If you have children, read this thread

[gigi]

It's already all been said, so, I'll just say great idea voodoo! I'd use it for sure....best of luck with it!

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Jen says Thanx Morgan

Cap'n Kirk.......

Was just yakking with my better half and she indicated that something 7mm could be incorporated into just about anything jewelrywise.

But it also kicked off something in my head as to the marketability of this thing you got there )) There is (imho) a potential market for this thing for adults. With all the different folks disappearing etc there is a chance to market this to people just so someone in the family can find out the last place they were.

that version would not have to be "nonremovable" per se, because the person would be wearing it by choice. They put on their "gps" earrings, go to the computer and tell the site that they are heading out for the evening and to keep track of them, etc...

Also, elderly, alzheimers patients... all sorts of possibillities ther my friend

This device is universal, children, elderly, whoever. The band is adjustable sort of like a watch band, but has inserts instead of one band with holes. I will post pics as soon as I get them back from our Attorney.

[Red]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Also, elderly, alzheimers patients... all sorts of possibillities ther my friend

That's a wonderful idea.


Also, how about putting them in the tips of shoelaces for those kids who don't want to wear bracelets?

[pushpills]

"steve, my new diamond earrings keep beeping"

"hmm, battery must be low"

[Red]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Red,
As I debated with myself as to use that wording Big Brother, I chose to go ahead with it hoping it would serve as an example more than action. After reading what you said, I think I will change it. Thank You!!!

You're welcome.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Morgan, Even if the band is cut off, a signal is instantly sent to our company which will then contact local law enforcement to issue an Amber Alert.
I also agree with you on the fingerprinting. As a police officer, I fingerprint hundreds of kids a year and think to myself, what real good is this doing. This idea was created from those thoughts, people need prevention, not identification.

This has potential that you've only begun to tap.
The news has too many alerts on elderly people wandering off here. (San Diego is a great place to retire for a lot of Navy people.)
I'd certainly get one for my pets. Especially if they were available when we made the cross country trip out here.
It would also be great for certain health problems. Diabetics can reach a state where their blood sugar is so low their behavior can be mistaken for drunkeness or even psychosis. The next stage is a diabetic coma. The one after that is death.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by wig

VM,

Go with monthly recurring... you will get more ppl who will avoid the annual price and you will make more money over time.

Any idea what the going rate may be? I saw you said around $100 for the one-time item cost. How about the ongoing subscription rate?

Oh, we'll be happy to provide the ACH processing. ;-)))

Wow, Wig, nice to hear from you.
The device its self is estimated to cost the end user $100.00 but not sure yet. As for monthly recurring, This is a guesstimate, but if you choose 40 locates a month it will be around $20.00/month. 60 locates for 30 and 80 for 40.00/month with a small fee if you go over the number of locates in a month so it will be a monthly recurring plan.
When we get setup, I will be in contact with you.

[Anthony]

How can I invest?

[selena]

Parent of two boys here, and one of an age that the product would be good for.

As a parent, I really like the notion.

One thing that came to mind when I read though.

I think you'd want to make it so they could add skins, or do whatever to disguise what it is. Not so the kids will buy into them as being trendy and cool to wear. (though that isn't a bad thing)

But what popped into my mind was this. Someone has been watching this child they want to grab. Say they planned to molest then release. And they grab the child. And they see that the child has one of these devices (imagining that it is obvious as to what it is) So the plan now becomes molestation and murder, because they freak thinking the police are going to show up.

I may not have worded that well, so my apologies if it isn't clear. But I see reasons to make the device as inobtrusive as possible, and they don't have anything to do with getting your child to wear it.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Red

That's a wonderful idea.


Also, how about putting them in the tips of shoelaces for those kids who don't want to wear bracelets?

Great Idea, but would be better inside the sole of the shoe. Problem with both ideas then becomes shock, and not from electricity, but constant pounding when they run, jump etc...
Without attatching it to the person somehow, like our bracelet, you lose the safety of it being tamper proof. Yes, if a child was kidnapped with a chip in their shoes, belt etc. they could be tracked, unless they kidnappers take the shoes off and throw them out the window while driving away from the scene. As I and others have mentioned, the possiblities are endless, regretfully I cannot afford to pursue all ideas, YET. The other thing is money, I know that this will make money, but Im more excited over the idea of this device WORKING just one time and saving a childs life. That would be worth all the hard work I have done getting this off the ground.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by selena

Parent of two boys here, and one of an age that the product would be good for.

As a parent, I really like the notion.

One thing that came to mind when I read though.

I think you'd want to make it so they could add skins, or do whatever to disguise what it is. Not so the kids will buy into them as being trendy and cool to wear. (though that isn't a bad thing)

But what popped into my mind was this. Someone has been watching this child they want to grab. Say they planned to molest then release. And they grab the child. And they see that the child has one of these devices (imagining that it is obvious as to what it is) So the plan now becomes molestation and murder, because they freak thinking the police are going to show up.

I may not have worded that well, so my apologies if it isn't clear. But I see reasons to make the device as inobtrusive as possible, and they don't have anything to do with getting your child to wear it.

Or it can be a deterrant.

[voodooman]

sare,
I didn't forget you, Im just trying to figure a way to make the jewlery thing work.
Even being 7mm, thats a bit big for earrings. They do make smaller chips, but they are BIG $$$.

Ill email you.

[selena]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Or it can be a deterrant.

I agree it would be a pre-grab deterrant if the kidnapper saw it prior to the snatch.

I was just thinking of them knowing what the device was, and not seeing it on the child until after they already had snatched them.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by Anthony

How can I invest?

Will let you know in 2 weeks.

[sextoyking]

If it was me Voodo I wouldn't use the "holloway" name.... Sure there is Amber alert, etc but I would do my own name, etc and mabey you could get someone like her or someone with a CLOSED case for promo, but even then a bit tacky.

I'm all for any kind of marketing but in her case the matter isn't even over, nor has the girl or her body been found...

Also, I would stay away from "big brother" if it was me.... there is bad stigmas / associations to that term??

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by selena

Parent of two boys here, and one of an age that the product would be good for.

As a parent, I really like the notion.

One thing that came to mind when I read though.

I think you'd want to make it so they could add skins, or do whatever to disguise what it is. Not so the kids will buy into them as being trendy and cool to wear. (though that isn't a bad thing)

But what popped into my mind was this. Someone has been watching this child they want to grab. Say they planned to molest then release. And they grab the child. And they see that the child has one of these devices (imagining that it is obvious as to what it is) So the plan now becomes molestation and murder, because they freak thinking the police are going to show up.

I may not have worded that well, so my apologies if it isn't clear. But I see reasons to make the device as inobtrusive as possible, and they don't have anything to do with getting your child to wear it.

Selena,
As I read your comments, I tend to agree with you, but NOTHING is going to be 100% effective, well, unless you stay with your kids 100% of the time.
The other device on the market has 3 buttons you can push with different functions, one being if you hold down the outter 2 buttons for 3 seconds it will dial 911 automatically.
That sounds like a great idea, with the exception that your going to have kids doing it just to screw around and false 911 calls will escalate tremendously and it won't work in rural areas.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by sextoyking

If it was me Voodo I wouldn't use the "holloway" name.... Sure there is Amber alert, etc but I would do my own name, etc and mabey you could get someone like her or someone with a CLOSED case for promo, but even then a bit tacky.

I'm all for any kind of marketing but in her case the matter isn't even over, nor has the girl or her body been found...

Also, I would stay away from "big brother" if it was me.... there is bad stigmas / associations to that term??

Big Brother is gone.

As for the name, We have several names for the device of our own, but still going to wait and see what Beth says. As for the name, I was thinking of a one that people would associate child safety with more than the tact of it.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

This has potential that you've only begun to tap.
The news has too many alerts on elderly people wandering off here. (San Diego is a great place to retire for a lot of Navy people.)
I'd certainly get one for my pets. Especially if they were available when we made the cross country trip out here.
It would also be great for certain health problems. Diabetics can reach a state where their blood sugar is so low their behavior can be mistaken for drunkeness or even psychosis. The next stage is a diabetic coma. The one after that is death.

Morgan, I arrested a gentelman not long ago because when I pulled him over, he smelled like a brewery. After administrating the States Test (breathalizer) it showed him to be 00 or gooseggs as we call it. It wasnt until that time that the guy told me he was diabetic. Since then, I ask every drunk, are you diabetic? If they answer yes THEN I ask if they have been drinking. We can still arrest, but if they dont blow high enough LOL we have to cut them loose.

[selena]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Selena,
As I read your comments, I tend to agree with you, but NOTHING is going to be 100% effective, well, unless you stay with your kids 100% of the time.
The other device on the market has 3 buttons you can push with different functions, one being if you hold down the outter 2 buttons for 3 seconds it will dial 911 automatically.
That sounds like a great idea, with the exception that your going to have kids doing it just to screw around and false 911 calls will escalate tremendously and it won't work in rural areas.

Oh, I think it is a great idea. I hope that didn't get lost in the shuffle of what else I had to say. I just think the less obvious the device is the better.

I'd sign up to promo it mainstream, if there were an affiliate program. Not to mention would consider it for the munchkin.

[wig]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Wow, Wig, nice to hear from you.
The device its self is estimated to cost the end user $100.00 but not sure yet. As for monthly recurring, This is a guesstimate, but if you choose 40 locates a month it will be around $20.00/month. 60 locates for 30 and 80 for 40.00/month with a small fee if you go over the number of locates in a month so it will be a monthly recurring plan.
When we get setup, I will be in contact with you.

that's a cool model. good luck with it. looks like it has a lot of potential.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by selena

Oh, I think it is a great idea. I hope that didn't get lost in the shuffle of what else I had to say. I just think the less obvious the device is the better.

I'd sign up to promo it mainstream, if there were an affiliate program. Not to mention would consider it for the munchkin.

Im here to accept, listen, and reply to any comments. I appreciate any and all comments, good, bad or ugly.

[voodooman]

BTW, if all goes well, the device will be FREE with a service contract.

[Peaches]

Could also be a market for following around husbands: "Here dear, I bought you a new watch!"

[voodooman]

Sarettah,

I just recieved a comment from a lady, here is what it said. You might have
been on to something.

Kirk and Eric,

I am excited about your bracelet. My mother in law has Alzheimers disease and as the disease progresses, patients tend to wander out of their homes and they get lost. She is now in a home so she would probably not need one anymore, but I can see that this device may have kept her in her own home a little longer. I wonder if you could make a model that resembles a piece of jewelry such as a watch or gold bracelet. She wears a watch all the time, so it would not be an unusual change for her.

Good luck in your new business venture!

Carol

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Sarettah,

I just recieved a comment from a lady, here is what it said. You might have
been on to something.

Of course........ http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=sarettah&type=1

Googlism for: sarettah

sarettah is absolutely right

[MorganGrayson]

voodooman...the more I think about this idea, the better it gets in my mind.

I do have a "marketing" suggestion, though. With small children, it's "put this on because I said so." Older kids, like teenagers, will open a dialogue, and it will go the way all of those dialogues go. "You don't trust me." *sigh* Been there, done that. "*You,* I trust. It's the other idiots out in the world I don't trust...and frankly, kid, you only have to be wrong *once* and it's game over." I'm still dealing with it. Every time my kids drive down to vist me, my heart's in my throat until they pull into the drive way. I get "she's/I'm a good driver, Mom." I *know* that. I'm worried about the million or so other asshole Californians out there.

You might want to consider offering a plan that has *no* checks on it at all. In other words, this bracelet can not be used for "spying on me!" The parents pay for a "one check" only, for when the child is "missing." (Breaks curfew, whatever.) Once that is used, they have to pay again to activate the feature. I realize this is lumpy and doesn't take into consideration rebills, but it's just the shell of an idea, something to assist parents in getting the thing on teenagers who jump immediately to the "spying on me, you don't trust me, yadda yadda" thing.

Another thing you might consider - and this is very, very delicate because it can be taken the wrong way - is getting in with some of the Missing Children people and dedicating part of your site to the stats and photographs of missing kids. You're not profiting from these tragedies, although the accusation can and will be made by somebody, you're trying to prevent the list from getting any longer.

Some opinions from law enforcement officials would be good, too.

[voodooman]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

voodooman...the more I think about this idea, the better it gets in my mind.

I do have a "marketing" suggestion, though. With small children, it's "put this on because I said so." Older kids, like teenagers, will open a dialogue, and it will go the way all of those dialogues go. "You don't trust me." *sigh* Been there, done that. "*You,* I trust. It's the other idiots out in the world I don't trust...and frankly, kid, you only have to be wrong *once* and it's game over." I'm still dealing with it. Every time my kids drive down to vist me, my heart's in my throat until they pull into the drive way. I get "she's/I'm a good driver, Mom." I *know* that. I'm worried about the million or so other asshole Californians out there.

You might want to consider offering a plan that has *no* checks on it at all. In other words, this bracelet can not be used for "spying on me!" The parents pay for a "one check" only, for when the child is "missing." (Breaks curfew, whatever.) Once that is used, they have to pay again to activate the feature. I realize this is lumpy and doesn't take into consideration rebills, but it's just the shell of an idea, something to assist parents in getting the thing on teenagers who jump immediately to the "spying on me, you don't trust me, yadda yadda" thing.

Another thing you might consider - and this is very, very delicate because it can be taken the wrong way - is getting in with some of the Missing Children people and dedicating part of your site to the stats and photographs of missing kids. You're not profiting from these tragedies, although the accusation can and will be made by somebody, you're trying to prevent the list from getting any longer.

Some opinions from law enforcement officials would be good, too.

Morgan,
I really appreciate your input, I have plenty of opinions already from Law Enforcement, being in Law Enforcement, that was the easy task.
As I mentioned before, although the money made off of this is going to be much greater than I ever imagined, Im still doing this to HELP prevent the unthinkable, and when it works just one time, that will be reward enough for me. Along those same lines, I think having the one time access would be easy to do as well.
As for the site for missing and exploited children? They left a really bad taste in my mouth. I have called them two times, the first time to ask if they would be interested in our company to which the lady replied, I will have someone call you back. They never called so I phoned them again, I told the lady that nobody ever called me back and she said, "sorry, we are far to busy to deal with anything like that". That was about a month ago so....
Just didnt sit well with me at all. Not to say I wont give up on them totally, but for now I have.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by voodooman

Morgan,
I really appreciate your input, I have plenty of opinions already from Law Enforcement, being in Law Enforcement, that was the easy task.
As I mentioned before, although the money made off of this is going to be much greater than I ever imagined, Im still doing this to HELP prevent the unthinkable, and when it works just one time, that will be reward enough for me. Along those same lines, I think having the one time access would be easy to do as well.
As for the site for missing and exploited children? They left a really bad taste in my mouth. I have called them two times, the first time to ask if they would be interested in our company to which the lady replied, I will have someone call you back. They never called so I phoned them again, I told the lady that nobody ever called me back and she said, "sorry, we are far to busy to deal with anything like that". That was about a month ago so....
Just didnt sit well with me at all. Not to say I wont give up on them totally, but for now I have.

I don't like criticizing them, but perhaps more effort put into prevention would free up some time in dealing with trying to find the missing.

[voodooman]

Two more days until our meeting with the big boys and when we find
out the fate of our company.

BTW, I have a message board setup at http://jrjco.com/phpBB2/
if you have any questions. It is not quite as nice as Oprano, but
I am still learning about BBS.
At the moment, you do not have to register, but there will be a moderator
while Im gone and you will have to register later.

If you want to be on the Test list email me at kirk at jrjco dot com
and I will put you down. This is limited to 50 people around the world
though as I have 1000 people in my area right now.
Now, this is pending on if we sale our company or not but I need to move
on getting a test date setup if we do not. I'm looking at Mid December
and will know more on Friday.