Some good news on war?

[PornoDoggy]

Zawahiri's death would be a minor victory in the war on terror. It will do nothing for the situation in Iraq. It will do little against the overall worldwide threat of terrorism. It probably won't even do much for the situation in much of Afganistan.

Al Quaida is a difficult sort of critter for Americans to comprehend. We are used to linear organizations, where cutting off the head will kill it.

JR - IF the U.S. invasion does in fact install democracy in Iraq, then what you say could have some merit atsom point in the future. At this moment, however, the situation in Iraq reminds me more of post-communist Yugosolvia than of a pre-democratic state.

I also wish to propose the death penalty for anyone quoting Cher lyrics.

[softball]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Zawahiri's death would be a minor victory in the war on terror. It will do nothing for the situation in Iraq. It will do little against the overall worldwide threat of terrorism. It probably won't even do much for the situation in much of Afganistan.

Al Quaida is a difficult sort of critter for Americans to comprehend. We are used to linear organizations, where cutting off the head will kill it.

JR - IF the U.S. invasion does in fact install democracy in Iraq, then what you say could have some merit atsom point in the future. At this moment, however, the situation in Iraq reminds me more of post-communist Yugosolvia than of a pre-democratic state.

I also wish to propose the death penalty for anyone quoting Cher lyrics.

I gotta agree with you on this one. Mike, however, has done another drive by so there will be no response, because he does not have one. It is what neocons do. When McCarthy did it, it was called the big lie. It has returned.

[JR]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

JR - IF the U.S. invasion does in fact install democracy in Iraq, then what you say could have some merit atsom point in the future. At this moment, however, the situation in Iraq reminds me more of post-communist Yugosolvia than of a pre-democratic state.

i like that "if.... does in fact install democracy in iraq"

they are having elections and have been for some time. have a new constitution, legal system etc etc etc and you guys talk as if it's not happening and didn't happen. is it perfect? who knows. thats not really my point. its there. it wasnt before. is a dictatorship ran by a ruthless murderer being tried for numerous counts of genocide against his own people a good thing and better than an elected government and constitution??? well..... call me silly, but i kinda think it might not be. does it mean the war was a good thing? am i arguing that? no. just pointing out that significant changes are happening and more people are voting in iraq and for their future than americans do.

PD, hate Bush. Oppose the war. Thats all fine. But these things are in fact happening whether they agree or not with your arguments and general point of view on Bush or Rumsfeld or Cheny or Powell or Allah or christmas elves

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by JR

i like that "if.... does in fact install democracy in iraq"

they are having elections and have been for some time. have a new constitution, legal system etc etc etc and you guys talk as if it's not happening and didn't happen. is it perfect? who knows. thats not really my point. its there. it wasnt before. is a dictatorship ran by a ruthless murderer being tried for numerous counts of genocide against his own people a good thing and better than an elected government and constitution??? well..... call me silly, but i kinda think it might not be. does it mean the war was a good thing? am i arguing that? no. just pointing out that significant changes are happening and more people are voting in iraq and for their future than americans do.

PD, hate Bush. Oppose the war. Thats all fine. But these things are in fact happening whether they agree or not with your arguments and general point of view on Bush or Rumsfeld or Cheny or Powell or Allah or christmas elves

I recognize what is happening in Iraq today, and there are some positive signs - but it is far to soon to be making another carrier landing. Nothing would please me more than for people to be able to say, five years after U.S. troops are withdrawn, how wrong I have been.

You will, however, forgive an old man his memories. I remember reading something like this in the papers and hoping it meant that the older brothers of some my friends could stay home.

United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of the turnout in ... election[s] despite a ... terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.

BTW ... that was when I was a teenager. Replace ... with South Vietnam and Vietcong (respectively) in the above, and you've got what the philosopher Yogi Berra calls "deja vu all over again."

Like Will Rogers said, "all I know is what I read in the papers." My skepticism over the situation in Iraq comes from what I perceive the actual situation on the ground in Iraq to be. You are welcome to assume that my refusal to don rose-colored glasses all stems from my "hatred" of Bush.