Bush is wrong, again!!

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by JR

thats the oldest and dumbest argument that has existed since the dawn of civilization. rogue regimes are going to act like rogue regimes no matter what conventions the civilized world abides by.

if you stopped and thought for 2 seconds about your arguement you would realize that the inverse would also be true in that others would not torture for fear of their own being tortured.

the US is stepping backwards? really? by passing ANOTHER law against torture? there are tons of laws and international agreements against torture right now. who in government is saying it shoudl be allowed? do you know what "torture" is today? stupid shit like sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation etc. big fucking deal. no one is talking about breaking bones and electrical shocks to the genitals. kill 3000 people in a terrorist attack and someone keeps you awake for a few days. boooo fucking hoooo!

Life is really simple in JR's world.

The law passed by Congress this week was only necessary because the Bush Administration has taken us backwards in our adherence to many treaties, the Geneva conventions on treatment of prisoners being only one of them.

How much sleep or sensory deprivation have you undergone? What is your level of expertise in being treated like a prisoner?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have any objections to removing the genitals of an individual responsible for a terrorist attack with a very dull knife over a long period of time.

Not sure I would object to that same treatment for the individuals responsible for allowing terrorists the opportunity to operate realtively freely in Iraq, either.

I do have a problem with the United States being responsible for such treatment, or sleep and sensory deprivation, etc., because somebody happened to be walking down the wrong street at the wrong time, or because somebody's neighbor was still pissed off about the party last week and informed on them.

[JR]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

I do have a problem with the United States being responsible for such treatment, or sleep and sensory deprivation, etc., because somebody happened to be walking down the wrong street at the wrong time, or because somebody's neighbor was still pissed off about the party last week and informed on them.

the world is an imperfect place. people also get struck by lightning. so what? thats like saying "what happens if you get convicted of murder and sentenced to death"... well... it would suck. and? the system is not perfect and cannot be no matter what measures you put in place to protect the innocent and the rights of terrorists.

oh... "yeah, well what if it was you?" you are going to say as if that argument hasn't been heard a million times. well... since i know the odds are about 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 that i will be suspected of terrorism, i dont care. i did not go study in afghanistan. i did not frequent any terrorist camps. i did not make suspicious trips to chechnya. i dont frequent mosques and hang with known supporters of terrorist networks, i dont fly back and forth to syria and i dont bring box cutters on commercial flights.

oh... you are suggesting that people can just be nabbed at random without cause or warrants or anything and then be tortured? PDworld sounds like a scary place. a place where all reality ceases to exist and everyones worst paranoias become the rule of law.

and besides.... lets not pretend that no one is accountable when a mistake is made... and it just happens all the time. or are you going to further your argument by suggesting that not only will this person be mistakenly nabbed on the street for no reason at all with no supporting evidence and documents or a warrant, then be tortured... and then will be murdered with his body dissapearing?

arguments like this are not about 1000's of mistakes. they are about an occasional mistake. so what? how many people are sitting on death row right now that are innocent? MANY MORE than will be abducted by men in black and tortured for information they dont have. maybe we should be worrying about that first? but then again its not something you are worried can happen to you since you don't envision yourself standing outside a bar, drunk and holding a murder weapon anytime soon.

(ps... my tone sounds really shitty... its just for effect. i am just really joking around out of boredom for the sake of entertainment)