rcourt in the same category as Rhetorical. He is a true idiot and there is a reason he has been banned from every board (especially Amateur Masters). The guy has changed his name at least 10 times and has a history and a bad reputation in this business that goes way back. He's in a league of his own.


Sabby

Sabby,you have a worse reputation in this business, because you can't do business. You have sunk more sites than than the French navy. You have no idea how to run a web business. Your history is clear. You have been lying about me "stalking" you for years. Yeah, I know we have history, but you lie. I do not.

As for "banning nick" Nick flipped the switch a couple of times himself. I was a prime candidate because I pointed out all his bullshit and he seriously disliked that. You know the cars, the property, the trips, the seriously junk traffic he pumped up the Oprano numbers with. You think sponsors want to pay for traffic sent from bullshit pharma sites or teeny sites? So now he got the knife. So sad, too bad. What goes around, comes around and we all know he will be back. Its the freeking internet.
However, as for the big players here with big advice. Now that is another story. A lot of these guys made money in the past being barely legal (now illegal) and trashing the adult business to the point it is only now recovering. They were out and out spammers.
So if any one of them started out today, they would be fucked with a capital F. There are only a couple with any modicum of current success.
So the point I would make is who the fuck cares if they stick around or not. It is a brave new world where solid fundamental business principals apply....just like on the high street. The scamming get rich quick days are over. Finito.
There is a whole new generation of smart entrepreneurs that need to be cultivated and that is where the business will come from. Not from the cowboys who tell when we stories that are entertaining but have zero relevance in today's world.
Look at Anthony crowing about making 30K in a month. I would guess he hasn't done that in years. And that is not a lot in the scheme of things. There is a lot of money in porn. Don't listen to those morons who prattle on about their mainstream aspirations. If you even say mainstream, it probably isn't. It most likely is some idiot fake rolex or weird pharma spam scheme.
That is just how I see the world that we live and work in.
There are those who succeed, but there are many, many more who crash and burn. But the opportunities are enormous and this board has the opportunity to cash in on the new talent that is just coming onstream at the moment. WTF would you want to frighten them off with a bunch of irracible old has beens pontificating about the good old days?

[Robin]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

...here is a whole new generation of smart entrepreneurs that need to be cultivated and that is where the business will come from...

So, what have you entrepreneured lately?

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Sabby,you have a worse reputation in this business, because you can't do business. You have sunk more sites than than the French navy. You have no idea how to run a web business. Your history is clear. You have been lying about me "stalking" you for years. Yeah, I know we have history, but you lie. I do not.

As for "banning nick" Nick flipped the switch a couple of times himself. I was a prime candidate because I pointed out all his bullshit and he seriously disliked that. You know the cars, the property, the trips, the seriously junk traffic he pumped up the Oprano numbers with. You think sponsors want to pay for traffic sent from bullshit pharma sites or teeny sites? So now he got the knife. So sad, too bad. What goes around, comes around and we all know he will be back. Its the freeking internet.
However, as for the big players here with big advice. Now that is another story. A lot of these guys made money in the past being barely legal (now illegal) and trashing the adult business to the point it is only now recovering. They were out and out spammers.
So if any one of them started out today, they would be fucked with a capital F. There are only a couple with any modicum of current success.
So the point I would make is who the fuck cares if they stick around or not. It is a brave new world where solid fundamental business principals apply....just like on the high street. The scamming get rich quick days are over. Finito.
There is a whole new generation of smart entrepreneurs that need to be cultivated and that is where the business will come from. Not from the cowboys who tell when we stories that are entertaining but have zero relevance in today's world.
Look at Anthony crowing about making 30K in a month. I would guess he hasn't done that in years. And that is not a lot in the scheme of things. There is a lot of money in porn. Don't listen to those morons who prattle on about their mainstream aspirations. If you even say mainstream, it probably isn't. It most likely is some idiot fake rolex or weird pharma spam scheme.
That is just how I see the world that we live and work in.
There are those who succeed, but there are many, many more who crash and burn. But the opportunities are enormous and this board has the opportunity to cash in on the new talent that is just coming onstream at the moment. WTF would you want to frighten them off with a bunch of irracible old has beens pontificating about the good old days?

Tom Cruise wants to eat his babies placenta, how many placentas have you eaten Graham?

30 grand a month, I wonder why that chink kept bringing thta number up, now i know.
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showp...&postcount=105

Your wife makes more than that, she shou;ld teach Goinzo.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Trev

On a side note, I bet I could teach Jace how to make money in this business.[/b]

and I love learning...let me him know that anytime anywhere I will welcome him

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Jace

and I love learning...let me him know that anytime anywhere I will welcome him

If he ever gets to/or comes back here then I'm sure it'll happen... personally I'd drop a post over at the non censored http://www.xnations.com as he aint banned or censored over there.

Ok kids I'm outie for sleep

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

jace, i think you are a nice guy and sincere. i mean this in a nice way... you can't demand respect. respect is earned. respect is not about money. by "respect" i don't mean by how much money you made/make or how long you have been around but by how you carry yourself as a person. you always have to bear some responsibility for your behavior and understand that people are also reacting to you. you can't demand that people have a certain opinion of you or that they treat you in a certain way... you shape their opinions through your words and actions.

is serge a prick? yeah... most would agree he is.
is mike? well.. he's staunch republican and thats close enough
is nick? anthony? me? sure... and so what? this is not elementary school where we are all learning to interact with the other kids. we are all adults here and most have learned that life is a road pave with assholes and the ignorant. its just something you tolerate as you get from point a to point b. many here think i am a cynical asshole. thats ok with me because i am big enough to accept responsibility for it. i understand it, i understand why, i understand what i have done to give people that impression of me.

do you want to know a secret to shutting people down who are trying to piss with you on a message board?? take the high ground. be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames. don't attack knowing its going to draw the aggression of someone who is just looking for a few moments of free entertainment at your expense.

most importantly, don't take shit so seriously. you are not working any harder than anyone else ever did. you are not special, you are not less of a person, you are not more. you are one more guy struggling to make money like everyone else is and has. mike, myself and many others quit this biz because it is a massive struggle on every level and its a business that demands you spend the majority of your time fighting fires and stressing about life and death issues rather than focusing on actual growth. serge finally got tired of waking up in the early a.m. to start the shave machine. everyone has been there. it wasn't easy for anyone and it isn't getting easier. i worked 14hrs or more a day, 7 days a week for quite a few years until i burned out completely... you are not doing yourself any favors by thinking you are going to get sympathy for how hard you work. we have all been there and we know its not easy.

always remember that to most of the people you are offended by, to them, its all just pixels on a monitor.

wow, you took what I said COMPLETELY wrong. I would NEVER demand respect out of anyone, ever. In fact I hate it when people demand respect from me for whatever reason they feel is important, that is just silly.

as for carrying myself. I try to be the most articulate and professional person as possible, if that doesn't call for respect, than I give up...and to be honest, respect is a bad word to use, I just want courtesy, the same courtesy I give others.....and while I am on the topic, respect is something I give EVERYONE, no matter what...I feel that in life as long as you live it and don't hurt other humans, you will be a truely good person, and not hurting other means respecting life, no matter when and where, and I try my best to do that...

I have not seen anything from serge that warrants him being a prick, I see him lash out at people, but anyone who has the smallest brain can see that is from insecurity, and that is not something to get mad about, that is kind of sad.

Mike is just fun to listen too, he has a lot of great views on things that make life enjoyable...I may not agree, but I enjoy

I don't want to have to adjust my way of life for someone else that is obviously negative because of some insecurity they have, I just rank them right up there with p1mpdogg and Amp from GFY...and if they get to me, I step back and hopefully when I come back they will have cooled off....I am not going to let someone insult me, that is just a wacky way to think...if someone walks up to my wife and calls her a whore I sure as hell aren't going to fight them (i don't fight), but I will make sure they are dealt with.

as for taking shit too seriously, sorry man, anything that I put my life on the line for will be taken seriously....and you are right, I am sure they worked really hard to be were they are, so why can't they respect someone who is doing the same? I don't care about sympathy whatsoever, I just would like courtesy, and if someone can't show that then they have larger issues to deal with than insulting me on a message board.

i think you read entirely too deeply into my original post...the jist of it was, I want other to show me the same respect I show them, I don't demand it I just ask for it, and if they can't do that then oh well, but I don't think anyone should be censored for it

[JR]

Originally Posted by Jace

as for taking shit too seriously, sorry man, anything that I put my life on the line for will be taken seriously....and you are right, I am sure they worked really hard to be were they are, so why can't they respect someone who is doing the same? I don't care about sympathy whatsoever, I just would like courtesy, and if someone can't show that then they have larger issues to deal with than insulting me on a message board.

that was my point about taking things seriously. you are offended by the words and attitudes of people that think don't respect you or don't show you respect. "why can't they respect me because..........." well... who cares? you shouldn't care. a mature person wouldn't care. you can't possibly be that fragile or sensitive and have blue hair at the same time!

if you think they have nothing to do but to just insult you on a messageboard... well, then you have already summed them up and have no reason to be concerned about their opinions. its not like you are trying to gain the respect of someone that matters or that will actually offer you useful help in business.

its all just pixels on a monitor... nothing else.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by JR

that was my point about taking things seriously. you are offended by the words and attitudes of people that think don't respect you or don't show you respect. "why can't they respect me because..........." well... who cares? you shouldn't care. a mature person wouldn't care. you can't possibly be that fragile or sensitive and have blue hair at the same time!

if you think they have nothing to do but to just insult you on a messageboard... well, then you have already summed them up and have no reason to be concerned about their opinions. its not like you are trying to gain the respect of someone that matters or that will actually offer you useful help in business.

its all just pixels on a monitor... nothing else.

point taken, and I agree 100%

[sudden]

Originally Posted by Jace

point taken, and I agree 100%

How you can not know how to do an exit console AND not know how to use google to find out is beyond me ;\ Now, that can be excused.. but why get so fucking riled up by what ANYONE says?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by JR

jace, i think you are a nice guy and sincere. do you want to know a secret to shutting people down who are trying to piss with you on a message board?? take the high ground. be professional. don't respond... don't fan the flames.

..or be like rhetorical and you will ALWAYS find somebody to talk about aborted fetuses

[JR]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

..or be like rhetorical and you will ALWAYS find somebody to talk about aborted fetuses

now we know why he is a few Graham crackers short of a full box!

[softball]

Originally Posted by JR

now we know why he is a few Graham crackers short of a full box!

Yeah, jesse.....how's the mag? LMFAO

[Sabby]

Rhetorical is too much of an idiot to even know how much of an idiot he really is. It's rather sad actually and sometimes I even feel sorry for him.



Sabby

[softball]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

..or be like rhetorical and you will ALWAYS find somebody to talk about aborted fetuses

yawn....

[gonzo]

Glad to see youve moved into the realm of a businessman. I look forward to doing even more business with you in the future.

In the meantime...Im headed out to shoot the 2nd model youve referred to us. Theres a FFN dinner with your name and the Missus on it whenever you care to redeeem it.

[Mike AI]

If you have not been beat on by Serge, then you ARE a nobody.

I have e-mails from Serge in 1996 telling me what an IDIIIIOT I was, and I would never make a dime in the business. He also called me a stupid bitch, and thought my name was Melissa.

Jace, I like you. I actually take the time to read most of your posts...

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

If you have not been beat on by Serge, then you ARE a nobody.

I have e-mails from Serge in 1996 telling me what an IDIIIIOT I was, and I would never make a dime in the business. He also called me a stupid bitch, and thought my name was Melissa.

Jace, I like you. I actually take the time to read most of your posts...

hahahhaha,
MikeAI is one of those I was talking about!!!!

Now not we just meet for dinners, we also COOK dinners together!!!!!
( mostly at his 4 mils house, mine is too small

[softball]

http://sexwithsabrina.com/
Here is Sabby's tanked website.....

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

http://sexwithsabrina.com/
Here is Sabby's tanked website.....

And ironically it was probably making more than yours is back then when I decided it wasnt worth the hassel to spend any time on it.


Sabby

[softball]

Originally Posted by Sabby

And ironically it was probably making more than yours is back then when I decided it wasnt worth the hassel to spend any time on it.


Sabby

Not a chance. Kid, you don't know shit from the internet. You have been trying for years with no luck at all. The best you ever got was a free ticket to amsterdam or something. Can't remember what it was you were crowing about back then.
You tanked that site fair and square. Bottom line, there was no interest in it, so it folded. Like about ten of your sites that you couldn't market.

[softball]

So let me get this straight....now really kids....no bullshit here....Do you actually think that 30K is large? Seriously...you actually think that this is a hugely successful amount to earn in only.....one month? Please weigh in on this. Lets see who is who here.
Sabby, you ever made that?

[Robin]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

So let me get this straight....now really kids....no bullshit here....Do you actually think that 30K is large? Seriously...you actually think that this is a hugely successful amount to earn in only.....one month? Please weigh in on this. Lets see who is who here.
Sabby, you ever made that?

Well, it was only small fry, but between 1997 and 2000 ABC-web was making an average of $200K a month - does that count?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Robin

Well, it was only small fry, but between 1997 and 2000 ABC-web was making an average of $200K a month - does that count?

Your use of the past tense says it all. When we stories. Today, dude...
You know when you gotta do it legally. Hell anyone can sell crack and get rich. So no it does not count. Talk in the present tense if you wanna be relevant. You can't do business like that anymore. The feds got wise and so did the customers. That shit almost wrecked the business, so it is not something to be admired nor emulated.

[Robin]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Your use of the past tense says it all. When we stories. Today, dude...
You know when you gotta do it legally. Hell anyone can sell crack and get rich. So no it does not count. Talk in the present tense if you wanna be relevant. You can't do business like that anymore. The feds got wise and so did the customers. That shit almost wrecked the business, so it is not something to be admired nor emulated.

There's nothing *past* about me - I am close to making what I did in the late 90s but in bricks and mortar stuff - just repeating the formula - innovating where I see little progress.

Dunno why I hang around here sometimes really.

Oh yes I do ... people like you

[softball]

Originally Posted by Robin

There's nothing *past* about me - I am close to making what I did in the late 90s but in bricks and mortar stuff - just repeating the formula - innovating where I see little progress.

Dunno why I hang around here sometimes really.

Oh yes I do ... people like you

That's nice Robin. I am so happy for your success in the real world of bricks and mortar. Lots of us make money in bricks and mortar. That is easy. It is a tried and true formula. Safe as houses, actually.

[sarettah]

Yum

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

So let me get this straight....now really kids....no bullshit here....Do you actually think that 30K is large? Seriously...you actually think that this is a hugely successful amount to earn in only.....one month? Please weigh in on this. Lets see who is who here.
Sabby, you ever made that?

I will be the first to say $30k a month would be excellent money for me...shit, $15k a month would be fine with me...I am a simple man though, I have a car that is 15 years old and beat up, not because I can't afford another I just don't care to have one, I rarely drive and just don't see the need in anything fancy.

being rich is relative, while $30k a month may not be making buttloads of money to you, $30k a month would put me in a position to never have to work again, and whatever children I eventually adopt will not have to work either...$30k a month to me, is well, being rich, and if I had that kind of money I would not move, I would do nothing new, I would just invest invest invest....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

I will be the first to say $30k a month would be excellent money for me...

You are far from the only one

[Vick]

I gave the matter about the 6 seconds of thought it deserved and ......

.... believe I could make more money with Sabby than rhetorical


and in the 30 K a month dick slinging contest does it count if I did 2K a day ;-)

how about a thread on how much was pissed away ah ha ha ha ha

and mine was not pissed on drugs, whores or insane parties

and I'm still the biggest idiot on the internet

[Winetalk.com]

she gives him enough to buy condoms to avoid more abortions

[Jace]

ok, the curiosity is killing me...who was/is rhetoricals wife? was she a porn star or something?

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by Jace

ok, the curiosity is killing me...who was/is rhetoricals wife? was she a porn star or something?

Here is one of her better pics:



http://www.ffstockings.com


Sabby

[Winetalk.com]

her trying piss away Graham's fetus is my favorite:

[Jace]

for the first time in months, I am at a loss for words

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by Jace

for the first time in months, I am at a loss for words

you are not alone...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...23#post9714923

[Winetalk.com]

whoops, I spoke too soon...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622

[Winetalk.com]

..and your wife is loved a lot on GFY

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=599622